COVID's aftermath.

[berg80]

He could smell the swamp

The vile odor he was smelling came from himself.

The report exhaustively outlines numerous ways in which Trump avoided listening to government authorities as they proposed strategies for dealing with the pandemic. It also details an administration mired in political bickering, which hamstrung officials at every phase of their response. The report prompted epidemiologist Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to respond that “obviously” lives could have been saved if the government had taken the warnings seriously.

The report paints a portrait of Trump as being swayed by things like petty politics, one-upmanship, advice from his uninformed business associates, and his annoyance at inconsequential conspiracy theories, rather than the strenuous and sustained advice of experts — most of which he ignored for weeks. The delay resulted in a lack of effective quarantining measures, a dearth of testing centers and equipment, a failure to reallocate existing resources, and widespread confusion about how seriously the public should be taking the disease.

 

[berg80]

"It's just one person, coming from China. We have it under control".

1/22/2020....whoops.

Exactly. Denial and misplaced priorities were the central themes of the Trump admin's response.

Larry Kudlow says US has contained the coronavirus and the economy is holding up nicely​

Larry Kudlow says US has contained the coronavirus and the economy is holding up nicely

National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow tried on Tuesday to assuage concerns over the cornavirus and its impact on the U.S. economy.

www.cnbc.com

 

[berg80]

He could smell the swamp that included the CDC and Fauci and frankly was exasperated as these were the so-called experts. Joe said that on day one Covid would be over. We know how that went and is ongoing. Joe the sadistic.

“We have contained this. I won’t say [it’s] airtight, but it’s pretty close to airtight,” Kudlow told CNBC’s Kelly Evans on “The Exchange.” He added that, while the outbreak is a “human tragedy,” it will likely not be an “economic tragedy.”

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

He could smell the swamp that included the CDC and Fauci and frankly was exasperated as these were the so-called experts. Joe said that on day one Covid would be over. We know how that went and is ongoing. Joe the sadistic.

Except that Trump IS the swamp. He helped build it and fill it with all sorts of swampy creatures that he reaped direct benefits from.
Trump is the swamp incarnate. Why would you destroy something you yourself helped create?....Answer....you don't. You keep the gravy train rolling.

 

[berg80]

Except that Trump IS the swamp. He helped build it and fill it with all sorts of swampy creatures that he reaped direct benefits from.
Trump is the swamp incarnate. Why would you destroy something you yourself helped create?....Answer....you don't. You keep the gravy train rolling.

One needs to look no further than the documented record of corruption during the Trump admin for evidence of that. Everything from his violations of the Emoluments Clause, his attempt to get the G-7 conference held at Doral, and topped off by Jared getting $2B from the Saudis.

 

[Rigby5]

It is well known scientific fact that if an epidemic is not fatal enough for full quarantine with contract tracing, then you get the least number of deaths if you accelerate infection among those least likely to die.

This is what General Washington did with the Continental Army for smallpox, in 1777.

Social distancing and wearing masks is NOT at all appropriate.
That just SLOWS down the infection rate, which essentially conserves easy hosts and prevents any epidemic from ending.

What we did by "flattening the curve", was to make it last 3 years instead of just 3 months like it could have been over in.
We increased the death toll by over a factor of 10.

Epidemics end when herd immunity is achieved.
The only to do that is by spreading recovery immunity as quickly as possible.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump was not a politician. He relied on those who were supposed to be experienced in the fields needed for a virus. Government style. Little did he know they were a bunch of Joe's.

No he didn't. He refused to do what they wanted because he didn't want to scare people. The White House changed CDC advisories and memos because they didn't want a panic.

Trump fired the head of the CDC in 2019 because she wasn't sufficiently "loyal", and put that idiot Redfield in charge of the CDC. He's the fool who botched the testing roll out.

The British Press said that the USA had 40% more deaths than they would have if Trump wasn't so incompetent. I think they're being kind. Canada had 1/3 of the deaths and disease that you had.

With 3% of the World's population, you've had 16% of the deaths. That's not just failure, it's failure on a massive scale.

 

[Dragonlady]

It is well known scientific fact that if an epidemic is not fatal enough for full quarantine with contract tracing, then you get the least number of deaths if you accelerate infection among those least likely to die.

