Covid-19 The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

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The Good:

You're think nothing good can come out of this, but think again. Remember your Mon saying, now wash your hands before coming to the table, cover your mouth when you cough, and keep your distance from those sick kids at school. And you said ok and ran some water over your hand before you ate, cough into your elbow or handkerchief when someone was watching, and paid absolutely no attention to avoiding your sick friends. Today tens of millions are now following Mom's advice. Healthcare officials believe these common sense disease avoidance measures will stick with many millions of people long after the pandemic is over. That can mean a healthier nation and less healthcare costs.

Today, I noticed the little Italian restaurant in our neighborhood closed for good and the folks at my gym said they don't think they're going to be able to make it with the Covid-19 restrictions. A number of major retailers have announced that many of their stores will not be reopening. This is of course bad news for owners and employees but over the long haul, it's actually good for the economy to shakeout weak and marginal businesses. Employees of these businesses who should have left long ago for better jobs held on, but will now be forced to find better jobs and most do.

Lastly, the country will emergence out of this epidermic much better prepared to deal with the next epidemic and make no mistake there will be another one. Many of the changes being made in hospitals and local and state health departments to deal with the epidemic, will remain. At the federal level, stockpiles of essential supplies are not likely to be allowed to go un-replenished. Businesses and governments will have plans to deal with the next epidemic using their experience gained with Covid-19. And no president in the future, is going to be downplaying a growing pandemic.

The Bad:

The bad is pretty obvious. A 2nd wave of the virus is very likely as the number of new cases and deaths increase with the opening of the economy and the protests. University of Washington is now predicting the second wave should hit about the middle of September when the country is nearly fully open and the seasonality of the virus begins to kick in.

The vaccine trials that Trump has been touting almost daily will not be available to the public in January. If all goes well, which it usually doesn't during drug trials, it may be available by the end of the 1st quarter. However even with strong goverment pressure and unlimited federal dollars, manufacturing, delivery, and the logistics of vaccinating hundreds of millions of people make it very unlikely that we will have enough immunity from the vaccine to stop the spread of the virus till at least the end of next year. So if we keep the cases down to the current levels of about 1,000 deaths a day which means no 2nd wave in the fall and no further increases in infection rate, we will be looking at 600,000 to 750,000 dead in the US due to Covid19 by the end of next year.

The Ugly:

If there is a second wave which now seems very likely, many states will attempt to start shutting business doors and clamping down on most of the activities that we are just starting to enjoy again. The BLM protests will be small potatoes compared the protests from people who just started to recover financially only to see their livelihood jerked away. For states that haven't gone to mail in ballots or made some other provisions, the election will be a chaotic. Both republicans and democrats will be blaming the opposition for the response to covid-19, the protests, and rioting. I expect this will be one of dirtiest and most violent election season in our history.
 
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Very informative....I was under the assumption that a second wave would be weaker.....which would lessen its effects on the nation and the election....
 
Very informative....I was under the assumption that a second wave would be weaker.....which would lessen its effects on the nation and the election....
Historically, the 2nd wave is much worse because there are so many more people carrying the virus when the second wave starts than when the 1st wave started. By early March there were few carriers of the virus compared to day, maybe only a couple of hundred. Today there are thousand, maybe hundreds of thousands. Working in our favor is we know how to control the virus. We just have to do it. If we practice social distancing and wear masks, and get tested on first sign of sickness, the second wave may be so minor as not to be even noticeable. However, from what we are seeing today, the country seems to be going in the opposite direction and early data of new cases in areas that have loosen restrictions seem to be confirming a second wave is on it's way. We will know for sure in a couple of months.
 
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The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.
 
Wave? Spike? What will be the next hyperbole? People testing positive for exposure to the virus is directly related to the number of tests performed and is not a measure of sickness, hospitalization or death. Wishful thinking?
 
Wave? Spike? What will be the next hyperbole? People testing positive for exposure to the virus is directly related to the number of tests performed and is not a measure of sickness, hospitalization or death. Wishful thinking?
Trump sees the increasing number cases of covid 19 in a number of states hurting his re-election. If he could stop testing all together, he would do so because there would be no data to show the presence of virus. Barring that he wants you to believe that the spikes in new cases is due entirely to more testing.

More testing does, in fact, turn up more cases. However, If more testing was the entire reason for the rise in cases, you’d expect the share of positive tests to go down, or, at the very least, remain steady. Instead, that figure is rising in a number of states. Nowhere is this more apparent than in Arizona, Texas and Florida, where you can see a clear uptick in the percentage of tests that come back positive, even as the total number of tests grows.

 
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Wave? Spike? What will be the next hyperbole? People testing positive for exposure to the virus is directly related to the number of tests performed and is not a measure of sickness, hospitalization or death. Wishful thinking?
Trump sees the increasing number cases of covid 19 in a number of states hurting his re-election. If he could stop testing all together, he would do so because there would be no data to show the presence of virus. Barring that he wants you to believe that the spikes in new cases is due entirely to more testing.

More testing does, in fact, turn up more cases. However, If more testing was the entire reason for the rise in cases, you’d expect the share of positive tests to go down, or, at the very least, remain steady. Instead, that figure is rising in a number of states. Nowhere is this more apparent than in Arizona, Texas and Florida, where you can see a clear uptick in the percentage of tests that come back positive, even as the total number of tests grows.


