Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[DennisPTate]

After the 1: 06: 00 mark in the following video Rabbi Alon Anava gives a story about his family. His father was born in Lebanon and his father's father had been born in Syria. About a hundred plus years ago it was rather common for Jewish girls to be abducted in Islamic nations, and they would never be seen again. His great grandfather's brother had a daughter who was abducted. Years later because his family were merchants a cousin saw this woman, in Jordan and this girl was grown up and by then was married with children.

Rabbi Alon Anava's point is that there are Jews all over the world who don't even know that they are Jewish. He talks about a story from the town in Israel, where he lives about a synagogue nearby where a man showed up who had been from a Palestinian city. The Rabbi was surprised to find out that a Palestinian was in the synagogue and this man told him a story. He told him that he had grown up being taught that Jews were monsters and they would do this and that and that we should kill them but, when he grew up, he decided to visit Israel to see these "monsters." The Israelis that he met he really liked them and then he decided that that was it he was going to leave the refugee camp and go and live with the Jews. He went back to his home and he told his mother his intentions and his mother told him that he was actually Jewish and his family had moved there about fifty years ago. She even gave him a photograph of an ancestor who was buried in a Jewish cemetery in Israel but she told her son not to tell anybody in the refugee camp, or they would be killed.

Are we at the end of days??? What does the Zohar say about it! - Rabbi Alon Anava​

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There is a sentence in the Roman Catholic Bible that was "borrowed" from Jews and it gives a prediction that in our time period that somehow the Lost Tribes of Israel would be restored somehow? I believe that a big part of this will be miraculous but it will also happen so gradually that it may appear to be a natural process.

Mr. Tsvi Misinai has estimated that up to half of the Palestinian people actually know that they have Jewish blood in their veins but the atmosphere is such that they cannot openly talk about this or they would be killed.

I believe that a shift is coming where the Lost Tribes of Israel will be restored and all of us will be amazed. The very fact that the little nation of Israel is already getting close to her seventy eighth birthday is actually pretty amazing if we really think about it.

Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. 7 Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. 8 Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. 9 Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. 10 Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob."

[Ecclesiasticus 48]

Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

Catholic Bible Study Online, Douay-Rheims Version. Complete text, index, search, Bible verse, bible story, scripture, book, prophesy, christian ...

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[Eman623]

There's no Jews in my family tree going back at least 5 or 6 generations.

There's an old family legend about one of my ancestors in Holland marrying a Jewish girl and needing to emigrate to the USA because of it, but there's nothing to it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Judaism is more than lineage. If G-d calls you home you will answer the call.

 

[Mack The Finger]

I told you: my mom was adopted and she found her family in her 80's.

Her father was a Soviet Jew.

On my DNA profile it said I had 2% Afro in me.

When I got another test it was gone.

 

[GLASNOST]

Could you be Jewish and not even know it?​

What is "being Jewish"? Is that like Americans "being Italian"?

 

[DennisPTate]

What is "being Jewish"? Is that like Americans "being Italian"?

Exactly!

I do believe that an extremely high percentage of Italian Americans are partly or very significantly genetically "Jewish" and they do not even know it.

There is a secondary angle on this whole topic that I became aware of in the early 1970's when I was a teenager. Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong wrote a book entitled "The United States and Britain in Prophecy." In this book he presented parts of the case that the USA and Britain's rise to power, wealth and military super power status was predicted in the Book of Genesis with the predictions about to two sons of Joseph - Yosef, named Ephrayim and Menasseh.

Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Mr. Yair Davidiy writes up this topic at a level that is far beyond what Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong was able to do.

This article will give you a good idea about what Mr. Yair Davidiy is asserting.

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]MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH​

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by Yair Davidiy​

The Two Messiahs​ <<Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them.... <<A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles>>. The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15​ The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In Jewish tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).​ The Two Messiahs​

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Since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the USA has often helped protect the State of Israel from destruction. The USA has not however really helped Israel expand her borders. On the contrary the USA has often forced Israel to give up territories it had liberated and to constrict her borders, but maybe that will change. Maybe the USA and Britain will help Israel expand her borders in the future as the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is supposed to do. Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]

The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment:

[Malachi 4:5] BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: [Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE. [Mr. Yair Davidiy]

Messiah son of Joseph

 

[Carl in Michigan]

After the 1: 06: 00 mark in the following video Rabbi Alon Anava gives a story about his family. His father was born in Lebanon and his father's father had been born in Syria. About a hundred plus years ago it was rather common for Jewish girls to be abducted in Islamic nations, and they would never be seen again. His great grandfather's brother had a daughter who was abducted. Years later because his family were merchants a cousin saw this woman, in Jordan and this girl was grown up and by then was married with children.

