Conservatives, the fight is not over!

[Cecilie1200]

OK then, tell everyone who your going to vote for if not Trump, or Crooked Clinton?
Write in Ted Cruz, not vote, someone else///I'd like to hear how you have any other choice than the 2 major candidates in the running.

I have never in my life seen a Presidential ballot that only had two candidates listed on it.

There are, to my knowledge, five major political parties in this country at the moment (defined as parties with an independent organization in a majority of states). I'd like to hear how you think we DON'T have a choice.

And yes, write-ins are also an option for most of us.

 

[Cecilie1200]

OK then, tell everyone who your going to vote for if not Trump, or Crooked Clinton?
Write in Ted Cruz, not vote, someone else///I'd like to hear how you have any other choice than the 2 major candidates in the running.

I'm seriously considering Gary Johnson or not voting at all at this point.

I would LIKE to be able to vote for Trump. Let me say it again for the hard heads... I would LIKE to be able to vote for Donald Trump in the general election! I have nothing personal against the man. I have liked some of his ideas.... when he has remained consistent and conservative. But I have NO intention of just casting my vote for him because he's not Hillary Clinton. And if his smart ass supporters don't shut up and stop trying to intimidate me and ridicule me, I won't vote for Trump under ANY circumstance. You can kiss my ******* ass!

It's up to Donald Trump to WIN MY VOTE! It's not up to me to come over to his Liberal way of thinking and that's NOT going to happen here.

Gary Johnson may not be the Libertarian candidate this time around. The word I'm hearing is that Austin Peterson is giving him a run for his money.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Riiiiiight. **** the fact that he stands up in his speeches and interviews and directly contradicts his own platform. We should just ignore everything he says and cling to the ONE time he said what we wanted to hear.

You go with that, Chuckles. I personally don't find that at all convincing.

Contradicts his own platform? LMFAO you people are so ideoligically ignorant that you fail to comprehend much of anything, other than Cruz should have won, Trump stole it from Cruz, Cruz is who I whack off too before I go to sleep, yade, yada, yada. SMFH

I could care less what you find convincing.

Good. You and your fellow "**** you, you're stupid, I don't care if you vote for Trump, so THERE!" cultists go right ahead and elect him with just your votes, then.

The more you shitstains talk, the more I want to NOT vote for him just so you'll lose. I hate Trump and Hillary equally, but in less than a week, you Trumpettes cockholsters have convinced me to hate YOU way more than I hate Clintonistas.

Shitstains? So the party means nothing to you, you would rather hold your ideological stupidity over the possibility of the Republicans atleast being able to pick the direction of the country over the next 8-20 years. SMFH

The party means nothing to me? Excuse me? I'M not the one who metaphorically laid on the floor, kicking and screaming and demanding Donald Trump for all these months because the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down". Trump's candidacy was ALL about anger at the party and smashing it, and now you have the unmitigated GALL and hypocrisy to come to me and and accuse ME of not caring about the party enough and demanding I fall in and goosestep up to the party line to accommodate you?

There is not enough "**** yourself with a barbed wire dildo and die" in the world to express my opinion of you. "Shitstain" was clearly so inadequate as to be a compliment.

Demanding Trump all these months, the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down".? The will of the people voted, Cruz lost, get over it.

Coming to you accusing you of not caring and demanding to fall in line to accommodate me? Look, we know your butt hurt, but maybe in 4 years you can try again, or maybe in 8 years, who knows. SMFH Frankly I could care less what you think of me. :YAWN:

1) You are even more incoherent than the average Trump voter. I honestly can't decide if you support Trump because you're an illiterate boob, or if all these months of Trump teabagging you made you an illiterate boob.

On further reflection, I don't really care.

2) Look, I know this is the first time in your existence that you ever felt like a winner about anything, but at some point you're going to have to figure out how to say something other than, "Trump won! Trump is God!"

If I thought you had two functioning brain cells and they were both on the same side of your skull, I'd think you were just trying to deflect from the reality of your hypocritical douche-weaselry, but I actually think you're just too ******* stupid to comprehend English, so . . .

Good luck electing Trump with your "winning majority" of less than half the Republican Party, and please try to sack up enough to actually be here on Election Night, so that I can savor your utter despair at realizing that you are still, as you always have been, an ignorant, gullible loser who has been conned.

Ta for now, Trumpette.

 

[Boss]

LMFAO the overwhelming majority of small business owners are not in the 1% you ******* idiot.

Of Earned Income Taxpayers, YES... they ARE!

NO they ARE NOT!

Trump isn't talking about raising Earned Income Tax Brackets that. In fact he is talking about having only 4 tax brackets: 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven.

Again... No, he has recently said "I'm not a big fan" [of the majority of his tax cuts going to the top 1%] and he plans for their rate to go up. He has SAID... "We have to tax the rich more!" What he WAS talking about was fine... I liked his tax plan... I defended it here several times against stupid liberals who didn't get it. But he has now lurched left on it... he says we have to "raise taxes on the rich" like some kind of fucked-in-the-head liberal kook who doesn't understand the way our tax system works. "The Rich" aren't making their money through Earned Income and pay very little Earned Income Tax. Raising the top marginal earned income tax rates (what he said) is stupid and only hurts small businesses.

You see this is where your ignorance shines bright, thinking that small business owners are the 1%. You must be one of those fucked-in-the-head liberal kooks since what he has proposed would reduce tax rates on Earned Income (Net Profit - personal income). He never stated we should raise the top marginal earned income tax rates. SMFH

He is only talking about closing corporate loop holes:

No... In a totally different conversation about corporate taxation he has said that but he has not been specific about what "loopholes" he wants to close. A "loophole" in corporate taxation context, is basically a tax incentive that we have passed at one time or another in order to address some problem or issue facing many Americans. I can't sit here and defend them all, but every single one of them has a reason and purpose for existing and Congress held debates to argue why we should or should not have them. Personally, I am all for eliminating all the "loopholes" and lowering the tax rate to near zero for corporations, particularly if we can incentivize domesticity. You keep your money and jobs HERE and you can pay 5% corporate tax with no loopholes.

But Trump was NOT talking about corporate tax rates in the interview I raised questions with.

What interview is it you think he stated to raise the top marginal earned income tax rates in? You seem to be projecting based on some other phrase that you are mis-interpreting. In a town-hall interview he was asked if he believed in raising taxes on the wealthy, to which he said he does, and his ideals are to close loopholes to do so, such as the Carried Interest loophole.

