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Can they have Guns?EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
They should get the basics, but they should still wait for the police to show up first. You can take down a suicidal nut from a greater distance with a service weapon than you can throwing a defibrillator at them from across the parking lot.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Sure. Just like any other citizen for defensive purposes.Can they have Guns?EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Because the civilian population is training in self defense and how to shoot a criminal dead. When the amblance "inner city for ambulance", shows up after a stupid prog slave who tried to break in another persons house is put down, either the police or medics can now show up and remove the corpse.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
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WHY??? Everyone trashes cops when they do.They should get the basics, but they should still wait for the police to show up first. You can take down a suicidal nut from a greater distance with a service weapon than you can throwing a defibrillator at them from across the parking lot.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
So their answer is let cops, who are grossly undertrained and under qualified to do psych work or paramedic work, respond first and probably do it wrong?The first rule of EMS is scene safety....They're operating under the Hippocratic oath.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Well its time to change their “rules” to fit modern society’s needs. Take 2-3 weeks of self DEFENSE. Then they dont need cops to “make the scene safe”1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
2) They're operating under the Hippocratic oath....Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
EMS isn't about mental health...In your context, they're basically combat medics...When conscientiously tending to the sick and injured, you don't have the spare situational awareness to deal with self defense.So their answer is let cops, who are grossly undertrained and under qualified to do psych work or paramedic work, respond first and probably do it wrong?The first rule of EMS is scene safety....They're operating under the Hippocratic oath.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”Well its time to change their “rules” to fit modern society’s needs. Take 2-3 weeks of self DEFENSE. Then they dont need cops to “make the scene safe”1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
2) They're operating under the Hippocratic oath....Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Sounds quite selfish of EMS and mental health. They dont need cops for ANYTHING other than calls where they MIGHT have to defend themselves. Self defense isnt violating the hippocratic oath
WHY??? Everyone trashes cops when they do.They should get the basics, but they should still wait for the police to show up first. You can take down a suicidal nut from a greater distance with a service weapon than you can throwing a defibrillator at them from across the parking lot.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Just make the medical and mental community cross train in hand to hand, tasers and even guns. Surely its easier to train them in cop stuff (remember its less than a barber gets) than trying to turn cops into psychiatrists or paramedics
EMS always gets sent to calls for mentally ill people.EMS isn't about mental health...In your context, they're basically combat medics...When conscientiously tending to the sick and injured, you don't have the spare situational awareness to deal with self defense.So their answer is let cops, who are grossly undertrained and under qualified to do psych work or paramedic work, respond first and probably do it wrong?The first rule of EMS is scene safety....They're operating under the Hippocratic oath.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”Well its time to change their “rules” to fit modern society’s needs. Take 2-3 weeks of self DEFENSE. Then they dont need cops to “make the scene safe”1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
2) They're operating under the Hippocratic oath....Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Sounds quite selfish of EMS and mental health. They dont need cops for ANYTHING other than calls where they MIGHT have to defend themselves. Self defense isnt violating the hippocratic oath
That's not selfish, that's the way it is.
So.....send em for the same 2-3 weeks of self defense training cops get. Cops arent medics or counselors but we force them to cross train in both.WHY??? Everyone trashes cops when they do.They should get the basics, but they should still wait for the police to show up first. You can take down a suicidal nut from a greater distance with a service weapon than you can throwing a defibrillator at them from across the parking lot.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Just make the medical and mental community cross train in hand to hand, tasers and even guns. Surely its easier to train them in cop stuff (remember its less than a barber gets) than trying to turn cops into psychiatrists or paramedics
Our Oh Shit!!!! Ambulance service is a volunteer organization. They are the ones that get the serious calls and do not enjoy the legal protections of police, have the legal authority as police, and I am guessing, wouldn't have the staff they have if there were no police. The Oh Whatever for-profit, privately-owned Ambulance service responds to the less serious calls and as back up to the Oh Shit!!! service. At my house, you know which one is coming because the Oh Shit!!! calls usually get the fire department first responders dispatched too and you can hear two sets of sirens coming from two opposite directions when they are rolling your way. The Oh Whatever service are fine for taking granny from the nursing home to the ER for some tests, but not the one you want if you aren't breathing, are on fire, or have something protruding in you more serious than a lost cucumber up the bunghole.
