Constitutional Scholar With Impeccable Credentials Explains What A True Natural Born Citizen Is

[Syriusly]

Oh, and when you're done Keys....explain why I would ignore the Director of Health of Hawaii on their on Hawaiian vital documents and instead believe you.

And I'm still waiting for you to show us the Maricopa County Sheriff Office's report on Obama's 2007 COLB.

And one last question...is there any claim I can't run you off of?

Well, for starters, the cert you're referring to has been demonstrated to be a forgery, by objective third parties who studied it...

Secondly, we know from public professions of well established Democrats that it is common practice of the Left to fraudulently alter public documents and to deceitfully mislead the public as a means to their desired end...

Evidence of which you can see here: Obamacare architect describes Mislabeling in video - CNN.com

A CNN article entitled: "Obamacare architect in 6th video: 'Mislabeling' helped us get rid of tax breaks".

Democrats forged it, released it and assured the authenticity of such. Therefore, its a lie.

On what basis would one reasonably require anything else?

LOL....conveniently ignoring that Republicans confirmed it all first.

Herr Keyes appears to believe that the State of Hawaii is part of this vast conspiracy- which apparently includes Republicans and Democrats.....so no one can be trusted...except of course Youtube videos....and used car salesmen.

Birthers will ignore anyone, any source, any document, any official...if it doesn't ape what they want to believe. For folks like Keyes, credibility of a source is defined exclusively by that sources agreement with what he already believes.

Party affiliation is merely an excuse. If a republican contradicts him, he ignores the republican too.

Which of course is the beating heart of the Cherry Picking Fallacy.

Well if they don't keep denying it, they will be faced with the reality that Americans actually elected a black man to be President.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Oh, and when you're done Keys....explain why I would ignore the Director of Health of Hawaii on their on Hawaiian vital documents and instead believe you.

And I'm still waiting for you to show us the Maricopa County Sheriff Office's report on Obama's 2007 COLB.

And one last question...is there any claim I can't run you off of?

Well, for starters, the cert you're referring to has been demonstrated to be a forgery, by objective third parties who studied it...

Secondly, we know from public professions of well established Democrats that it is common practice of the Left to fraudulently alter public documents and to deceitfully mislead the public as a means to their desired end...

Evidence of which you can see here: Obamacare architect describes Mislabeling in video - CNN.com

A CNN article entitled: "Obamacare architect in 6th video: 'Mislabeling' helped us get rid of tax breaks".

Democrats forged it, released it and assured the authenticity of such. Therefore, its a lie.

On what basis would one reasonably require anything else?

LOL....conveniently ignoring that Republicans confirmed it all first.

Herr Keyes appears to believe that the State of Hawaii is part of this vast conspiracy- which apparently includes Republicans and Democrats.....so no one can be trusted...except of course Youtube videos....and used car salesmen.

Birthers will ignore anyone, any source, any document, any official...if it doesn't ape what they want to believe. For folks like Keyes, credibility of a source is defined exclusively by that sources agreement with what he already believes.

Party affiliation is merely an excuse. If a republican contradicts him, he ignores the republican too.

Which of course is the beating heart of the Cherry Picking Fallacy.

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

The lady who 'certified' the long form, which is the latest and better of the two forgeries DIED in a sinking airplane, in which the other 8 passengers had no trouble swimming from.

So what evidence do you have that the Democrats in Hawaiin governance have told the truth?

Please post it, as I would be VERY interested in seeing what you've got.

 

[Skylar]

At a minimum we are looking at the Republican former Director of Health, the Democratic former Director of Health, and the current Registrar of Records...along with two former Governors of Hawaii.

That's the beauty of batshit conspiracy theories. They just keep getting more and more fantastically elaborate, more wildly complicated, involving more and more people. And of course, they're backed by absolutely nothing.

Occam's Razor anyone?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

Please debunk everithing what they found to be forged. I await your substantive rebuttal.