The biggest winners under Donald Trump's tax plan

Again... IDIOT... We don't tax WEALTH in America! That is a Socialist-Marxist propaganda tool. We've NEVER taxed WEALTH in this country! We tax income... we tax capital gains... we tax property... we do not tax WEALTH! Now you and Trump can BUY IN to the class warfare rhetoric of the progressives if you want to... but you're STUPID!

And yes... he most certainly DID say, in an interview on Thursday with CNBC, that he's "not a big fan" of the proposals in his tax cut plan which provide tax relief for top wage earners and he plans to "tax the rich." So he has now abandoned Conservatism and is spouting the Socialist-Marxist class warfare propaganda.

I don't care if you don't believe me... do some ******* research! Small businesses pay the overwhelming majority of the "Top 1%" of taxes on Earned Income because that's how they report. That's who he (and progressives) are talking about increasing taxes on... that's who they consider "The Rich!"

Linking me to stuff about Trump's tax proposal or his town halls is pointless... I already said, I was a supporter of his tax plan. But he is NOW changing his tune on his OWN tax plan! He says "I'm not a big fan" ...of his OWN TAX PLAN!

In two days, following his coronation as GOP nominee, he has completely caved on two key conservative principles. He is now leaning toward a minimum wage increase (which will kill jobs) and increasing the top marginal earned income tax rates (which harms small business). He has taken to spewing the left-wing talking point about "taxing the rich" as if he doesn't understand we don't tax wealth in America. And here YOU are, continuing to wave your pom-poms, seemingly oblivious to what he is saying NOW... in total contradiction of what he has said on the campaign trail.

Yes... someone needs to be shaking their damn head but it's not YOU... you keep shaking your head and marbles keep falling out... you're losing them all!

 

[Cecilie1200]

I am sure there are a lot of very disappointed conservatives out there who are just throwing up their hands today and saying... well, now what? Trump is the GOP nominee and once again, Conservative voters are left in the lurch without a candidate to support for president of the United States. Today, we're having to endure the sickening gloating of the Trump brigade as they parade around on their victory lap, taking their final pot shots and being the smug and arrogant assholes they've learned to be under their leader.

Fear not, the battle may be over but the war rages on. This isn't over by a damn sight and it won't be over regardless of who wins in November. Our focus must now shift to the congressional races where we stand to make great headway in the house and senate. Now more than ever, our strength and resolve becomes crucial. We can't abandon this fight... not now... not ever. We've suffered a setback, that's for sure. It hurts, I know. But we have to press on for the sake of our children, our grandchildren and this country we love so much.

Naturally, we want to know what went wrong. How did we end up on the short end of the stick in this primary which started with such high hopes? The answer is not simple but it can be summed up easily. The establishment GOP is getting their just rewards for abandoning conservative values. Us conservatives would have liked for that to have come in the form of a new conservative revival and for the first time in 40 years, a conservative choice for president. We came close but no one could have estimated the level of anger from those who are simply fed up with politics as usual in Washington. Too many were simply so fed up they weren't willing to give anyone a chance with a message other than "burn the place to the ground and shake it to the foundation because we're fed up." They didn't really care about messages, they just wanted someone who isn't a political insider because that's all they believe they can trust now. And... some of this can be blamed on actual conservatives who were sent to Washington to change things then abandoned their conservatism.

So maybe this is for the best... maybe we needed this? Granted, it's not what seems the best... it's worse than taking a dose of bad tasting medicine. But maybe we need to get this out of our system so we can return to a clean slate and then start to rebuild a true and strong coalition of conservative values? Once the real Donald Trump becomes known, there will be many who regret their choice. He may or may not defeat Hillary in November and some of us may feel obligated to support him even though he makes their blood boil. I can't tell you what is the right thing to do because I think it's a personal decision you'll have to make.

For me personally, I am not ready to support Donald Trump. I think he needs to unify this party and to do so he needs to advance core conservative principles. It's not our obligation to abandon our beliefs and move toward him, it's his duty as the GOP nominee to reassure the base that we can be united under principles we can all be proud to support in November. If he can't do that or his ego won't let him do that, or his supporters refuse to embrace such a concept, they will do so at their own peril. Clearly, this is out of the control of conservatives now, we can't do anything about what Trump does going forward, that's entirely his prerogative. But there are millions and millions of American conservative voters who are listening and waiting for a reason they should vote for this man in November.

Forget about Trumps antagonistic and frenzied base of supporters... they really don't matter here. What they have to say doesn't matter. They are all giddy with excitement like they just won the championship football game and full of beans. They have already demonstrated they will support Trump no matter what he says or how many times he transitions from one side of a position to another. It's a proven quantity and we know that. What matters is what Trump does. He can either continue to alienate conservatives or he can attempt to bring them into the big tent. The course he takes will have a tremendous effect on his general election bid.

I mostly agree, but it really boils down to one question. Do you want the hildabitch or sanders to be picking possibly the next 4 supreme court justices, that could easily be deciding the course of the country for the next 40+ years? If your answer is no, there's only one alternative.

Assuming you consider that an alternative, which I do not. I don't want Hillary, Bernie, OR the Orange Jesus picking the Supreme Court justices.

Well feel free to share with the rest of us what you consider a plausible alternative at this point in time.

A plausible alternative, as in "How do we get someone else to nominate Justices", or a plausible alternative, as in "Who I'm voting for instead"?

 

[Boss]

...you attacking me over me explaining that tax rates have nothing to do with free markets...

But you've NOT explained it... you just keep spewing it out your pie hole like it's some kind of a truth! Again... tax rates on earned income have EVERYTHING to do with free markets because that is precisely how EVERY small business in America reports their earnings. You living in total denial of that fact is not you explaining something, moron... and it never will be. It's you demonstrating you don't know what the **** you're talking about and sounding more and more like Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton than ANY free market Conservative!

 

[Cecilie1200]

If the hildabitch wins, we'll most likely lose the senate also, making liberal judges a certainty. I'll take the chance that Trump will do what he said and appoint Scalia types to the court.

It all depends on who he is talking to... If he's being interviewed by Hannity, he's going to appoint justices like Scalia... if he's talking to Wolf Blitzer, he's going to appoint a 'centrist-moderate' ...and we really don't know what he's going to appoint until he does so.