Rabbi Alon Anava's point is that there are Jews all over the world who don't even know that they are Jewish. He talks about a story from the town in Israel, where he lives about a synagogue nearby where a man showed up who had been from a Palestinian city. The Rabbi was surprised to find out that a Palestinian was in the synagogue and this man told him a story. He told him that he had grown up being taught that Jews were monsters and they would do this and that and that we should kill them but, when he grew up, he decided to visit Israel to see these "monsters." The Israelis that he met he really liked them and then he decided that that was it he was going to leave the refugee camp and go and live with the Jews. He went back to his home and he told his mother his intentions and his mother told him that he was actually Jewish and his family had moved there about fifty years ago. She even gave him a photograph of an ancestor who was buried in a Jewish cemetery in Israel but she told her son not to tell anybody in the refugee camp, or they would be killed.

Are we at the end of days??? What does the Zohar say about it! - Rabbi Alon Anava​

There is a sentence in the Roman Catholic Bible that was "borrowed" from Jews and it gives a prediction that in our time period that somehow the Lost Tribes of Israel would be restored somehow? I believe that a big part of this will be miraculous but it will also happen so gradually that it may appear to be a natural process.

Mr. Tsvi Misinai has estimated that up to half of the Palestinian people actually know that they have Jewish blood in their veins but the atmosphere is such that they cannot openly talk about this or they would be killed.

I believe that a shift is coming where the Lost Tribes of Israel will be restored and all of us will be amazed. The very fact that the little nation of Israel is already getting close to her seventy eighth birthday is actually pretty amazing if we really think about it.

The Lost Tribes are not Jewish. The Jews have retained their identity

 

[DennisPTate]

The Lost Tribes are not Jewish. The Jews have retained their identity

Am I incorrect to have the belief that by abandoning the seventh day Sabbath as well as the annual Jewish High Sabbath, this eventually led to the lost ten tribes of Israel losing their identity as being Jewish?

On that note, what do you think of the prediction in the Roman Catholic Bible that the Lost Tribes of Israel are scheduled to be "restored" in the near future, [I believe that this happens significantly before the literal fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen].

Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. 7 Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. 8 Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. 9 Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. 10 Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob."
[Ecclesiasticus 48]

Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

Catholic Bible Study Online, Douay-Rheims Version. Complete text, index, search, Bible verse, bible story, scripture, book, prophesy, christian ...

www.drbo.org

 

[GLASNOST]

Could you be Jewish and not even know it?​

Is this a serious question? Americans (in particular) don't seem to know what being Jewish or Christian or Muslim or American or Italian or Irish or African or ....... anything really is. So, your question can easily be answered correctly if you give us your definition.

 

[DennisPTate]

Is this a serious question? Americans (in particular) don't seem to know what being Jewish or Christian or Muslim or American or Italian or Irish or African or ....... anything really is. So, your question can easily be answered correctly if you give us your definition.

Yes, this is a truly serious question and the near death experience of Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera jumps to mind. In 1967 she has one of those near death experiences. She meets Jesus and He tells her that she is actually Jewish and that He wants her to move to Israel. [This surprised her because she had been raised Roman Catholic and did not know about her being a part of the Sephardic Jewish Community]. She does male Aliyah to Israel, and her near death experience account is exceptionally interesting for so many reasons.

DIVINE TRUTHS REVEALED: A Glimpse Behind the Veil of the Material World eBook : Pereira, Ariela Solsol: Amazon.ca: Kindle Store

DIVINE TRUTHS REVEALED: A Glimpse Behind the Veil of the Material World eBook : Pereira, Ariela Solsol: Amazon.ca: Kindle Store

www.amazon.ca

 

[GLASNOST]

Just to make matters more complicated let me lay down a couple of facts.

1). According to Islam any child born to a Muslim father is automatically Muslim.

2). According to Judaism any child born to a Jewish mother is automatically a Jew.

So ....... unless the Muslim or Jewish equivalency of a confirmation or conversion is performed what religion are the children of a Muslim man and a Jewish woman?

 

[Hafar1014]

My mother was Jewish father Protestant. I never knew them. I was raised in a strict Jewish home. So in Jewish law I am Jewish and can get dual citizenship in Israel. My DNA is 60% my father. So Im really smart and can fix things drive a pickup and fish. Like Blade

 

[DennisPTate]

Just to make matters more complicated let me lay down a couple of facts.

1). According to Islam any child born to a Muslim father is automatically Muslim.

2). According to Judaism any child born to a Jewish mother is automatically a Jew.

So ....... unless the Muslim or Jewish equivocacy of a confirmation or conversion is performed what religion are the children of a Muslim man and a Jewish woman?

