Conservative Feudalism

[Ernie S.]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Please support your (bolded by me) claims with facts.

No. I'm not going to do your work for you.

You made the claims. It IS your job to support them.

 

[daveman]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Please support your (bolded by me) claims with facts.

No. I'm not going to do your work for you.

Then your claims are baseless, and therefore dismissed.

 

[Old Rocks]

They are incurious so they don't investigate what Murdoch or CNBC tell them and they base their lives on works of fiction (Rand)

A work of fiction by an insane woman that thought the ideal of manhood was represented by a hideous murderer of a 12 year old girl.

 

[OODA_Loop]

nature is objectivist

 

[AmericanFirst]

They are incurious so they don't investigate what Murdoch or CNBC tell them and they base their lives on works of fiction (Rand)

They are sheep.

Conservative oppose the following:

Social spending" otherwise known as "redistribution". While they don't mind tax dollars being used for killing people, using their taxes to feed people is "stealing".

Minimum wage laws.

Every piece of legislation ever proposed to improve working conditions, including the eight hour day, OSHA regulations, and even Child Labor laws.

Labor unions, who "extort" employers by collectively bargaining.

Environmental regulations and the EPA.

Federal support and federal standards for public education.

Civil rights legislation. There are still cheap-labor conservatives today, who were staunch defenders of "Jim Crow" - including conspicuously Buckley's National Review. Apparently, federal laws ending segregation were "tyranny", but segregation itself was not.

Public broadcasting - which is virtually the only source for classical music, opera, traditional theatre, traditional American music. This from the people constantly braying about the decay of "the culture". The average cost of Public Television for each American is a whopping one dollar a year. "It's tyranny I tell you. Enough's enough!"

See the pattern? Cheap-labor conservatives support every coercive and oppressive function of government, but call it "tyranny" if government does something for you - using their money, for Chrissake.

You seem to be the sheep here.
Is Sergey Brin a have or have not? He is one of the richest men in AMerica. Of course 30 years ago he was a struggling kid. Most of the wealthy in America got that way by working hard. They certainly stay that way by working hard. WHen was the last time you saw an Astor or Vanderbilt in the top 30 richest people?

The lefty idiots only want to get rich off of some else's money and doesn't want to work for it themselves.

 

[The Rabbi]

Progressivism is the politics of envy and greed for something that doesn't belong to them.

 

[Si modo]

They are incurious so they don't investigate what Murdoch or CNBC tell them and they base their lives on works of fiction (Rand)

They are sheep.

Conservative oppose the following:

Social spending" otherwise known as "redistribution". While they don't mind tax dollars being used for killing people, using their taxes to feed people is "stealing".

Minimum wage laws.

Every piece of legislation ever proposed to improve working conditions, including the eight hour day, OSHA regulations, and even Child Labor laws.

Labor unions, who "extort" employers by collectively bargaining.

Environmental regulations and the EPA.

Federal support and federal standards for public education.

Civil rights legislation. There are still cheap-labor conservatives today, who were staunch defenders of "Jim Crow". Apparently, federal laws ending segregation were "tyranny", but segregation itself was not.

Public broadcasting - which is virtually the only source for classical music, opera, traditional theatre, traditional American music. This from the people constantly braying about the decay of "the culture". The average cost of Public Television for each American is a whopping one dollar a year. "It's tyranny I tell you. Enough's enough!"

See the pattern? Cheap-labor conservatives support every coercive and oppressive function of government, but call it "tyranny" if government does something for you - using their money, for Chrissake.

Post after post is your arguing with shit you make up in your head.

Not just in this thread, either. It's what you do.

 

[Si modo]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Please support your (bolded by me) claims with facts.

No. I'm not going to do your work for you.

It's not his work to do. It's your burden.

 

[Wiseacre]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Every bit of this is total nonsense, all of it.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Every bit of this is total nonsense, all of it.

It's the conservative view, own it.