He also said he would give a by name list of people he would consider before the election. There's no doubt what you'll get if the hildabitch wins.

Yeah, but he said that while Cruz was still in the race. Now that he thinks he's waltzing to victory with no more effort required on his part, we'll have to see whether or not he bothers.

Isn't that the case with any politician.

No, and if we take that sort of lackadaisical, "Oh, it's okay if he lies to me, because all politicians lie" attitude, we have no right to ever expect any different.

 

[EriktheRed]

I think trump is the definition of what you described being wrong with the gop

The GOPe (establishment GOP) is what's wrong with Republicans. The old guard, the ones who said vote us back in and you'll see, we'll really do what you want. Then they didn't, they did what they wanted. Hey, how's that unfunded obamacare working out? How 'bout that budget? Yeah, Trump's rise is directly a result of being two-timed by the majority of the DC Rs. I get it.

Trump is a liberal in drag but his supporters don't seem to be paying attention to that part of him. They see him as an outsider and so, he's their go-to guy. Outsider? Big gov't and big business are in bed together; Trump has been in big business smoozing with big gov't his whole life. No clue how people see Trump as an outsider when he's half the equation.

tRump's supporters' only real policy position is sticking it to groups they believe have been shafting them. That other "Conservative" mumbo-jumbo is just dressing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If the hildabitch wins, we'll most likely lose the senate also, making liberal judges a certainty. I'll take the chance that Trump will do what he said and appoint Scalia types to the court.

It all depends on who he is talking to... If he's being interviewed by Hannity, he's going to appoint justices like Scalia... if he's talking to Wolf Blitzer, he's going to appoint a 'centrist-moderate' ...and we really don't know what he's going to appoint until he does so.

He also said he would give a by name list of people he would consider before the election. There's no doubt what you'll get if the hildabitch wins.

Yeah, but he said that while Cruz was still in the race. Now that he thinks he's waltzing to victory with no more effort required on his part, we'll have to see whether or not he bothers.

Isn't that the case with any politician.

Wait ... isn't part of trump's appeal is that he ISN"T a politician, that's he's a smart business man who is going to set things right?

Yeah, such a terrific businessman that he thinks the United States should, in effect, declare bankruptcy. Seems to be the only thing about business that he knows. Well, that and hype.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Contradicts his own platform? LMFAO you people are so ideoligically ignorant that you fail to comprehend much of anything, other than Cruz should have won, Trump stole it from Cruz, Cruz is who I whack off too before I go to sleep, yade, yada, yada. SMFH

I could care less what you find convincing.

Good. You and your fellow "**** you, you're stupid, I don't care if you vote for Trump, so THERE!" cultists go right ahead and elect him with just your votes, then.

The more you shitstains talk, the more I want to NOT vote for him just so you'll lose. I hate Trump and Hillary equally, but in less than a week, you Trumpettes cockholsters have convinced me to hate YOU way more than I hate Clintonistas.

Shitstains? So the party means nothing to you, you would rather hold your ideological stupidity over the possibility of the Republicans atleast being able to pick the direction of the country over the next 8-20 years. SMFH

The party means nothing to me? Excuse me? I'M not the one who metaphorically laid on the floor, kicking and screaming and demanding Donald Trump for all these months because the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down". Trump's candidacy was ALL about anger at the party and smashing it, and now you have the unmitigated GALL and hypocrisy to come to me and and accuse ME of not caring about the party enough and demanding I fall in and goosestep up to the party line to accommodate you?

There is not enough "**** yourself with a barbed wire dildo and die" in the world to express my opinion of you. "Shitstain" was clearly so inadequate as to be a compliment.

Demanding Trump all these months, the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down".? The will of the people voted, Cruz lost, get over it.

Coming to you accusing you of not caring and demanding to fall in line to accommodate me? Look, we know your butt hurt, but maybe in 4 years you can try again, or maybe in 8 years, who knows. SMFH Frankly I could care less what you think of me. :YAWN:

1) You are even more incoherent than the average Trump voter. I honestly can't decide if you support Trump because you're an illiterate boob, or if all these months of Trump teabagging you made you an illiterate boob.

On further reflection, I don't really care.

2) Look, I know this is the first time in your existence that you ever felt like a winner about anything, but at some point you're going to have to figure out how to say something other than, "Trump won! Trump is God!"

If I thought you had two functioning brain cells and they were both on the same side of your skull, I'd think you were just trying to deflect from the reality of your hypocritical douche-weaselry, but I actually think you're just too ******* stupid to comprehend English, so . . .

Good luck electing Trump with your "winning majority" of less than half the Republican Party, and please try to sack up enough to actually be here on Election Night, so that I can savor your utter despair at realizing that you are still, as you always have been, an ignorant, gullible loser who has been conned.

Ta for now, Trumpette.

:YAWN: I get it, your butt hurt over Cruz dropping out, get over it. If you decide to not vote for the R then you will be giving Hillary that chance to **** up the SCOTUS for the next 20 + years.

 

[Old Rocks]

I am sure there are a lot of very disappointed conservatives out there who are just throwing up their hands today and saying... well, now what? Trump is the GOP nominee and once again, Conservative voters are left in the lurch without a candidate to support for president of the United States. Today, we're having to endure the sickening gloating of the Trump brigade as they parade around on their victory lap, taking their final pot shots and being the smug and arrogant assholes they've learned to be under their leader.

Fear not, the battle may be over but the war rages on. This isn't over by a damn sight and it won't be over regardless of who wins in November. Our focus must now shift to the congressional races where we stand to make great headway in the house and senate. Now more than ever, our strength and resolve becomes crucial. We can't abandon this fight... not now... not ever. We've suffered a setback, that's for sure. It hurts, I know. But we have to press on for the sake of our children, our grandchildren and this country we love so much.

Naturally, we want to know what went wrong. How did we end up on the short end of the stick in this primary which started with such high hopes? The answer is not simple but it can be summed up easily. The establishment GOP is getting their just rewards for abandoning conservative values. Us conservatives would have liked for that to have come in the form of a new conservative revival and for the first time in 40 years, a conservative choice for president. We came close but no one could have estimated the level of anger from those who are simply fed up with politics as usual in Washington. Too many were simply so fed up they weren't willing to give anyone a chance with a message other than "burn the place to the ground and shake it to the foundation because we're fed up." They didn't really care about messages, they just wanted someone who isn't a political insider because that's all they believe they can trust now. And... some of this can be blamed on actual conservatives who were sent to Washington to change things then abandoned their conservatism.