 

[Skylar]

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who? Certainly not the Secretary of State of any State. The Maricopa County Sheriff's office has nothing to say on Obama's 2007 COLB.

So who, pray tell, are you citing?

The lady who 'certified' the long form, which is the latest and better of the two forgeries DIED in a sinking airplane, in which the other 8 passengers had no trouble swimming from.

So what evidence do you have that the Democrats in Hawaiin governance have told the truth?

Um, for the 4th time, Chiyome Fukino as Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii personally inspected Obama's original vital records and affirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

That's REPUBLICAN Chiyome Fukino. And you ignore her too....for no particular reason. Just as you do anyone who doens't ape what you choose to believe.

Though you never could explain why a rational person would ignore the Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii and instead believe you. There is no reason.

 

[Skylar]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

Please debunk everithing what they found to be forged. I await your substantive rebuttal.

Show us the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments official report. And I'd be happy to.

 

[Syriusly]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

Please debunk everithing what they found to be forged. I await your substantive rebuttal.

Please show me what any law enforcement officer has found.

Until you do- you are debunked.

Hint: A used car salesman is not a law enforcement officer. Not even one who is paid off for the 'investigation'....$10,000 was it?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

A lie!

 

[Syriusly]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

A lie!

Feel free to prove me wrong. Show us a report from the Maricopa Sheriff's Department saying that Barack Obama's birth certificate is a forgery.

Don't you think it is kind of odd though....that if a law enforcement agency had proof of a forgery.....that they haven't notified a DA...or the FBI...or even the Arizona Secretary of State?

 

[Skylar]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

A lie!

Then show us the Maricopa Country Sheriff Departments official report on Obama's birth certificate.

Or, you could tuck your tail between your legs yet again and give us snivelling excuses why no such report exists.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who?

Says every objective 3rd party that has ever looked at it. Any reasonable person who compares the obama COLB to another COLB of the same period can readily see the OBVIOUS nature of the fraudulent obama cert.

Its not even debatable... and this without regard to your feckless attempts to do so.

 

[Skylar]

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who?

Says every objective 3rd party that has ever looked at it. Any reasonable person who compares the obama COLB to another COLB of the same period can readily see the OBVIOUS nature of the fraudulent obama cert.

Its not even debatable... and this without regard to your feckless attempts to do so.

So who says that the COLB is a forgery? And who says that the LFBC is a forgery? Remember, the Registrar of Hawaii has already confirmed that the information on the LFBC is accurate and matches the original records. So your source better be more authoritative than the Registrar of Hawaii. And the Director of Health of Hawaii.

Whenever I ask you for your source, you starting babbling about how your claims are 'not debatable'. But you can never cite anyone but yourself. You said something about the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But when I asked you to show us the their official report on the matter....you tucked that tail between your legs again and scuttled away.

And of course, you never did explain why any rational person would ignore Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii Chiyome Fukino who personally inspected Obama's original vital records and confirmed that Obama was born in the US and is a natural born citizen.

I'm supposed to ignore her and believe you citing yourself......why exactly?

 

[Syriusly]

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who?

Says every objective 3rd party that has ever looked at it. Any reasonable person who compares the obama COLB to another COLB of the same period can readily see the OBVIOUS nature of the fraudulent obama cert.

Its not even debatable... and this without regard to your feckless attempts to do so.

There is not one word of truth in your post.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

Please debunk everithing what they found to be forged. I await your substantive rebuttal.

Please show me what any law enforcement officer has found.

Until you do- you are debunked.

Hint: A used car salesman is not a law enforcement officer. Not even one who is paid off for the 'investigation'....$10,000 was it?

Ohhhh... you better watch it

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who?

Says every objective 3rd party that has ever looked at it. Any reasonable person who compares the obama COLB to another COLB of the same period can readily see the OBVIOUS nature of the fraudulent obama cert.

Its not even debatable... and this without regard to your feckless attempts to do so.