This is what General Washington did with the Continental Army for smallpox, in 1777.

Social distancing and wearing masks is NOT at all appropriate.
That just SLOWS down the infection rate, which essentially conserves easy hosts and prevents any epidemic from ending.

What we did by "flattening the curve", was to make it last 3 years instead of just 3 months like it could have been over in.
We increased the death toll by over a factor of 10.

Epidemics end when herd immunity is achieved.
The only to do that is by spreading recovery immunity as quickly as possible.

It is NOT any kind of scientific fact, you idiot!!!

This isn't 1776 and we're no longer bleeding people when they're ill.

You never FLATTENED THE CURVE. As soon as there was a bit of a lull in the infections, you immediately reopened and you were off and running again.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Covid response was left up to the states. Libs favored full shutdowns, except for the elite if course, some didn't. Trying to hang it all on Trrrruuuummmp is to lie.

 

[Oddball]

Covid response was left up to the states. Libs favored full shutdowns, except for the elite if course, some didn't. Trying to hang it all on Trrrruuuummmp is to lie.

Fortunately, the WI Supreme Court was controlled by sane people at the time, and told our commie moonbat Governor to pound sand viz. his lockdown edict.

The bars and restaurants in Fargo, Superior, La Crosse, and Hudson never had it so good.

 

[Rigby5]

No he didn't. He refused to do what they wanted because he didn't want to scare people. The White House changed CDC advisories and memos because they didn't want a panic.

Trump fired the head of the CDC in 2019 because she wasn't sufficiently "loyal", and put that idiot Redfield in charge of the CDC. He's the fool who botched the testing roll out.

The British Press said that the USA had 40% more deaths than they would have if Trump wasn't so incompetent. I think they're being kind. Canada had 1/3 of the deaths and disease that you had.

With 3% of the World's population, you've had 16% of the deaths. That's not just failure, it's failure on a massive scale.

Wrong.
The countries with the lowest covid death % are those that did the least.
Countries in Africa for example, that did nothing, had the lowest death rate.
The countries that tried to "flatten the curve" the most, like the US and England, had the highest death rates.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Covid response was left up to the states. Libs favored full shutdowns, except for the elite if course, some didn't. Trying to hang it all on Trrrruuuummmp is to lie.

COVID response starts at the federal level and then coordinates with the states. That means it starts (or was supposed to) with the man at the top. But the man at the top, 1) Didn't care. 2) Wasn't competent enough to respond and put the correct people on the path to action.

So the governors (both Republican and Democrat), mayors, and business leaders had to step in to prevent an unmitigated disaster.
He blew the response and the voters showed him door in November.

 

[Manonthestreet]

COVID response starts at the federal level and then coordinates with the states. That means it starts (or was supposed to) with the man at the top. But the man at the top, 1) Didn't care. 2) Wasn't competent enough to respond and put the correct people on the path to action.

So the governors (both Republican and Democrat), mayors, and business leaders had to step in to prevent an unmitigated disaster.
He blew the response and the voters showed him door in November.

Yeah like New York which sent COVID patients into nursing homes....not a disaster at all nnnoooo

 

[Manonthestreet]

Libs loved playing police state and flouting their own guidelines like Newsome

 

[j-mac]

How a Pandemic Malaise Is Shaping American Politics

Public confidence in institutions — the presidency, public schools, the criminal justice system, the news media, Congress — slumped in surveys in the aftermath of the pandemic and has yet to recover. The pandemic hardened voter distrust in government, a sentiment Mr. Trump and his allies are using to their advantage. Fears of political violence, even civil war, are at record highs, and rankings of the nation’s happiness at record lows. And views of the nation’s economy and confidence in the future remain bleak, even as the country has defied expectations of a recession.

“The pandemic pulled the rug from people — you were never quite as secure as you were,” Gov. Kathy Hochul of New York, a Democrat, said in an interview. “We’re starting to get our grounding back. But I think it’s just hard for people to feel good again.”

High rates of office vacancies have crippled urban downtowns, adding to the sense that the country has yet to recover fully. Depression and anxiety rates remain stubbornly high, particularly among young adults. Students remain behind in math and reading, part of the continued fallout from school closures. And even positive news has been met with skepticism: F.B.I. data released this month confirmed that crime declined significantly in 2023, though polling conducted at the end of last year has shown that voters believe otherwise.