So maybe this is for the best... maybe we needed this? Granted, it's not what seems the best... it's worse than taking a dose of bad tasting medicine. But maybe we need to get this out of our system so we can return to a clean slate and then start to rebuild a true and strong coalition of conservative values? Once the real Donald Trump becomes known, there will be many who regret their choice. He may or may not defeat Hillary in November and some of us may feel obligated to support him even though he makes their blood boil. I can't tell you what is the right thing to do because I think it's a personal decision you'll have to make.

For me personally, I am not ready to support Donald Trump. I think he needs to unify this party and to do so he needs to advance core conservative principles. It's not our obligation to abandon our beliefs and move toward him, it's his duty as the GOP nominee to reassure the base that we can be united under principles we can all be proud to support in November. If he can't do that or his ego won't let him do that, or his supporters refuse to embrace such a concept, they will do so at their own peril. Clearly, this is out of the control of conservatives now, we can't do anything about what Trump does going forward, that's entirely his prerogative. But there are millions and millions of American conservative voters who are listening and waiting for a reason they should vote for this man in November.

Forget about Trumps antagonistic and frenzied base of supporters... they really don't matter here. What they have to say doesn't matter. They are all giddy with excitement like they just won the championship football game and full of beans. They have already demonstrated they will support Trump no matter what he says or how many times he transitions from one side of a position to another. It's a proven quantity and we know that. What matters is what Trump does. He can either continue to alienate conservatives or he can attempt to bring them into the big tent. The course he takes will have a tremendous effect on his general election bid.

Dear Boss
If conservatives are going to live up to the principle that we should develop our own programs by free enterprise
and not depend on govt, then now is the time to demonstrate that.

If you are ready, I'm asking to form teams in every city and state that can organize around
either their local political party leadership, and/or academic institutions willing to take this on as a feasibility study,
and start implementing govt and social program reforms OURSELVES by investing in
our local businesses, schools, charities, parties, churches district by district and take back responsibility that has been overburdening govt.

I am asking for ministerial and business leaders, school officials or whoever can help manage teams.

let's do this. let's contact the Sanders and independent Greens and Libertarians,
the Trump supporters who also want jobs and control of the economy back with the working people.

Let's create jobs and facilities along the border that solve several problems at once,
with trafficking, with abuse of enslaved workers in sweatshops, with drug running and cults and gangs,
with the need for health care and jobs/training in social services to meet the demand of the populations in need,
and the need for prison and VA reform which could be the focus of development of medical facilities
based on effective treatment instead of the failure of our mental health and prisons based on
marketing big pharm products to the masses and pushing drugs as self-medication etc.

We can do better than this but the push has to come from the people to be sustainable.
Especially with conservatives whose whole party line is to teach the benefits of limited govt and not depending on Washington,
we need to support local leadership who preach and practice consistently.

Are you game? Are you ready to put out a call and get teams together?
Public radio and internet talk shows can help organize the masses ready for the work it's going to take.

We need ALL the candidates, from Sanders and Clinton, Carson Trump Cruz and the rest,
each to take on part of the puzzle in order to make all the pieces fit together where all the work gets done.

all levels of govt can be used for the maximum and proper capacity
and quit complicating things with programs best run by local groups per district.

Wishing you all the luck in the world with that. And I know many conservatives and liberals that would be glad to be a part of such an effort. But, if you start that effort, be sure to take down who opposes it, and actively works to keep it from happening. I think that list will surprise you.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

LMFAO the overwhelming majority of small business owners are not in the 1% you ******* idiot.

Of Earned Income Taxpayers, YES... they ARE!

NO they ARE NOT!

Trump isn't talking about raising Earned Income Tax Brackets that. In fact he is talking about having only 4 tax brackets: 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven.

Again... No, he has recently said "I'm not a big fan" [of the majority of his tax cuts going to the top 1%] and he plans for their rate to go up. He has SAID... "We have to tax the rich more!" What he WAS talking about was fine... I liked his tax plan... I defended it here several times against stupid liberals who didn't get it. But he has now lurched left on it... he says we have to "raise taxes on the rich" like some kind of fucked-in-the-head liberal kook who doesn't understand the way our tax system works. "The Rich" aren't making their money through Earned Income and pay very little Earned Income Tax. Raising the top marginal earned income tax rates (what he said) is stupid and only hurts small businesses.

You see this is where your ignorance shines bright, thinking that small business owners are the 1%. You must be one of those fucked-in-the-head liberal kooks since what he has proposed would reduce tax rates on Earned Income (Net Profit - personal income). He never stated we should raise the top marginal earned income tax rates. SMFH

He is only talking about closing corporate loop holes:

No... In a totally different conversation about corporate taxation he has said that but he has not been specific about what "loopholes" he wants to close. A "loophole" in corporate taxation context, is basically a tax incentive that we have passed at one time or another in order to address some problem or issue facing many Americans. I can't sit here and defend them all, but every single one of them has a reason and purpose for existing and Congress held debates to argue why we should or should not have them. Personally, I am all for eliminating all the "loopholes" and lowering the tax rate to near zero for corporations, particularly if we can incentivize domesticity. You keep your money and jobs HERE and you can pay 5% corporate tax with no loopholes.

But Trump was NOT talking about corporate tax rates in the interview I raised questions with.

What interview is it you think he stated to raise the top marginal earned income tax rates in? You seem to be projecting based on some other phrase that you are mis-interpreting. In a town-hall interview he was asked if he believed in raising taxes on the wealthy, to which he said he does, and his ideals are to close loopholes to do so, such as the Carried Interest loophole.

The biggest winners under Donald Trump's tax plan

Again... IDIOT... We don't tax WEALTH in America! That is a Socialist-Marxist propaganda tool. We've NEVER taxed WEALTH in this country! We tax income... we tax capital gains... we tax property... we do not tax WEALTH! Now you and Trump can BUY IN to the class warfare rhetoric of the progressives if you want to... but you're STUPID!

And yes... he most certainly DID say, in an interview on Thursday with CNBC, that he's "not a big fan" of the proposals in his tax cut plan which provide tax relief for top wage earners and he plans to "tax the rich." So he has now abandoned Conservatism and is spouting the Socialist-Marxist class warfare propaganda.