Yes they do....And they still require scene security.EMS always gets sent to calls for mentally ill people.EMS isn't about mental health...In your context, they're basically combat medics...When conscientiously tending to the sick and injured, you don't have the spare situational awareness to deal with self defense.So their answer is let cops, who are grossly undertrained and under qualified to do psych work or paramedic work, respond first and probably do it wrong?The first rule of EMS is scene safety....They're operating under the Hippocratic oath.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”Well its time to change their “rules” to fit modern society’s needs. Take 2-3 weeks of self DEFENSE. Then they dont need cops to “make the scene safe”1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
2) They're operating under the Hippocratic oath....Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Sounds quite selfish of EMS and mental health. They dont need cops for ANYTHING other than calls where they MIGHT have to defend themselves. Self defense isnt violating the hippocratic oath
That's not selfish, that's the way it is.
Military combat medics get trained in weapons just like soldiers. Would a combat medic watch someone suffer bc theres not an infantryman nearby to “make it safe”? I doubt it.
Its simply unacceptable for modern EMS or mental health workers to refuse to cross train. What if all cops are busy and EMS/mental health is sitting down the street waiting while someone who is in medical or mental distress waits? THAT is selfish
Time for medical and mental communities to step up and get in the game
Well times change. Why do they expect cops take on all those roles that arent their jobs, but EMS and mental health balk at the idea of themselves stepping up and adapting to the times??Yes they do....And they still require scene security.EMS always gets sent to calls for mentally ill people.EMS isn't about mental health...In your context, they're basically combat medics...When conscientiously tending to the sick and injured, you don't have the spare situational awareness to deal with self defense.So their answer is let cops, who are grossly undertrained and under qualified to do psych work or paramedic work, respond first and probably do it wrong?The first rule of EMS is scene safety....They're operating under the Hippocratic oath.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”Well its time to change their “rules” to fit modern society’s needs. Take 2-3 weeks of self DEFENSE. Then they dont need cops to “make the scene safe”1) The first rule of EMS is scene safety/security....You cannot be of assistance to the sick and injured if you are yourself sick and/or injured.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
2) They're operating under the Hippocratic oath....Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Creating more patients would be against their core ethos.
Sounds quite selfish of EMS and mental health. They dont need cops for ANYTHING other than calls where they MIGHT have to defend themselves. Self defense isnt violating the hippocratic oath
That's not selfish, that's the way it is.
Military combat medics get trained in weapons just like soldiers. Would a combat medic watch someone suffer bc theres not an infantryman nearby to “make it safe”? I doubt it.
Its simply unacceptable for modern EMS or mental health workers to refuse to cross train. What if all cops are busy and EMS/mental health is sitting down the street waiting while someone who is in medical or mental distress waits? THAT is selfish
Time for medical and mental communities to step up and get in the game
Civilian EMS aren't military personnel.....The normal world isn't presumed to be a battlefield.
Please familiarize yourself with the concept of the division of labor.
Division of labour - Wikipedia
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So.....send em for the same 2-3 weeks of self defense training cops get. Cops arent medics or counselors but we force them to cross train in both.WHY??? Everyone trashes cops when they do.They should get the basics, but they should still wait for the police to show up first. You can take down a suicidal nut from a greater distance with a service weapon than you can throwing a defibrillator at them from across the parking lot.EMS and mental workers should be mandated to do the same 2-: weeks of self defense training cops do at the academy. That way THEY can show up first instead of cops to non-criminal calls for mental patients and medical situations instead of waiting on cops to “make the scene safe”
Just make the medical and mental community cross train in hand to hand, tasers and even guns. Surely its easier to train them in cop stuff (remember its less than a barber gets) than trying to turn cops into psychiatrists or paramedics
Our Oh Shit!!!! Ambulance service is a volunteer organization. They are the ones that get the serious calls and do not enjoy the legal protections of police, have the legal authority as police, and I am guessing, wouldn't have the staff they have if there were no police. The Oh Whatever for-profit, privately-owned Ambulance service responds to the less serious calls and as back up to the Oh Shit!!! service. At my house, you know which one is coming because the Oh Shit!!! calls usually get the fire department first responders dispatched too and you can hear two sets of sirens coming from two opposite directions when they are rolling your way. The Oh Whatever service are fine for taking granny from the nursing home to the ER for some tests, but not the one you want if you aren't breathing, are on fire, or have something protruding in you more serious than a lost cucumber up the bunghole.
Time for the other “first” (2nd or 3rd) responders help carry some of the load