So who says that the COLB is a forgery? And who says that the LFBC is a forgery? Remember, the Registrar of Hawaii has already confirmed that the information on the LFBC is accurate and matches the original records. So your source better be more authoritative than the Registrar of Hawaii. And the Director of Health of Hawaii.

Whenever I ask you for your source, you starting babbling about how your claims are 'not debatable'. But you can never cite anyone but yourself. You said something about the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But when I asked you to show us the their official report on the matter....you tucked that tail between your legs again and scuttled away.

And of course, you never did explain why any rational person would ignore Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii Chiyome Fukino who personally inspected Obama's original vital records and confirmed that Obama was born in the US and is a natural born citizen.

I'm supposed to ignore her and believe you citing yourself......why exactly?

Hey asshole. The Hawaii Dept of Health is the one who has tucked tail and hid behind AG Jill Nagamine when Investigator Zullo confronted them to get answers. They are the cowards. As Arpaio said........."Release the microfilm" of the original 53 yr old birth document. What is the Hawaii Dept of Health afraid of? If they allegedly released the private information to Linda Lingle that Obama/Soetoro was allegedly born at Kapiolani th3n what are they afraid of?

 

[Skylar]

Hey asshole. The Hawaii Dept of Health is the one who has tucked tail and hid behind AG Jill Nagamine when Investigator Zullo confronted them to get answers

And by 'confronted them for answers', you mean when Zullo showed up in Hawaii and demanded that Hawaii give full access for all of their vital records to Zullo's non-profit corporation?

You forget....Zullo's 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa Sheriff's department. Its just a private non-profit that runs on donations. This from their own website.

The creation of the CCP was a unique departure from the role that the general Posse system has been accustomed to, serving as a direct support to the Patrol Division of the Office. The CCP is the first posse to work directly for and under the supervision the General Investigation Division (GID).

We are a 501c3 charitable corporation. We support the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office at NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSE to the taxpayers as we are solely supported by contributions and from our members’ financial support.

MCSO Cold Case Posse - About Us

The 'cold case posse' isn't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's office. They are a non-profit corporation that 'supports' the Sheriff's office. Why didn't the Maricopa Country Sheriff's department officers go to Hawaii and ask? Why send a private non-profit that they know Hawaii could never release the documents to, as it would explicitly violate Hawaiian law?

If the case is as compelling as Sheriff Joe claims, then getting a warrant for the records would have been child's play. Yet in 3 years, Sheriff Joe has never been able to convince a single judge to authorize such a warrant.

Not one. Not even an Arizona judge.

Worse, if Sheriff Joe wanted to know if Obama's birth certificate was legit, why didn't he just *ask* Hawaii if it was? Its the first thing that a credible investigator would do: check with the issuing agency to verify authenticity. But Sheriff Joe never did, and to this day refuses to do.

Given that Hawaii has already verified that the information on Obama's LFBC published on the White House Website is accurate and matches the original records......why does Sheriff Joe refuse to ask? The Secretary of State of Arizona did;

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R), who earlier this month requested more information from Hawaii on President Obama’s birth certificate, has gotten the confirmation he needed.

“Late yesterday, our office received the 'verification in-lieu of certified copy' from officials within the Hawaii Department of Health that we requested in March,” Bennett said in a statement released Wednesday afternoon. “They have officially confirmed that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original record in their files.

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett satisfied Obama was born in United States - The Washington Post

There you go. Verification from the Secretary of State of Arizona that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original records on file. And which State is Maricopa county located? Arizona. The very State that had already verified that the information on Obama's birth certificate was accurate.

So why does Sheriff Joe ignore Arizona officials who have already verified the EXACT issue he's supposedly investigating? Why won't Sheriff Joe ask Hawaii if the Birth Certificate is accurate? Why won't Sheriff Joe release ANY official report on the issue from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department? Its been 3 years....and yet not a single official document on the matter from the Maricopa County Sheriff's department.

What is Sheriff Joe afraid of? What is he hiding that he won't release his report after 3 years of investigating?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Credentials of the source of this opinion?