LOL Time cherry-picks three states to show that not all of their positive results were due to increased testing. What about the other 47 states? And how has that affected sickness, hospitalization or death? Less than 10% will become seriously sick, 1% will require hospitalization and .1% will die from this virus. How does that compare with your bubonic plague nightmares?
 
Wave? Spike? What will be the next hyperbole? People testing positive for exposure to the virus is directly related to the number of tests performed and is not a measure of sickness, hospitalization or death. Wishful thinking?
Trump sees the increasing number cases of covid 19 in a number of states hurting his re-election. If he could stop testing all together, he would do so because there would be no data to show the presence of virus. Barring that he wants you to believe that the spikes in new cases is due entirely to more testing.

More testing does, in fact, turn up more cases. However, If more testing was the entire reason for the rise in cases, you’d expect the share of positive tests to go down, or, at the very least, remain steady. Instead, that figure is rising in a number of states. Nowhere is this more apparent than in Arizona, Texas and Florida, where you can see a clear uptick in the percentage of tests that come back positive, even as the total number of tests grows.


LOL Time cherry-picks three states to show that not all of their positive results were due to increased testing. What about the other 47 states? And how has that affected sickness, hospitalization or death? Less than 10% will become seriously sick, 1% will require hospitalization and .1% will die from this virus. How does that compare with your bubonic plague nightmares?
As I have said, increasing testing does turn up more cases but when you're increasing testing and getting higher percentage of positives, that indicates the number of people with the virus is increasing. That might be a bit difficult to understand. However, hospitalizations due to covid up in 7 states compared to 3 two weeks ago should be sounding an alarm bell that Trump can not ignore, but it will be because his only interest is winning the election. And Trump sees increases in the number of cases as a danger to re-election and the simplest solution is eliminate testing as much as possible. He doesn't seem to realize or care that testing is a key to reducing the spread of the virus and treatment. I suppose he considers additional deaths are just collateral damage in winning an election.
 
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More bad:

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The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.

Except it hasn't been.

Nothing in the data supports your bullshit.
 
As has been shown repeatedly, there isn't the target rich environment for the virus in terms of people to kill.

We let it into nursing homes to the point where 40% of deaths were from long term care facilities. We should have focused on the elderly, but didn't.

Many more (30%) were people who had other health conditions.

That isn't happening again.
 
So what is your point?
a. The US does more testing;
b. The US has a lower death rate;
c. The Virus poses very little threat to the general population; or
d. All of the above.
The point is that the rest of the world has been effective in lowering rates of spread. Not Trump’s America, though. His incompetence has our rate going through the roof.

Florida just reported 9,000 new cases in one day.
 
The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.

Except it hasn't been.

Nothing in the data supports your bullshit.
60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases and hospitalization rates of coronovirus is up in 16 states. However, President Trump has a plan to reduce the spread of the virus by cutting funding for testing. It's a simple but elegant solution no testing no new cases. Had he stopped the CDC distribution of tests kits back in March, the virus would have wiped out, insuring his re-election.
 
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So what is your point?
a. The US does more testing;
b. The US has a lower death rate;
c. The Virus poses very little threat to the general population; or
d. All of the above.
The point is that the rest of the world has been effective in lowering rates of spread. Not Trump’s America, though. His incompetence has our rate going through the roof.

Florida just reported 9,000 new cases in one day.

Mexico and Brazil (along with India) are not the rest of the world ?
 
The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.

Except it hasn't been.

Nothing in the data supports your bullshit.
60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases and hospitalization rates of coronovirus up in 16 states. However, President Trump has a plan to reduce the spread of the virus by cutting funding for testing.

I think he's got a plan to get the earth's orbit to reverse too.

When the death rates really start to turn, I'll be more concerned.

Nothing I've read says we are dealing with the same situation we had last Spring in terms of those who are getting sick.
 
The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.

Except it hasn't been.

Nothing in the data supports your bullshit.
60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases and hospitalization rates of coronovirus up in 16 states. However, President Trump has a plan to reduce the spread of the virus by cutting funding for testing.

I think he's got a plan to get the earth's orbit to reverse too.

When the death rates really start to turn, I'll be more concerned.

Nothing I've read says we are dealing with the same situation we had last Spring in terms of those who are getting sick.
It's too early for that as it was last February. With increasing hospitalizations and testing showing increasing rates of positive cases it's going to get worse, a lot worse, unless the governors backoff on opening up the economy, which seems unlikely. Percentage of positive cases of those tested have risen from their low of 4.4% on June 9th steadily to 6.7% on June 24th. It was hoped that the continued practicing of social distancing, mask wearing and other precautions would steam the increase in infection rate but that is proving to be wrong.
 
Don't you understand that the "infection rate" means nothing, other than that exposure to the general population is more widespread than previously believed? As a result, the death rate is plummeting. Good news, actually.
 
The bad and the ugly is that when there is a second wave, many governors will not reintroduce the health and safety measures, fearful of political backlash this November, where the second wave will even be more deadly.

Texas governor has now put face masks up to the cities and to get around someone screaming "It's against my rights" the mandates are all on the businesses have to require their employees and customers to wear masks or face up to a $1000 fine per violation. This puts it on the businesses who generally do not enjoy the protections under the 1st amendment.
 

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