Conservative v. Liberal: Got to stop this

[P F Tinmore]

People don't realize the whole conservative vs liberal thing is a huge distraction. The two political parties put the citizens against one another-because if the citizens actually got together-all of them would be out of office right away. Why do you think when there's a 3rd party, or strong independent in politics-the Republicans and Democrats both work at nipping them in the butt right away?

Neither the Democrats or Republicans care about you, me, or any of us on here. They both care about one thing: power (and keeping it). That's all. It's why all politicians (there are a few exceptions), always seem to be in election mode, and looking to score political points-rather than govern in accordance of their constituents.

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[Cecilie1200]

So I noticed people take sides along ideological lines, and are not so compromising about it. This simply put has to stop. Unless the goal of some is to see most not benefit from living in civilization.

Essentially this liberal vs. conservative thing is and always has been crap fed to us to keep us in the dark about what really is going on. We are being treated as mushrooms. I mean not the good sauteed ones either.

I really want to ask this, but am afraid that maybe it will fall on deaf ears. When will we stop this and wake up?

I understand part of this has to do with people not able to understand one another, but if this is the case we must find a way for that to be possible.

This Conservative v. Liberal thing is simply a distraction.
I am sure I am not the first and not the last person who will be saying.

Why?

Should the people who opposed slavery simply have shut up and let it continue in order to prove that they know how to get along in civilization? You are certainly not the firs, and will probably not be the last, person to fall into the trap that ideology is a bad thing. Don't feel bad about it.

You know, our Founding Fathers actually DID put aside their ideological differences on slavery and compromise in order to get the Constitution written and ratified, and defer the issue to be solved later. And people have been bitching about it and criticizing them for it ever since. Not exactly the most ringing endorsement for the whole "all that matters is compromising on SOMETHING" argument.

 

[Avatar4321]

how do you stop protecting yourself against lies?

when did you start?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You are so wrong. Democrats are a coalition party. Republicans work very hard to "muddy the waters", but the truth is the majority of Democrats get their money from regular Americans. The Republicans are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Now Republicans can rant and whine all they want that this is not true, but legislation presented by the two sides tell the real truth.

Democrats want to regulate Wall Street. Stop policies, such as "speculation" and the terrible practice behind "derivatives", Republicans want to do the opposite. Those can't be denied.

Democrats want to reign in insurance companies who are raping the middle class. Republicans want to make it easier for them to rape.

Democrats want to stop subsidies and tax breaks for big companies, Republicans want to do the opposite. Anyone who has watched the news or read a paper in the last 2 months knows this to be true.

The Conservative/Republican Supreme Court made it possible for companies with offices here in the US to spend unlimited money in our presidential elections. Anyone who says they spend more than a small percentage on Democrats is lying.

This is how Republicans muddy the water. Employees bundle money from fundraising and when they give it to Democratic candidates, they say it's from the company they work at. Every company does this. But the money is coming from the people that work there NOT the company itself. Republicans, even though they know the difference, even though it's something a 10 year old can understand, they insist there is no difference.

What the Republican leadership has accomplished is to convince their base the country would be better off under the control of companies with a Profit Motive rather than a government made up of our neighbors we vote into office.

The absolute worst lie is when they say the two parties, one, 90% white, mostly uneducated and mostly Christian is exactly the same as a party made up of everyone else. That brings the Democrats down to the level of the Right Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabirthers. Not a good comparison.

You are so blinded by partisanship that facts are most likely irrelevant.

First of all, your perpetuation of some stereotypical Gordon Gecko-like Republican party. In reality the Democratic party receives much more money from Wall Street than Republicans.

Let's compare Obama's top five donors with McCain's during the 2008 presidential campaign.

First, Obama:

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132

Now McCain:

Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107

Obama is setting the president of billion-dollar presidential campaign, deriving the majority of those funds from large corporations, contributions that have thus far dwarfed any given to a Republican candidates. Contrast that to someone like Ron Paul whose majority, over 80%, of contributions are under $100.

You are so misguided and naive to believe that your beloved Democratic party is untouched by the influences of corporate America, which is insightful to the extend of your bias.

You need to do a little more investigation. This is what I was talking about Republicans muddying the waters. The money that went to Obama came from the people that are employed by those companies. The money that went to McCain came from the companies themselves. Try to reason out the difference.

You should do a little yourself. The money was donated to both campaigns in the names of various individuals, some of whom never even knew they had made a donation. That is THE WAY THINGS WORK.

