Conservative Bible

[Carl in Michigan]

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

To my knowledge this is the only verse of the Bible ever quoted by conservatives.

There are 17 other verses in Chapter 3 of Thessalonians. Are they relevant?

There are 23,144 other verses in the Bible. Are they relevant?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? The Bible is way more consistent with liberal political thought than with conservative politic thought. Does anybody get it?

Quote the Scriptures that say otherwise

 

[presonorek]

Not according to other Christians especially in the 1960s.

Here’s an example. When Republican president Richard Nixon defended abortion he said there are times when its necessary. The example he used was for example if a white woman gets pregnant from a black man.

I’m sure you can find a verse in the Bible that can be interpreted to fit the narrative.

Can you guess who defines Christianity? Hint: it ain't "Christians"

How many guesses do we get?

Well, since it's in the name.....heh

I thought early Christians were called, "Followers of the Way". I thought Christian was a derogatory term.

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

 

[presonorek]

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

To my knowledge this is the only verse of the Bible ever quoted by conservatives.

There are 17 other verses in Chapter 3 of Thessalonians. Are they relevant?

There are 23,144 other verses in the Bible. Are they relevant?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? The Bible is way more consistent with liberal political thought than with conservative politic thought. Does anybody get it?

Quote the Scriptures that say otherwise

All 23,144 of them?

 

[sealybobo]

Can you guess who defines Christianity? Hint: it ain't "Christians"

How many guesses do we get?

Well, since it's in the name.....heh

I thought early Christians were called, "Followers of the Way". I thought Christian was a derogatory term.

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

 

[presonorek]

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

To my knowledge this is the only verse of the Bible ever quoted by conservatives.

There are 17 other verses in Chapter 3 of Thessalonians. Are they relevant?

There are 23,144 other verses in the Bible. Are they relevant?

How can people continue to pretend that the Bible doesn't promote left wing principles? The Bible is way more consistent with liberal political thought than with conservative politic thought. Does anybody get it?

Quote the Scriptures that say otherwise

Finally, brothers, pray for us that the Lord’s message may spread rapidly and be honored, just as it was with you, 2 and that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not all have faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful; He will strengthen and guard you from the evil one. 4 We have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do what we command. 5 May the Lord direct your hearts to God’s love and Christ’s endurance. 6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from every brother who walks irresponsibly and not according to the tradition received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you must imitate us: We were not irresponsible among you; 8 we did not eat anyone’s food free of charge; instead, we labored and struggled, working night and day, so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 It is not that we don’t have the right to support, but we did it to make ourselves an example to you so that you would imitate us. 10 In fact, when we were with you, this is what we commanded you: “If anyone isn’t willing to work, he should not eat.” 11 For we hear that there are some among you who walk irresponsibly, not working at all, but interfering with the work of others. 12 Now we command and exhort such people by the Lord Jesus Christ that quietly working, they may eat their own food. 13 Brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. 14 And if anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take note of that person; don’t associate with him, so that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet don’t treat him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. Final Greetings 16 May the Lord of peace Himself give you peace always in every way. The Lord be with all of you.17 This greeting is in my own hand—Paul. This is a sign in every letter; this is how I write. 18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you.

2 Thessalonians 3 HCSB

 

[presonorek]

How many guesses do we get?

Well, since it's in the name.....heh

I thought early Christians were called, "Followers of the Way". I thought Christian was a derogatory term.

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

I am looking forward to reading the Bible again. I just need to motivate myself to get started. On January 1 I read Genesis 1-9 and fell off the wagon on the second day. I am completely objective and able to see it for what it is rather than what I want it to be. I have mentioned in other discussions that everybody should read the Bible except for Christians. I still believe that. Keep your faith. Never do anything to jeopardize your faith which includes reading the Bible. A firm belief in mainstream religions is a treasure. Guard it. I wish I could believe it again. The Bible is amazing. The character of Christ is amazing. According to many posters I got a lot of the Bible wrong. Another round of reading I may become closer to right.