 

[daveman]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Every bit of this is total nonsense, all of it.

It's the conservative view, own it.

No, it's the leftist distortion of the conservative view.

 

[Si modo]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Every bit of this is total nonsense, all of it.

It's the conservative view, own it.

No. It's your delusion; you are arguing with your delusion. It's not just a strawman, though; it's a pathology.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of "haves" and "have nots". They disguise it in sound bites as "less government" and "personal responsibility" with lots of flag waving.

Right wing ideology is "dime-store economics" , cheap labor is their catch phrase. They are "cheap labor" conservatives. They don't like social spending. They want you over a barrel to work cheap or starve. They don't like a minimum wage. Why? So you can work cheap because you're over a barrel.

Unemployment was 23 percent when FDR took office in 1933. It dropped to 2.5 percent by time the next Republican was in the White House in 1953. It climbed back to 6.5 percent by the end of the Eisenhower administration. It dropped to 3.5 percent by the time LBJ left office. It climbed over 5 percent shortly after Nixon took office, and stayed there for 27 years, until Clinton brought it down to 4.5 percent early in his second term.

That same period - especially from the late forties into the early seventies - was the "golden age" of the United States. We sent men to the moon. We built our Interstate Highway system. We ended segregation in the South and established Medicare. In those days, a single wage earner could support an entire family on his wages.

Cheap-labor Republicans have no problem at all opening the public purse for corporate interests, it's "social spending" on people who actually need assistance that they just "can't tolerate".

Why? Destitute people work cheaper.

Rdean couldn't have said it better! Was TruthMatters your research assistant?

 

[Wiseacre]

Conservatives lie about what they are doing. They are trying to destroy Social Security while claiming they mean to save it. They have to lie, because no one with any sense, or any concern for our nation, would want them to succeed at destroying it.

They make up reasons why any proposed national health insurance plan will fail, because they do not want one to succeed.

They claim they want to stop abortion "to save lives" while instituting programs that are known to increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

They empty our treasury and cut taxes to the rich while claiming to "improve" our economy.

They construct a program of theocracy while claiming it's in aid of "freedom of religion".

They claim to be "Constitutional constructionists" while stripping the Constitution of any meaning.

They restrict our travel and threaten to remove our citizenship for political reasons while claiming to "protect our freedoms".

And they say liberals hate America.

Every bit of this is total nonsense, all of it.

It's the conservative view, own it.

This is your opinion, not the conservative view. And you're a long way from reality here.

 

[Si modo]

Conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of "haves" and "have nots". They disguise it in sound bites as "less government" and "personal responsibility" with lots of flag waving.

Right wing ideology is "dime-store economics" , cheap labor is their catch phrase. They are "cheap labor" conservatives. They don't like social spending. They want you over a barrel to work cheap or starve. They don't like a minimum wage. Why? So you can work cheap because you're over a barrel.

Unemployment was 23 percent when FDR took office in 1933. It dropped to 2.5 percent by time the next Republican was in the White House in 1953. It climbed back to 6.5 percent by the end of the Eisenhower administration. It dropped to 3.5 percent by the time LBJ left office. It climbed over 5 percent shortly after Nixon took office, and stayed there for 27 years, until Clinton brought it down to 4.5 percent early in his second term.

That same period - especially from the late forties into the early seventies - was the "golden age" of the United States. We sent men to the moon. We built our Interstate Highway system. We ended segregation in the South and established Medicare. In those days, a single wage earner could support an entire family on his wages.

Cheap-labor Republicans have no problem at all opening the public purse for corporate interests, it's "social spending" on people who actually need assistance that they just "can't tolerate".

Why? Destitute people work cheaper.

Rdean couldn't have said it better! Was TruthMatters your research assistant?