 

[rdean]

You are so blinded by partisanship that facts are most likely irrelevant.

First of all, your perpetuation of some stereotypical Gordon Gecko-like Republican party. In reality the Democratic party receives much more money from Wall Street than Republicans.

Let's compare Obama's top five donors with McCain's during the 2008 presidential campaign.

First, Obama:

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132

Now McCain:

Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107

Obama is setting the president of billion-dollar presidential campaign, deriving the majority of those funds from large corporations, contributions that have thus far dwarfed any given to a Republican candidates. Contrast that to someone like Ron Paul whose majority, over 80%, of contributions are under $100.

You are so misguided and naive to believe that your beloved Democratic party is untouched by the influences of corporate America, which is insightful to the extend of your bias.

You need to do a little more investigation. This is what I was talking about Republicans muddying the waters. The money that went to Obama came from the people that are employed by those companies. The money that went to McCain came from the companies themselves. Try to reason out the difference.

Document that assertion please

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again? You know the right only believes what wants to believe. I just posted a rebuttal to someone writing about Acorn. They didn't mention that illegally registered voters never voted or the heavily edited and made up video. Because they don't care. How many still believe Obama took a 200 million dollar a day trip?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You need to do a little more investigation. This is what I was talking about Republicans muddying the waters. The money that went to Obama came from the people that are employed by those companies. The money that went to McCain came from the companies themselves. Try to reason out the difference.

Document that assertion please

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again? You know the right only believes what wants to believe. I just posted a rebuttal to someone writing about Acorn. They didn't mention that illegally registered voters never voted or the heavily edited and made up video. Because they don't care. How many still believe Obama took a 200 million dollar a day trip?

Allow me to translate this for the new guy.

I am rdean and everything I say is true, even the lies.

 

[TheBrain]

Document that assertion please

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again? You know the right only believes what wants to believe. I just posted a rebuttal to someone writing about Acorn. They didn't mention that illegally registered voters never voted or the heavily edited and made up video. Because they don't care. How many still believe Obama took a 200 million dollar a day trip?

Allow me to translate this for the new guy.

I am rdean and everything I say is true, even the lies.

RDean needs a Gibbs slap to the back of his head. Maybe that would wake him up.

 

[TheBrain]

You are so wrong. Democrats are a coalition party. Republicans work very hard to "muddy the waters", but the truth is the majority of Democrats get their money from regular Americans. The Republicans are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Now Republicans can rant and whine all they want that this is not true, but legislation presented by the two sides tell the real truth.

Democrats want to regulate Wall Street. Stop policies, such as "speculation" and the terrible practice behind "derivatives", Republicans want to do the opposite. Those can't be denied.

Democrats want to reign in insurance companies who are raping the middle class. Republicans want to make it easier for them to rape.

Democrats want to stop subsidies and tax breaks for big companies, Republicans want to do the opposite. Anyone who has watched the news or read a paper in the last 2 months knows this to be true.

The Conservative/Republican Supreme Court made it possible for companies with offices here in the US to spend unlimited money in our presidential elections. Anyone who says they spend more than a small percentage on Democrats is lying.

This is how Republicans muddy the water. Employees bundle money from fundraising and when they give it to Democratic candidates, they say it's from the company they work at. Every company does this. But the money is coming from the people that work there NOT the company itself. Republicans, even though they know the difference, even though it's something a 10 year old can understand, they insist there is no difference.

What the Republican leadership has accomplished is to convince their base the country would be better off under the control of companies with a Profit Motive rather than a government made up of our neighbors we vote into office.

The absolute worst lie is when they say the two parties, one, 90% white, mostly uneducated and mostly Christian is exactly the same as a party made up of everyone else. That brings the Democrats down to the level of the Right Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabirthers. Not a good comparison.

You are so blinded by partisanship that facts are most likely irrelevant.

First of all, your perpetuation of some stereotypical Gordon Gecko-like Republican party. In reality the Democratic party receives much more money from Wall Street than Republicans.

Let's compare Obama's top five donors with McCain's during the 2008 presidential campaign.

First, Obama:

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132

Now McCain:

Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107

Obama is setting the president of billion-dollar presidential campaign, deriving the majority of those funds from large corporations, contributions that have thus far dwarfed any given to a Republican candidates. Contrast that to someone like Ron Paul whose majority, over 80%, of contributions are under $100.