 

[hobelim]

How many guesses do we get?

Well, since it's in the name.....heh

I thought early Christians were called, "Followers of the Way". I thought Christian was a derogatory term.

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

Yeah, I've heard that before but it really has no meaning unless you understand in what way Jesus is the way and what the way means, what the truth is, what the life is, and how it leads people to God.

I am telling you that Jesus was referring to the way that Moses originally taught to follow the law, the way to life, which he said the people would turn aside from after his death.

For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupted and turn aside from the way I taught you to follow [the law]...Deuteronomy 31:29

If Jesus was right then his way to understand and conform to the deeper implications of the written law is the only way that leads to the fulfillment of the promise of eternal life in the sanctuary of God in heaven, not the literal interpretation and application of the law according to the teaching in the talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of the men that Moses said would turn aside from his way and become utterly corrupt after his death almost 1500 years before Jesus came.

If they turned aside from the way that Moses taught leads to life, then they were under the burden of failing to comply with the law, a curse, until Jesus came and raised them up like God raised him up from among the dead.

The only thing about the law that became obsolete after Jesus came was the wrong way to follow the law putting an end to sin and death forever for all those who receive this teaching and act on it, eat his flesh and drink his blood.

 

[ding]

What do you know about the FSM?

Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Atheists like to pretend it is just as plausible as a creator of space and time. It isn’t.

there's no such thing as an atheist because you cannot NOT believe in something that is not there

Atheists believe in humanity and it's infinite possibilities. Some call it humanism.

By definition that's a contradiction. Humanity does not have "infinite possibilities". Right now we can't make it much past 110 years. Right now we can't make it even to Mars.

Christianity believes you go live in the sky for eternity. Are you actually looking for rationality in a human belief system? I happen to believe humanity has doomed itself to extinction but more optimistic people have seen that any technological thing we can imagine will eventually come to pass.

That’s not exactly my belief. Maybe it’s just easier for you to build straw men.

 

[harmonica]

How many guesses do we get?

Well, since it's in the name.....heh

I thought early Christians were called, "Followers of the Way". I thought Christian was a derogatory term.

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

the end is near
the end is near
etc etc

 

[ding]

there's no such thing as an atheist because you cannot NOT believe in something that is not there

Atheists believe in humanity and it's infinite possibilities. Some call it humanism.

By definition that's a contradiction. Humanity does not have "infinite possibilities". Right now we can't make it much past 110 years. Right now we can't make it even to Mars.

Christianity believes you go live in the sky for eternity. Are you actually looking for rationality in a human belief system? I happen to believe humanity has doomed itself to extinction but more optimistic people have seen that any technological thing we can imagine will eventually come to pass.

I'm not sure about in the sky. Could be in a part of the space-time continuum we can't recognize yet. That seems exceedingly likely to me, indeed.

It does not matter, as far as this world is concerned there is no life after death. We can imagine all sorts of spiritual scenarios to comfort ourselves but as far as anyone knows for certain death is the end. Religion offers us consolation that our deceased loved ones still exist in some form and that we will see them again.

At the heart of the debate is whether spirit created the material world or the material world created spirit. I’m assuming you are a materialist.

 

[ding]

did to
ahahahhahahaha
just like a ''christian'' condemning others while they:
TORTURE
condemn people for believing the Earth is NOT the center of the universe
raping/molesting kids
etc etc

= HYPOCRITE

You are worse than a hypocrite. You are a subversive.

I'd rather be a subversive than a hypocrite that believes in fairy tales/sky fairy /etc
so you hate people who don't believe .....??!!!!

Luckily for you you are both. Subversives usually are.

at least I'm not a sinner like you

I am no saint. That’s for sure.

 

[harmonica]

= HYPOCRITE

You are worse than a hypocrite. You are a subversive.

I'd rather be a subversive than a hypocrite that believes in fairy tales/sky fairy /etc
so you hate people who don't believe .....??!!!!

Luckily for you you are both. Subversives usually are.

at least I'm not a sinner like you

I am no saint. That’s for sure.