Thank you for these very interesting details on this question. Another matter altogether is how is that same person viewed from the point of view of our Creator, [I assume the Being of Light of near death experience fame]? Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera was told by Messiah the Passover Lamb, [Moshiach ben David in my opinion], that she was actually "Jewish" although she had zero understanding of that fact until her brush with death.

Rabbi Alon Anava was an Atheist who disliked religion greatly at the time of his 2001 brush with death but during that seven minute view of the afterlife he came back transformed and became an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi.


www.AlonAnava.com/

Read about Rabbi Alon Anava

Rabbi Alon Anava was born and raised in Israel. He grew up in Ra’anana in a very secular family without any Torah education or knowledge. He grew up hating religion and anything that had to do with it. He did not believe in G-od and the Torah and lived life as a secular Jew. In […]

www.alonanava.com

 

[Hafar1014]

Thank you for these very interesting details on this question. Another matter altogether is how is that same person viewed from the point of view of our Creator, [I assume the Being of Light of near death experience fame]? Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera was told by Messiah the Passover Lamb, [Moshiach ben David in my opinion], that she was actually "Jewish" although she had zero understanding of that fact until her brush with death.

Rabbi Alon Anava was an Atheist who disliked religion greatly at the time of his 2001 brush with death but during that seven minute view of the afterlife he came back transformed and became an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi.


www.AlonAnava.com/

Read about Rabbi Alon Anava

Rabbi Alon Anava was born and raised in Israel. He grew up in Ra’anana in a very secular family without any Torah education or knowledge. He grew up hating religion and anything that had to do with it. He did not believe in G-od and the Torah and lived life as a secular Jew. In […]

www.alonanava.com

There is life after death I have experienced it and its real

 

[DennisPTate]

Judaism is more than lineage. If G-d calls you home you will answer the call.

I have to admit that I have felt that call for decades already. I actually priced the cost of a circumcision back in 1999. You might my first e-mail to a Jerusalem Sanhedrin Rabbi rather interesting?

I will try to dig that one up once I get back home and have access to my other e-mail.

 

[GLASNOST]

Yes, this is a truly serious question and the near death experience of Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera jumps to mind. In 1967 she has one of those near death experiences. She meets Jesus and He tells her that she is actually Jewish and that He wants her to move to Israel. [This surprised her because she had been raised Roman Catholic and did not know about her being a part of the Sephardic Jewish Community]. She does male Aliyah to Israel, and her near death experience account is exceptionally interesting for so many reasons.

There are several problems with this story.

a). Do we believe in "near death" experiences at all?
b). Do we trust Ms. Periera that she didn’t make up the whole story?
c). According to every record we have Jesus really did exist and he was a Jew. No argument, no discussion.
d). Logic makes it clear that if Jesus (himself) proclaimed to be the son of God then he must have been a heretic and consequently the founder of a Jewish cult ...…
e). ... therefore it is up to Ms. Periera to choose, not something written in the heavens as to whether she is Jewish or Christian.
f). If Jesus himself did not claim to be the son of God then there is a chance that he might have been a good Jew and nothing else while those who did claim he was the son of God started a Jewish cult on their own.

I have had dreams of being dead and I have memories of what I could do in the “afterlife” …. according to those dreams. I suppose I can call them “near death” if I want to but I’m not going to do that.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... Another matter altogether is how is that same person viewed from the point of view of our Creator,

Yes, that's a good question. I have my own convictions but we're not here to discuss me.

 

[DennisPTate]

Yes, that's a good question. I have my own convictions but we're not here to discuss me.

I can begin a separate discussion related to my own take on all of this and I would love it if you did talk about your own convictions?

 

[GLASNOST]

Another matter altogether is how is that same person viewed from the point of view of our Creator,

..... I have my own convictions but we're not here to discuss me.

... I would love it if you did talk about your own convictions?

Are you sure?

 

[DennisPTate]

Are you sure?

Yes, you will find that it is quite difficult to offend me.


For my own case I have decided to lower the bar, because I think that I should be able to fit in as a "Noahide?"

Hit me with your best shot,
I do believe that you will not offend me or shock me.

Zone1 Thread 'In your opinion could I fit in as a member of the "Noahide Community?"'

Nov 28, 2025

The Jerusalem Sanhedrin has initiated what I believe is an important somewhat new development within Rabbinic Judaism. If this had been done a thousand years ago this would have led to persecution of the Jewish people at an even greater level than was already happening.

The "Noahide Movement" is something of a diplomatic outreach by Jewish Rabbi's to all the nations of the earth. The movement is not absolutely uniform and some Rabbi's would probably NOT want me, DennisPTate, to be considered to be a "Noahide" but others would tend to think that I could fit in quite well.

[Dennis...

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