I don't care if you don't believe me... do some ******* research! Small businesses pay the overwhelming majority of the "Top 1%" of taxes on Earned Income because that's how they report. That's who he (and progressives) are talking about increasing taxes on... that's who they consider "The Rich!"

Linking me to stuff about Trump's tax proposal or his town halls is pointless... I already said, I was a supporter of his tax plan. But he is NOW changing his tune on his OWN tax plan! He says "I'm not a big fan" ...of his OWN TAX PLAN!

In two days, following his coronation as GOP nominee, he has completely caved on two key conservative principles. He is now leaning toward a minimum wage increase (which will kill jobs) and increasing the top marginal earned income tax rates (which harms small business). He has taken to spewing the left-wing talking point about "taxing the rich" as if he doesn't understand we don't tax wealth in America. And here YOU are, continuing to wave your pom-poms, seemingly oblivious to what he is saying NOW... in total contradiction of what he has said on the campaign trail.

Yes... someone needs to be shaking their damn head but it's not YOU... you keep shaking your head and marbles keep falling out... you're losing them all!

Are you really this ******* illiterate? Nobody said anything about taxing wealth you ******* idiot. Don't create a strawman so that you can knock it down and try to look as though you know more than you actually do.

Trump stated he is for taxing the wealthy (that is with a Y) by closing some loopholes like Carried Interest, which in effect would increase their taxes.

I have done the research, small business owners are not the majority of the 1%, in fact less than 1% of small business owners are in the 1%.
So-called wealthy are actually small business owners? The data is dubious
Buffett Rule would only hit 1% of small business owners

That is, it's likely that only 1% of small business owners would be directly affected by the latest proposal to raise taxes on the rich, according to data from the U.S. Treasury Department.​

Small Business Owners and the Top 1% - Barbara Weltman

According to Forbes, to be within this elite income group, a person needs annual income of about $394,000 from personal services or investments. According to the IRS, you need income of about $389,000 (based on figures from 2011 tax returns). This group reported 19% of all the taxable income in the U.S. and paid 35% of all federal income taxes for individuals.

Small business owners
Almost all of small businesses in the U.S. are set up in such a way—as sole proprietorships, partnerships, limited liability companies, or S corporations—that owners pay personal income taxes on their share of business profits. How many small business owners fall within the top one-percenters? It’s difficult to tell. Here are some clues:

• From IRS statistics, of the more than 8 million owners who had Schedule K-1 income from partnerships (including LLCs that report as partnerships) and S corporations, they had income of $425,384,000,000. This works out to about $53,000 of income per owner, which is a far cry from the approximately $390,000 of income needed to fall within the top 1%. But these are averages, so some may well have income from businesses and other sources putting them in the top 1%.
• According to the Urban Brookings Tax Policy Center, of the income reported by the top 1%, 24% came from business income.
• Payscale reports that the median salary for small business owners is $77,180; this would be something limited to S corporation owner-employees and does not take into account owners’ share of profits.

Top 5%
Even if only a handful of small business owners fall within the top 1%, many probably find themselves in the top 5% of individuals.

The U.S. Census Bureau fixes the threshold for the 5% group at household income of $232,000. And it is within this group that many of the federal tax limitations, surtaxes, and other restrictions begin to apply.
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You don't appear to know how to research then. The rest of your frothing is nothing more than soundbites and mis-interpretation which appears to be pretty common with you since you don't understand the difference between tax brackets and tax rates, changing wealthy into wealth, etc. SMFH

 

[EriktheRed]

"I am a Constitutional Conservative and I stand for core Constitutional Conservative principles and millions upon millions of Americans are with me.... we don't need organizing."

That's exactly how we got where we are now. The founders never intended for the rabble to be anywhere near the levers of power. All that tripe about liberty and God ordained equality was reserved for affluent land holding white males alone. No women, no working class folk, no poor folk, none of that. And that's before we even get into the fictional social construct of race.

All real progress in America has always come though the gathering of mass movements that push the power structure in directions it would never have gone via the political process. We will get the president Wall Street allows us until some critical mass of the population straightens its back. We will continue to borrow to maintain a level of empire and consumption this society can no longer afford, wages will continue to fall, poverty will continue to spread, permanent war of empire will continue unabated, privatized prison system mass incarceration will continue and spread in our post industrial society, human beings will continue to be commoditized regardless of “which” political party wins the presidency, and the public will continue to get 90% of what they see and hear from a half dozen corporations spewing a false perceptual reality (thanks for deregulating the FCC Mr. Clinton) while judicial fiat continues to be leveraged to strip citizens of basic constitutional rights. The system will do to us whatever we allow.

Utter horseshit. The 3/5th rule for blacks came about as a compromise to get slave holding states onboard unity of the nation. They were products of their day and women didn't have power, didn't live as independents so it's easy to look back with 21st century eyes and make value judgments. Otherwise citizens could vote for a representative, the common man shared the same rights.

And furthermore, technology is what forwarded social change, not progressive activists dreaming up goodness from their ivory towers. Factories made slavery unnecessary. Farm machinery finally made it unnecessary. Household appliances gave women more freedom to be engaged in politics and events of the day.

Maybe your perception of reality is distorted by corporations but you don't speak for me.

Speak for you? Why I'd never. My bad, you're right of course.

No Anti-Tax Movement, no American Revolution, no Abolition Movement, no States' Rights Movement, no Women's Rights Movement, no Temperance Movement, no Labor Movement, no Civil Rights Movement, no Anti-War Movement, no Environmental Movement, no union strikes, no Workers Rights Movement, no Shay’s Rebellion, no Boston Tea Party, no Shay’s Rebellion, no Southeast Missouri Sharecroppers Strike, nonadat ever happened.

I'm not going to hold your hand and try to make up for your lack of schooling and walk you through each step but the Revolution happened because Americans were doing well with their various businesses. England wasn't go to let the cash cow go without a good milking. I already covered slavery. The anti-war movement did what? Nixon got elected! They pissed off a lot of people like they do now. But the big picture is that technology is what drives social change, not malcontents creating a nuisance or the lofty ideals of progressives.

Nice cherry-picking.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

...you attacking me over me explaining that tax rates have nothing to do with free markets...

But you've NOT explained it... you just keep spewing it out your pie hole like it's some kind of a truth! Again... tax rates on earned income have EVERYTHING to do with free markets because that is precisely how EVERY small business in America reports their earnings. You living in total denial of that fact is not you explaining something, moron... and it never will be. It's you demonstrating you don't know what the **** you're talking about and sounding more and more like Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton than ANY free market Conservative!