 

[Sky Dancer]

Ideological flaws cripple the ability of conservatives to govern:

•Disdain for Government

•Free Market Fundamentalism

•Miscast Morality

•Security Racket

•Ends Justify The Means

 

[Si modo]

Ideological flaws cripple the ability of conservatives to govern:

•Disdain for Government

•Free Market Fundamentalism

•Miscast Morality

•Security Racket

•Ends Justify The Means

Strawmen, but your case, they're more accurately delusions.

 

[del]

still saving up for gas?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of "haves" and "have nots". They disguise it in sound bites as "less government" and "personal responsibility" with lots of flag waving.

Right wing ideology is "dime-store economics" , cheap labor is their catch phrase. They are "cheap labor" conservatives. They don't like social spending. They want you over a barrel to work cheap or starve. They don't like a minimum wage. Why? So you can work cheap because you're over a barrel.

Unemployment was 23 percent when FDR took office in 1933. It dropped to 2.5 percent by time the next Republican was in the White House in 1953. It climbed back to 6.5 percent by the end of the Eisenhower administration. It dropped to 3.5 percent by the time LBJ left office. It climbed over 5 percent shortly after Nixon took office, and stayed there for 27 years, until Clinton brought it down to 4.5 percent early in his second term.

That same period - especially from the late forties into the early seventies - was the "golden age" of the United States. We sent men to the moon. We built our Interstate Highway system. We ended segregation in the South and established Medicare. In those days, a single wage earner could support an entire family on his wages.

Cheap-labor Republicans have no problem at all opening the public purse for corporate interests, it's "social spending" on people who actually need assistance that they just "can't tolerate".

Why? Destitute people work cheaper.

You're wrong...

You know nothing about economics do you??

Basic capitalism is nothing more than microeconomics (not to be confused with macroeconomics)...

Really in theory Austrian economics are nothing more than microeconomics practiced on a larger scale...

Now on the other hand progressives WANT a dictated economy and that does not work - Keynesian economics is really nothing more than a dictated economy...

Economies cant be dictated by living beings because - at least with Austrian capitalism - the model dictates itself...

For example capitalism can only adjust progressively with a population while it grows day to day - the more population the more workers the more currency hence the more wealth hence the more GDP...

While those who wish to dictate an economy analyze monthly reports then make a decision how to manipulate...

Not to mention the currency and economic manipulators NEVER account for regional economics or differences in living standards...

The federal government is the problem and always will be the problem for attempting to dictate our economy so they can stick their fingers in the cookie jar....

 

[Wiseacre]

Ideological flaws cripple the ability of conservatives to govern:

•Disdain for Government

•Free Market Fundamentalism

•Miscast Morality

•Security Racket

•Ends Justify The Means

Miscast morality? How so?

Ends justify the means? Didn't the dems do that when they rammed through the ObamaCare law?

I get the disdain for gov't, yeah I got a lot of disdain for gov't. Surprised you don't, since it's gov't that provides all the tax breaks and subsidies to big corps and those bastard millionaires and billionaires. You think it's just the repubs, guess again. See who fights against removing farm subsidies, you think the lobbyists only talk to the GOP?

Free market fundamentalism, I assume you mean the policy of letting the free market regulate itself. While some believe that, I think most don't. It's a question of how much regulation is needed and how you enforce it. Does it bother you to paint all conservatives with the same broad brush? Bet you hate it when some do it to you.

Security racket, that must be the military/defense complex. So tell me, was it a good thing that we took out OBL or Awalaki or any of those other assholes who were responsible for murderous attacks against Americans? Maybe we should've given another speech at the UN about it.

Do you know who Ron Paul is, and how he feels about our foreign intervention? He's got a fairly small but nonetheless faithful group of conservative libertarians behind him, you gonna include them in your diatribe? Not everyone on the conservative side approved of Obama's decision to take us to a non-war against Libya. Oops, a democratic president starting a war, guess it's not just us righties. And him firing drone missiles right and left in Pakistan, how come you complain about the right but not the left when they do it?