Herb Titus is a major accomplice in the attempted perpetration of this lunacy:

Constitution Restoration Act - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Beside being an obomazombie, what's your credentials to talk the Constitution?

The President has better credentials than you do.

The president is a liar, among many other things, shall we discuss that?

Name the politicians you support for president that have never told a lie.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Credentials of the source of this opinion?

Herb Titus is a major accomplice in the attempted perpetration of this lunacy:

Constitution Restoration Act - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Beside being an obomazombie, what's your credentials to talk the Constitution?

I'm smarter than you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A respected constitutional scholar and lawyer sits down to explain what a true Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen is in just over 6 minutes. His credentials are impeccable when it comes to the matter of Constitutional Law and our founders original intent, especially on the subject of the presidency. In the brief video's, he gives a clear understandable meaning of why the founders wanted to have a natural born Citizen ONLY for the presidential requirement to hold the executive office of the United States. It is clear after listening to this outstanding scholar in the two part video that you will understand why Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are not constitutionally eligible to hold the office of the presidency.


His credentials:

He taught constitutional law, common law, and other subjects for nearly 30 years at five different American Bar Association approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993, he served as the founding Dean of the College of Law and Government in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Prior to his academic career, he served as a Trial Attorney and a Special Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. and Kansas City, Missouri. Today he is engaged in a general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy, litigation, and appeals.

He holds the J.D. degree (cum laude) from Harvard and the B.S. degree in Political Science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa. He is an active member of the bar of Virginia and an inactive member of the bar of Oregon. He is admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the United States Court of Claims, and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, Ninth, Tenth, District of Columbia and Federal Circuits. His constitutional practice has taken him into federal district courts in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia and the state courts of Idaho, Texas and North Dakota.

Listen very closely.

Part one is 4:32



Part two is 2:03

He quickly fails by trying to claim that one needs both parents to be American citizens in order for the child to claim natural born citizenship.

"Ronald Rotunda, Professor of Law at Chapman University, has remarked "There's [sic] some people who say that both parents need to be citizens. That's never been the law."[51]

As a further example, in an unpublished New York decision, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections (Kings Cnty Supreme Ct., April 11, 2012) 35 Misc.3d 1208(A), 2012 N.Y. Slip Op. 50614(U), 950 N.Y.S.2d 722 (table), 2012 N.Y.Misc. LEXIS 1635, 2012 WL 1205117, the pro se plaintiff challenged Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents." (emphasis added)

To which the Court responded, " Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ....

Morever, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil." [listing Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover].[52]"

Natural-born-citizen clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Kosh]

What evidence is it of which you speak?

The Certs are TERRIBLE, AMATEUR FORGERIES! ... it's not even debatable.

Says who?

Says every objective 3rd party that has ever looked at it. Any reasonable person who compares the obama COLB to another COLB of the same period can readily see the OBVIOUS nature of the fraudulent obama cert.

Its not even debatable... and this without regard to your feckless attempts to do so.

There is not one word of truth in your post.

The irony of such posts from the programmed far left minions..

 

[Syriusly]

Obama has nothing to prove to those who think he is an illegal.

The State of Hawaii has certified BHO was born there.

Then Hawaii shouldn't have no problem releasing the original 53 year old birth certificate with the raised seal and its microfilm to counter the Maricopa County Sheriffs Departments investigation findings the document is a 100% forgery.

The Maricopa County Sheriff Department found nothing.

Just a Birther lie.

Please debunk everithing what they found to be forged. I await your substantive rebuttal.

Please show me what any law enforcement officer has found.

Until you do- you are debunked.

Hint: A used car salesman is not a law enforcement officer. Not even one who is paid off for the 'investigation'....$10,000 was it?

Ohhhh... you better watch it
?

Watch what Stevie Boy?

Again:

Please show me what any law enforcement officer has found.

Until you do- you are debunked.

Hint: A used car salesman is not a law enforcement officer. Not even one who is paid off for the 'investigation'....$10,000 was it?