You made the claim that tax rates are part of the free market, you should explain it, or the very least you should provide a link. You just keep spewing it out your pie hole like it's some kind of a truth! You want me to disprove your inane claims when you haven't even proven yours to begin with?

Free Market Definition | Investopedia

In simple terms, a free market is a summary term for an array of exchanges that take place in society. Each exchange is a voluntary agreement between two parties who trade in the form of goods and services. In reality, this is the extent to which a free market exists since there will always be government intervention in the form of taxes, price controls and restrictions that prevent new competitors from entering a market. Just like supply-side economics, free market is a term used to describe a political or ideological viewpoint on policy and is not a field within economics.

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Tax rates have nothing to do with the free market (a voluntary agreement between two parties who trade in the form of goods and services). Do you like Adam Smith? Have you ever read Wealth of Nations? What about Hayek? Here is a link about Economic Freedom and the Free Market: Economic freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The free market viewpoint defines economic liberty as the freedom to produce, trade and consume any goods and services acquired without the use of force, fraud or theft. This is embodied in the rule of law, property rights and freedom of contract, and characterized by external and internal openness of the markets, the protection of property rights and freedom of economic initiative.​

A small business reports their earnings? SMFH, Small business file tax forms showing their profit and loss, they do so under the title of Sole proprietor, Partnership, S Corp, or LLC's. They only pay taxes on their NET INCOME.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwj2wLuYzcnMAhUO0WMKHel0C-gQFggrMAI&url=https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/files/PARTICIPANT_GUIDE_TAX_PLANNING.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH2AcpQ7mHi65lr3-yfaVfzPaNd_w&cad=rja

Your business structure impacts your income tax payments and the forms you use when you file your taxes. For example, partnerships, sole proprietorships, S-corporation and limited liability companies are not taxed separately on business profits. Instead, the profits "pass through" the businesses to their owners, who report business income or losses on their personal tax returns. A C-corporation is the only type of business that must pay its own income taxes on profits.​

Again you seem to be confusing small business with actual large corporations. I own a small business, you obviously haven't the first clue as to how small business taxes are filed. You also don't seem to adept in knowing what the Free Market actually is since you claim to be a libertarian, (On social issues, I am not liberal, I am a libertarian,), or for that matter what a free market Conservative actually is, a free market conservative should be arguing to reduce government spending and lessen the tax burden, which is exactly what Trump has suggested.

 

[kaz]

I am sure there are a lot of very disappointed conservatives out there who are just throwing up their hands today and saying... well, now what? Trump is the GOP nominee and once again, Conservative voters are left in the lurch without a candidate to support for president of the United States. Today, we're having to endure the sickening gloating of the Trump brigade as they parade around on their victory lap, taking their final pot shots and being the smug and arrogant assholes they've learned to be under their leader.

Fear not, the battle may be over but the war rages on. This isn't over by a damn sight and it won't be over regardless of who wins in November. Our focus must now shift to the congressional races where we stand to make great headway in the house and senate. Now more than ever, our strength and resolve becomes crucial. We can't abandon this fight... not now... not ever. We've suffered a setback, that's for sure. It hurts, I know. But we have to press on for the sake of our children, our grandchildren and this country we love so much.

Naturally, we want to know what went wrong. How did we end up on the short end of the stick in this primary which started with such high hopes? The answer is not simple but it can be summed up easily. The establishment GOP is getting their just rewards for abandoning conservative values. Us conservatives would have liked for that to have come in the form of a new conservative revival and for the first time in 40 years, a conservative choice for president. We came close but no one could have estimated the level of anger from those who are simply fed up with politics as usual in Washington. Too many were simply so fed up they weren't willing to give anyone a chance with a message other than "burn the place to the ground and shake it to the foundation because we're fed up." They didn't really care about messages, they just wanted someone who isn't a political insider because that's all they believe they can trust now. And... some of this can be blamed on actual conservatives who were sent to Washington to change things then abandoned their conservatism.

So maybe this is for the best... maybe we needed this? Granted, it's not what seems the best... it's worse than taking a dose of bad tasting medicine. But maybe we need to get this out of our system so we can return to a clean slate and then start to rebuild a true and strong coalition of conservative values? Once the real Donald Trump becomes known, there will be many who regret their choice. He may or may not defeat Hillary in November and some of us may feel obligated to support him even though he makes their blood boil. I can't tell you what is the right thing to do because I think it's a personal decision you'll have to make.

For me personally, I am not ready to support Donald Trump. I think he needs to unify this party and to do so he needs to advance core conservative principles. It's not our obligation to abandon our beliefs and move toward him, it's his duty as the GOP nominee to reassure the base that we can be united under principles we can all be proud to support in November. If he can't do that or his ego won't let him do that, or his supporters refuse to embrace such a concept, they will do so at their own peril. Clearly, this is out of the control of conservatives now, we can't do anything about what Trump does going forward, that's entirely his prerogative. But there are millions and millions of American conservative voters who are listening and waiting for a reason they should vote for this man in November.

Forget about Trumps antagonistic and frenzied base of supporters... they really don't matter here. What they have to say doesn't matter. They are all giddy with excitement like they just won the championship football game and full of beans. They have already demonstrated they will support Trump no matter what he says or how many times he transitions from one side of a position to another. It's a proven quantity and we know that. What matters is what Trump does. He can either continue to alienate conservatives or he can attempt to bring them into the big tent. The course he takes will have a tremendous effect on his general election bid.

I think it's time to realize you're Custer and the cavalry isn't coming ...

 

[skye]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Make America Mexico again"

That is precious!!!!

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Boss- I am also a conservative, and I believe the single biggest event that has negatively effected this country is the 17th amendment. It essential diverted state power to the federal government. Without addressing this issue, you are trying to fix a squeaky axle but ignoring the square wheels.

Instead, today's Republicans concern themselves with social issues like abortion (settled issue) while catering to the religious right who demonize the LGBTQ community. Meanwhile republican congressional leaders let BO run over them with executive orders.

What is worth saving about the Republican Party?