I can't ''sin''--there's no such thing..it's a made up thing

 

[ding]

Says the fake Marine who pretends to be a patriot.

did to

No. You did not. You never took the oath. You admitted it.

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry

[
Do I have to say “So Help Me God” during my enlistment/officer oath?
No. This is a common question with a simple answer. Simply ask the officer administering the oath to say “affirm” rather than “swear” and to omit the “So Help Me God” at the end
/QUOTE]

walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

 

[harmonica]

did to

No. You did not. You never took the oath. You admitted it.

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry

[
Do I have to say “So Help Me God” during my enlistment/officer oath?
No. This is a common question with a simple answer. Simply ask the officer administering the oath to say “affirm” rather than “swear” and to omit the “So Help Me God” at the end
/QUOTE]

walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

8 years in---
I guess I was dreaming it
hahahahhahahahhahaaaaa

 

[ding]

You are worse than a hypocrite. You are a subversive.

I'd rather be a subversive than a hypocrite that believes in fairy tales/sky fairy /etc
so you hate people who don't believe .....??!!!!

Luckily for you you are both. Subversives usually are.

at least I'm not a sinner like you

I am no saint. That’s for sure.

I can't ''sin''--there's no such thing

I am more than happy for you to believe that too.

 

[ding]

No. You did not. You never took the oath. You admitted it.

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry

[
Do I have to say “So Help Me God” during my enlistment/officer oath?
No. This is a common question with a simple answer. Simply ask the officer administering the oath to say “affirm” rather than “swear” and to omit the “So Help Me God” at the end
/QUOTE]

walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

8 years in---
I guess I was dreaming it
hahahahhahahahhahaaaaa

Yes. You are dreaming.

 

[harmonica]

did to

No. You did not. You never took the oath. You admitted it.

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry

[
Do I have to say “So Help Me God” during my enlistment/officer oath?
No. This is a common question with a simple answer. Simply ask the officer administering the oath to say “affirm” rather than “swear” and to omit the “So Help Me God” at the end
/QUOTE]

walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

....I guess the Honorable Discharge I have I'm dreaming about is really just a dream
or all the other awards
hahahahhahahah

 

[ding]

No. You did not. You never took the oath. You admitted it.

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry

[
Do I have to say “So Help Me God” during my enlistment/officer oath?
No. This is a common question with a simple answer. Simply ask the officer administering the oath to say “affirm” rather than “swear” and to omit the “So Help Me God” at the end
/QUOTE]

walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

....I guess the Honorable Discharge I have I'm dreaming about is really just a dream
or all the other awards
hahahahhahahah

Yes, that’s all in your head too. You are finally getting it.

 

[harmonica]

did to hahahaha
separation of church/state--sorry
walk off HOME RUN
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Too bad that wasn’t in effect when you supposedly took the oath.

sorry--served and am former active duty Marine

Nope. Already disproven. You never took the oath.

8 years in---
I guess I was dreaming it
hahahahhahahahhahaaaaa

Yes. You are dreaming.

it's exactly like your beliefs/god/etc - bullshit
hahahahhahahahhahahahha

 

[occupied]

Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Atheists like to pretend it is just as plausible as a creator of space and time. It isn’t.

there's no such thing as an atheist because you cannot NOT believe in something that is not there

Atheists believe in humanity and it's infinite possibilities. Some call it humanism.

By definition that's a contradiction. Humanity does not have "infinite possibilities". Right now we can't make it much past 110 years. Right now we can't make it even to Mars.

Christianity believes you go live in the sky for eternity. Are you actually looking for rationality in a human belief system? I happen to believe humanity has doomed itself to extinction but more optimistic people have seen that any technological thing we can imagine will eventually come to pass.

That’s not exactly my belief. Maybe it’s just easier for you to build straw men.

I do not ridicule people for their personal beliefs but I have many significant problems with how religion is practiced and how it impacts secular policy. If you took any of my comments as an attack on anyone's personal faith it was not meant that way.