You are so misguided and naive to believe that your beloved Democratic party is untouched by the influences of corporate America, which is insightful to the extend of your bias.

You need to do a little more investigation. This is what I was talking about Republicans muddying the waters. The money that went to Obama came from the people that are employed by those companies. The money that went to McCain came from the companies themselves. Try to reason out the difference.

Can you prove that all you little *****? Maybe you can find an eHow link..


what a dipshit you are.

 

[American Horse]

You are so wrong. Democrats are a coalition party. Republicans work very hard to "muddy the waters", but the truth is the majority of Democrats get their money from regular Americans. The Republicans are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Now Republicans can rant and whine all they want that this is not true, but legislation presented by the two sides tell the real truth.

Democrats want to regulate Wall Street. Stop policies, such as "speculation" and the terrible practice behind "derivatives", Republicans want to do the opposite. Those can't be denied.

Democrats want to reign in insurance companies who are raping the middle class. Republicans want to make it easier for them to rape.

Democrats want to stop subsidies and tax breaks for big companies, Republicans want to do the opposite. Anyone who has watched the news or read a paper in the last 2 months knows this to be true.

The Conservative/Republican Supreme Court made it possible for companies with offices here in the US to spend unlimited money in our presidential elections. Anyone who says they spend more than a small percentage on Democrats is lying.

This is how Republicans muddy the water. Employees bundle money from fundraising and when they give it to Democratic candidates, they say it's from the company they work at. Every company does this. But the money is coming from the people that work there NOT the company itself. Republicans, even though they know the difference, even though it's something a 10 year old can understand, they insist there is no difference.

What the Republican leadership has accomplished is to convince their base the country would be better off under the control of companies with a Profit Motive rather than a government made up of our neighbors we vote into office.

The absolute worst lie is when they say the two parties, one, 90% white, mostly uneducated and mostly Christian is exactly the same as a party made up of everyone else. That brings the Democrats down to the level of the Right Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabirthers. Not a good comparison.

You of course meant to say that Democrats pretend they give a shit about minorities, but really they are just using them.

Who is "using them", Teabrain? The Democratic Party is made up of minorities.

Yeah, each with a tight grip on its balls.

 

[TheBrain]

just checking in to see if RDean offered any proof

 

[Cecilie1200]

Document that assertion please

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again? You know the right only believes what wants to believe. I just posted a rebuttal to someone writing about Acorn. They didn't mention that illegally registered voters never voted or the heavily edited and made up video. Because they don't care. How many still believe Obama took a 200 million dollar a day trip?

Allow me to translate this for the new guy.

I am rdean and everything I say is true, even the lies.

And rdean finds it much easier to "wearily" object to being asked to source himself "again" than to ever actually source himself.

 

[bripat9643]

Why are you such an angry little person?

I've met to many useless destructive morons like you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

So I noticed people take sides along ideological lines, and are not so compromising about it. This simply put has to stop. Unless the goal of some is to see most not benefit from living in civilization.

Essentially this liberal vs. conservative thing is and always has been crap fed to us to keep us in the dark about what really is going on. We are being treated as mushrooms. I mean not the good sauteed ones either.

I really want to ask this, but am afraid that maybe it will fall on deaf ears. When will we stop this and wake up?

I understand part of this has to do with people not able to understand one another, but if this is the case we must find a way for that to be possible.

This Conservative v. Liberal thing is simply a distraction.
I am sure I am not the first and not the last person who will be saying.

You are so wrong. Democrats are a coalition party. Republicans work very hard to "muddy the waters", but the truth is the majority of Democrats get their money from regular Americans. The Republicans are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Now Republicans can rant and whine all they want that this is not true, but legislation presented by the two sides tell the real truth.

Democrats want to regulate Wall Street. Stop policies, such as "speculation" and the terrible practice behind "derivatives", Republicans want to do the opposite. Those can't be denied.

Democrats want to reign in insurance companies who are raping the middle class. Republicans want to make it easier for them to rape.

Democrats want to stop subsidies and tax breaks for big companies, Republicans want to do the opposite. Anyone who has watched the news or read a paper in the last 2 months knows this to be true.

The Conservative/Republican Supreme Court made it possible for companies with offices here in the US to spend unlimited money in our presidential elections. Anyone who says they spend more than a small percentage on Democrats is lying.

This is how Republicans muddy the water. Employees bundle money from fundraising and when they give it to Democratic candidates, they say it's from the company they work at. Every company does this. But the money is coming from the people that work there NOT the company itself. Republicans, even though they know the difference, even though it's something a 10 year old can understand, they insist there is no difference.