I agree on the 17th Amendment. I would love to see it repealed in our lifetime. On social issues, I am not liberal, I am a libertarian, but I I am very much pro-life and I disagree with the "settled law" argument... slavery was also "settled law" and that did not make slavery alright. I will continue to stand up and fight for basic human and constitutional rights for humans who do not have a political voice. I will go to my grave not being the least bit ashamed of that. You want to stand up for the rights of a special interest group.... how about the unborn? How about we stop "demonizing" those who stand up for them instead of sex perverts and deviants? How about we stand up for religious liberty, like our founders intended?

Republicans are NOT CONSERVATIVES... If we have learned anything in this election, it is that. From where I sit, there really isn't anything left worth saving about the Republican party. The "establishment" is done... but have you noticed how very few Republicans admit they are "establishment" these days?

Great point, very few Reps want to be identified as insider establishment. In fact, I think Ted Cruz is a victim of that sentiment when in fact he is the closest thing to bucking the establishment from the RNC. Ironic tragedy for him.

I think the rhetoric regarding " perverts and sexual deviants" does not serve your position.

Slavery was far from settled law in the sense of abortion. It was discussed from the time of the constitution as an unsettled issue, and I don't believe there was ever a Supreme Court ruling supporting slavery as there has been for abortion rights. Slavery is not a good analogy in my opinion.

Regarding the 17th Amendment, there is growing support for an amendment for congressional term limits. It is sad that people will get behind a band aide treatment rather than confronting the real cause that has created these political lifers.

28th Amendment - Term Limits for Congress

Always respect your post Boss.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Poor thing, can't even go to the link and read/watch Trump's own words.

Oh, I have. Nothing but soundbites claiming to be flip flops, got to love politics. SMFH

So Trump's own words contradicting himself are sound bites? Good God, you've lost it.

Trumps own words? The video from your link doesn't show any flip flops. In fact the Megan Kelly question regarding "high skilled workers" she was referring to Trump wanting to keep F Visa Students here verse sending them back. Megan tried to play a gotcha with it by inferring H1B visas, but oh well.

They show nine different videos plus the text of his ever contradicting positions.

1. H-1B visas are bad for American workers.

Trump's immigration plan was published on his website in July: it opposed the H-1B program, which allows non-immigrant visas for specialty occupations, arguing then that it was bad for American workers.

2. H-1B visas are good.

At the CNBC debate in October, Trump denied that he'd been critical about the program. "I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley," he said.

3. H-1B visas are still bad, according to Trump's unchanged website.

At the Fox News debate on March 3, some five months later, Fox News host Megyn Kelly pressed Trump on which of these conflicting views he supports.

4. H-1B visas are necessary: 'I'm changing.'

"I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have. So we do need highly skilled," he said.

5. H-1B visas are definitely bad.

His campaign later released a statement reversing this shortly after the March 3 debate ended.

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: These are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay," Trump wrote in a statement. "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

He reaffirmed this position in the GOP debate on March 10, one week later, vowing to end the program that he noted he uses himself as a businessman.

They're: bad, no good, no bad, hmm not sure changing, changing, no they're bad, they're bad and I'll end them ... even though I use them.


lol, flip flop. Oh, and he's a hypocrite too.

Do you even know what the F visa is and Trumps position on it? Those are the ones he was talking about keeping here and working in Silicon Valley. And as I stated Megan Kelly tried to play gotcha with her question, referring to H1B visas when Trump had already stated a position on them and claimed to have used them.

It doesn't take much research to understand or comprehend what and who Trump was talking about. You want to call it a flip flop, that's your choice, reality says otherwise. Again you offer nothing but soundbites and claim them to be flip flops. :YAWN:

Here's the complete quote showing Trump talking about the F visas and not the H1B visa:

"We're losing some of the most talented people. They go to Harvard; they go to Yale; they go to Princeton. They come from another country and they are immediately sent out. I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley."​

So now the context of your quote has completely changed as to whom Trump was talking about. You see H1B visas are work visas for people who come simply for the job, they didn't go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, those would be F visa holders, i.e. Foreign Students.

Ah yeah, except no. Kelly wasn't playing any 'gotcha' questioning. She was referring to H1B visas, which apparently you are confused about. The only one referring to F visas is you.

"The H1B Visa is the primary US work visa / permit made available to people from all over the world.

The US Government introduced the H1B visa program to offer and enable skilled International Professionals and International Students from all over the World the opportunity to live and work in the USA."

H1B Visa Learning Center | H1B Visa Requirements - Latest H1B Rules and Procedures - H1B Visa Fees - H1B Visa Transfer - H1B Visa Status - H1B Stamping - H1B Visa 2013 (fy2014) - H1B Visa Quota - H1B Cap - H1B Sponsors 2013 - H1B Jobs - H1B Premium Processing - H1B Visa Occupations - H1B Visa Rules - H1 Visa - H1B - H1-B - H-1B - h1 2013

When Kelly asked Trump about "highly skilled workers" she was referring to the H1B visa not F visa. Because if she was talking about H1B visas and Trump was talking about F Visas, surely Trump would have corrected her when she asked about "highly skilled workers", that you claim do not utilize the H1B. Right?


Now that we've gotten your bullshit out of the way . . .

From Trump's website:

"Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees (my note: these are highly skilled workers, correct?) each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program."

Immigration Reform

Again, from Trumps own website, the H1B visa is for high skilled workers jobs.

But wait! The Donald isn't so sure.

From Trump's website:

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay."

SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP

Huh! On Trump's website, and on the H1B Visa website, it says (correctly) that H1B visas ARE for highly skilled workers. But on Trump's website Trump says the H1B visa IS NOT for highly skilled workers. Imagine that, he ... he... he flip flopped! Well, technically he lied. Or did he misspeak? Well, you can call it whatever you want.

So, which is it? Highly skilled workers are hired through the H1B program, as noted on the H1B and Trump website, or the H1B program is not for hiring highly skilled workers, as stated on Trumps press release?

Though I doubt you will read this, you should. It shows where Trump is flip flopping on this issue. I'll just post the last bit for you.

"Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He has used the H-1B program as an employer, and supports bringing talented, educated workers into the country. But he also wants to end the H-1B program because he believes it’s full of abuse. He proposes restricting the program so that the industry that most relies on it —– the tech industry — can’t use it to shut Americans out from jobs in Silicon Valley. Yet he says he supports Silicon Valley taking measures to retain talented and educated foreign workers."