Elected officials, strategists, historians and sociologists say the lasting effects of the pandemic are visible today in the debates over inflation, education, public health, college debt, crime and trust in American democracy itself. The lingering trauma from that time, they said, is contributing to a sense of national malaise that voters express in polling and focus groups — a kind of pandemic hangover that appears to be hurting Mr. Biden and helping Mr. Trump in their presidential rematch.
How a Pandemic Malaise Is Shaping American Politics

It disrupted every aspect of life in profound ways. So how could it not remain in our collective consciousness? The irony being Trump gaining advantage from the "pandemic hangover" after his admin botched the response to it. Vanity caused his reluctance to act aggressively in its initial stages. Apathy prevented a coordinated distribution plan for the vaccine as his focus turned to insurrection in the last months of his presidency.

Biden vents frustration with Trump on transition

President-elect Joe Biden on Monday vented frustration with President Trump for obstructing the transition process, saying that “more people may die” from the coronavirus because the incoming administration has not been included in the plans to distribute a vaccine.

Speaking from near his home in Delaware, Biden warned that the nation faces a “dark winter” from a resurgence in coronavirus cases. He called on Congress to take up a House-passed stimulus bill to provide economic relief to those who are struggling amid the slowdown.

And Biden ripped the Trump administration, which has so far declined to acknowledge Biden’s victory and has taken steps to keep the president-elect locked out of the customary transition process.

Biden said Trump’s transition delays would lead directly to more coronavirus deaths, as the incoming and outgoing administrations have no plans to coordinate their vaccine distribution efforts.

“More people may die if we don’t coordinate,” Biden said.
Biden vents frustration with Trump on transition

You suck at creating narratives....What you propose here is laughably untrue.

 

[berg80]

It is well known scientific fact that if an epidemic is not fatal enough for full quarantine with contract tracing, then you get the least number of deaths if you accelerate infection among those least likely to die.

This is what General Washington did with the Continental Army for smallpox, in 1777.

Social distancing and wearing masks is NOT at all appropriate.
That just SLOWS down the infection rate, which essentially conserves easy hosts and prevents any epidemic from ending.

What we did by "flattening the curve", was to make it last 3 years instead of just 3 months like it could have been over in.
We increased the death toll by over a factor of 10.

Epidemics end when herd immunity is achieved.
The only to do that is by spreading recovery immunity as quickly as possible.

I did not realize that kind of quackery still existed.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Yeah like New York which sent COVID patients into nursing homes....not a disaster at all nnnoooo

Given the rules that were in place at both the federal and state level about how to handle such cases in the event of a pandemic like situation...what is it you'd have happen to them? Leave them out into the streets? Or just skip to the part where you put the sheet over their head and tag on their toe while they're still breathing?

 

[Rigby5]

It is NOT any kind of scientific fact, you idiot!!!

This isn't 1776 and we're no longer bleeding people when they're ill.

You never FLATTENED THE CURVE. As soon as there was a bit of a lull in the infections, you immediately reopened and you were off and running again.

Wrong.
General Washington was correct, and prevented what would otherwise have been a huge smallpox epidemic.
The scientific term for what Washington did is variolation. The doctors picked the least fatal strain to deliberately infect people with, to result in the lowest possible death rate.
Variolation is accepted as the best alternative is one does not yet have a vaccine.
{...
Variolation was the method of inoculation first used to immunize individuals against smallpox (Variola) with material taken from a patient or a recently variolated individual, in the hope that a mild, but protective, infection would result. Only 1–2% of those variolated died from the intentional infection compared to 30% who contracted smallpox naturally.[1] Variolation is no longer used today. It was replaced by the smallpox vaccine, a safer alternative. This in turn led to the development of the many vaccines now available against other diseases.
...}

The reality is that we should never have closed anything but the elderly facilities, and we should never have worn masks.

 

[berg80]

You suck at creating narratives....What you propose here is laughably untrue.

You suck at not bloviating. Too embarrassed to back up your assertion?

 

[j-mac]

You suck at not bloviating. Too embarrassed to back up your assertion?

My 'back up' is what normal Americans see on a daily basis with their own eyes...