What the Republican leadership has accomplished is to convince their base the country would be better off under the control of companies with a Profit Motive rather than a government made up of our neighbors we vote into office.

The absolute worst lie is when they say the two parties, one, 90% white, mostly uneducated and mostly Christian is exactly the same as a party made up of everyone else. That brings the Democrats down to the level of the Right Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabirthers. Not a good comparison.

you know Dean.....if i had a buck for each time you spout this shit i would be able to retire quite comfortably....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You of course meant to say that Democrats pretend they give a shit about minorities, but really they are just using them.

Who is "using them", Teabrain? The Democratic Party is made up of minorities.

the "leaders" are the rich among your kind Dean.....and yes they use minorities.....they manipulate the Latinos out here quite nicely thank you....and even the blacks are wising up....

The Raw Story | African American disaffection with Democrats growing
The Racist History of the Democratic Party
Stephen A. Smith: Democrats take black people for granted | The Right Scoop
How Blacks can stop Democrats from taking them for granted… : ThyBlackMan.com

 

[Harry Dresden]

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again? You know the right only believes what wants to believe. I just posted a rebuttal to someone writing about Acorn. They didn't mention that illegally registered voters never voted or the heavily edited and made up video. Because they don't care. How many still believe Obama took a 200 million dollar a day trip?

Again? How many times to I have to post the same links over and over again?

so what?.....look at how many times you have repeated that same tired old story about the makeup of both parties.....you do that on your own....

You know the right only believes what wants to believe.

one can say the same about you Dean......and im still waiting for you to answer my question that YOU yourself asked me to ask in another Thread that you kinda disappeared from......just sayin.....

 

[whitehall]

So I noticed people take sides along ideological lines, and are not so compromising about it. This simply put has to stop. Unless the goal of some is to see most not benefit from living in civilization.

Essentially this liberal vs. conservative thing is and always has been crap fed to us to keep us in the dark about what really is going on. We are being treated as mushrooms. I mean not the good sauteed ones either.

I really want to ask this, but am afraid that maybe it will fall on deaf ears. When will we stop this and wake up?

I understand part of this has to do with people not able to understand one another, but if this is the case we must find a way for that to be possible.

This Conservative v. Liberal thing is simply a distraction.
I am sure I am not the first and not the last person who will be saying.

You got it wrong. The bi-partisan thing has always been crap fed to us to keep us in the dark. There ain't a single thing wrong with a person who has ideological beliefs that he or she is not willing to compromise. A wishy washy "moderate" who ain't got a substantial thought in his head is a menace.

 

[Avatar4321]

You got it wrong. The bi-partisan thing has always been crap fed to us to keep us in the dark. There ain't a single thing wrong with a person who has ideological beliefs that he or she is not willing to compromise. A wishy washy "moderate" who ain't got a substantial thought in his head is a menace.

Bipartisanship (n.) - "When politicians from both Republican and Democratic parties join together to screw the American people."

 

[liebuster]

Who is "using them", Teabrain? The Democratic Party is made up of minorities.

You meant to say that the democratic party is made up of special interest groups.

Blacks, hispanics, elderly, gays, unions, enviromental wackos, etc, etc.

The only reason they vote for dems is because they think they are going to get their "special interest" granted by them.

 

[Google]

You need to do a little more investigation. This is what I was talking about Republicans muddying the waters. The money that went to Obama came from the people that are employed by those companies. The money that went to McCain came from the companies themselves. Try to reason out the difference.

If you don't understand the fact that this administration has more ties to Goldman Sachs and Wallstreet than anyother previous administration, then it is you that needs to do more investigation. Timothy Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, Gary Gensler, Mark Patterson, hell even Elan Kagan all have direct ties to Goldman Sachs.

 

[rdean]

Who is "using them", Teabrain? The Democratic Party is made up of minorities.

You meant to say that the democratic party is made up of special interest groups.

Blacks, hispanics, elderly, gays, unions, enviromental wackos, etc, etc.

The only reason they vote for dems is because they think they are going to get their "special interest" granted by them.

Blacks, Hispanics, the elderly, gays, unions and so on are "specialty groups"? Is that why the right wing "targets" them? Well, I got news for you. The Republican Party, being 90% white is the largest "special interest" group of all. Only they are for corporations and oil companies, NOT for themselves, and certainly not for America. Hilarious.