Donald Trump flip-flops, then flips and flops more on H-1B visas

As you can see, Trump used the H1B visa himself (even though he has also said that it's very bad for workers but hey, it's there so, what principles?), and wants to bring in talented people into the country, then he says he wants to end the H1B because it's full of abuse, then he says he wants to restrict it to the tech industry but also says he support the tech industry taking measures to retain these H1B visa foreign workers.

 

[Indeependent]

Oh, I have. Nothing but soundbites claiming to be flip flops, got to love politics. SMFH

So Trump's own words contradicting himself are sound bites? Good God, you've lost it.

Trumps own words? The video from your link doesn't show any flip flops. In fact the Megan Kelly question regarding "high skilled workers" she was referring to Trump wanting to keep F Visa Students here verse sending them back. Megan tried to play a gotcha with it by inferring H1B visas, but oh well.

They show nine different videos plus the text of his ever contradicting positions.

1. H-1B visas are bad for American workers.

Trump's immigration plan was published on his website in July: it opposed the H-1B program, which allows non-immigrant visas for specialty occupations, arguing then that it was bad for American workers.

2. H-1B visas are good.

At the CNBC debate in October, Trump denied that he'd been critical about the program. "I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley," he said.

3. H-1B visas are still bad, according to Trump's unchanged website.

At the Fox News debate on March 3, some five months later, Fox News host Megyn Kelly pressed Trump on which of these conflicting views he supports.

4. H-1B visas are necessary: 'I'm changing.'

"I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have. So we do need highly skilled," he said.

5. H-1B visas are definitely bad.

His campaign later released a statement reversing this shortly after the March 3 debate ended.

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: These are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay," Trump wrote in a statement. "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

He reaffirmed this position in the GOP debate on March 10, one week later, vowing to end the program that he noted he uses himself as a businessman.

They're: bad, no good, no bad, hmm not sure changing, changing, no they're bad, they're bad and I'll end them ... even though I use them.


lol, flip flop. Oh, and he's a hypocrite too.

Do you even know what the F visa is and Trumps position on it? Those are the ones he was talking about keeping here and working in Silicon Valley. And as I stated Megan Kelly tried to play gotcha with her question, referring to H1B visas when Trump had already stated a position on them and claimed to have used them.

It doesn't take much research to understand or comprehend what and who Trump was talking about. You want to call it a flip flop, that's your choice, reality says otherwise. Again you offer nothing but soundbites and claim them to be flip flops. :YAWN:

Here's the complete quote showing Trump talking about the F visas and not the H1B visa:

"We're losing some of the most talented people. They go to Harvard; they go to Yale; they go to Princeton. They come from another country and they are immediately sent out. I am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in Silicon Valley."​

So now the context of your quote has completely changed as to whom Trump was talking about. You see H1B visas are work visas for people who come simply for the job, they didn't go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, those would be F visa holders, i.e. Foreign Students.

Ah yeah, except no. Kelly wasn't playing any 'gotcha' questioning. She was referring to H1B visas, which apparently you are confused about. The only one referring to F visas is you.

"The H1B Visa is the primary US work visa / permit made available to people from all over the world.

The US Government introduced the H1B visa program to offer and enable skilled International Professionals and International Students from all over the World the opportunity to live and work in the USA."

H1B Visa Learning Center | H1B Visa Requirements - Latest H1B Rules and Procedures - H1B Visa Fees - H1B Visa Transfer - H1B Visa Status - H1B Stamping - H1B Visa 2013 (fy2014) - H1B Visa Quota - H1B Cap - H1B Sponsors 2013 - H1B Jobs - H1B Premium Processing - H1B Visa Occupations - H1B Visa Rules - H1 Visa - H1B - H1-B - H-1B - h1 2013

When Kelly asked Trump about "highly skilled workers" she was referring to the H1B visa not F visa. Because if she was talking about H1B visas and Trump was talking about F Visas, surely Trump would have corrected her when she asked about "highly skilled workers", that you claim do not utilize the H1B. Right?


Now that we've gotten your bullshit out of the way . . .

From Trump's website:

"Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees (my note: these are highly skilled workers, correct?) each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program."

Immigration Reform

Again, from Trumps own website, the H1B visa is for high skilled workers jobs.

But wait! The Donald isn't so sure.

From Trump's website:

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay."

SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP

Huh! On Trump's website, and on the H1B Visa website, it says (correctly) that H1B visas ARE for highly skilled workers. But on Trump's website Trump says the H1B visa IS NOT for highly skilled workers. Imagine that, he ... he... he flip flopped! Well, technically he lied. Or did he misspeak? Well, you can call it whatever you want.

So, which is it? Highly skilled workers are hired through the H1B program, as noted on the H1B and Trump website, or the H1B program is not for hiring highly skilled workers, as stated on Trumps press release?

Though I doubt you will read this, you should. It shows where Trump is flip flopping on this issue. I'll just post the last bit for you.

"Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He has used the H-1B program as an employer, and supports bringing talented, educated workers into the country. But he also wants to end the H-1B program because he believes it’s full of abuse. He proposes restricting the program so that the industry that most relies on it —– the tech industry — can’t use it to shut Americans out from jobs in Silicon Valley. Yet he says he supports Silicon Valley taking measures to retain talented and educated foreign workers."

Donald Trump flip-flops, then flips and flops more on H-1B visas

As you can see, Trump used the H1B visa himself (even though he has also said that it's very bad for workers but hey, it's there so, what principles?), and wants to bring in talented people into the country, then he says he wants to end the H1B because it's full of abuse, then he says he wants to restrict it to the tech industry but also says he support the tech industry taking measures to retain these H1B visa foreign workers.

Trump is exposing the FACT that H1-Bs are brought here under FALSE pretenses.
They provides super cheap labor and the overwhelming number of them lack the skills-set that they SUPOOSEDLY possesses.
They come and learn ON THE JOB.
After 6 years they get their Green Cards, get laid off and enjoy the benefits of Welfare and Food Stamps.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Trump is exposing the FACT that H1-Bs are brought here under FALSE pretenses.
They provides super cheap labor and the overwhelming number of them lack the skills-set that they SUPOOSEDLY possesses.
They come and learn ON THE JOB.
After 6 years they get their Green Cards, get laid off and enjoy the benefits of Welfare and Food Stamps.

Yes and H1Bs also bring in the high skilled workers as well. If it's a gov't program I've no doubt it's got problems. Point is, Trump has flipped on his position on H1Bs, in addition to putting out wrong information on his own website.