Confessions of a Public Defender

[gipper]

Exactly. The left could not allow black success, as they were doing much better in 1950...even under segregation. So...the left enslaved them to D gov policies to buy their vote . Resulting in the societal breakdown we see today.

GUy, people don't do mass demonstrations because they are just so happy about riding in the back of the bus and getting lynched if they complain about it.

Besides the fact you repeat a lot of the Hate Radio lies, the fact is, most people on Welfare are white, and most people on welfare are only on it for a short time.

So if you can't really assess the problem accurately, I'm not sure what the point of having the discussion with you is.

Sorry Joey, but you are terribly uninformed.

Do research on conditions in black America decades ago. No doubt you will conclude that blacks are better off today, but only because they vote in lock step for the party you so love.

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry Joey, but you are terribly uninformed.

Do research on conditions in black America decades ago. No doubt you will conclude that blacks are better off today, but only because they vote in lock step for the party you so love.

Yeah, I found some pictures of black folks being better off decades ago.

Oh, that dog just wants to play, really.

Weeee, fire hoses!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

GIPPER SAID:

"The left could not allow black success, as they were doing much better in 1950...even under segregation. So...the left enslaved them to D gov policies to buy their vote . Resulting in the societal breakdown we see today."

This is unsurprisingly ignorant.

Subject to segregation, denied the right to vote, denied access to employment, denied access to education – the notion that African-Americans were 'better off' under such conditiions is the epitome of delusional rightwing reactionaryism.

And the ridiculous, unfounded notion that 'the left' could not abide Black success and sought to 'enslave' them fails as a straw man fallacy, as well as an outright lie.

 

[Delldude]

Sorry Joey, but you are terribly uninformed.

Do research on conditions in black America decades ago. No doubt you will conclude that blacks are better off today, but only because they vote in lock step for the party you so love.

Yeah, I found some pictures of black folks being better off decades ago.

Oh, that dog just wants to play, really.

Weeee, fire hoses!

Got a picture FDR signing the Social Security Act enslaving blacks for decades?

In his State of the Union Address before Congress on January 4, 1935, President Roosevelt declared, "the time has come for action by the national government" to provide "security against the major hazards and vicissitudes [uncertainties] of life." He went on to propose the creation of federal unemployment and old-age insurance programs. He also called for guaranteed benefits for poor single mothers and their children along with other dependent persons.

They're off and running, its Liberals around the corner, down the straight, Liberals at the finish.....Liberals win....Blacks lose forever....

 

[JoeB131]

Somehow, Dell, I don't think you are that concerned about the well-being of black people.

 

[Delldude]

Somehow, Dell, I don't think you are that concerned about the well-being of black people.

I learned from the democrat party my man.

 

[gipper]

GIPPER SAID:

"The left could not allow black success, as they were doing much better in 1950...even under segregation. So...the left enslaved them to D gov policies to buy their vote . Resulting in the societal breakdown we see today."

This is unsurprisingly ignorant.

Subject to segregation, denied the right to vote, denied access to employment, denied access to education – the notion that African-Americans were 'better off' under such conditiions is the epitome of delusional rightwing reactionaryism.

And the ridiculous, unfounded notion that 'the left' could not abide Black success and sought to 'enslave' them fails as a straw man fallacy, as well as an outright lie.

If only liberals were capable of learning.

Walter Williams can educate you, but I suspect you are unwilling.

A good start to meeting that challenge is to recognize that much of the pathology seen in many black communities is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of that history. In the late 1800s, depending on the city, 70 to 80 percent of black households were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black households were two-parent. As late as 1950, only 18 percent of black households were single-parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1940, black illegitimacy was about 14 percent.

Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent. Close to 50 percent of marriage-age blacks never marry. Close to 70 percent of black households are female-headed. If one thinks family structure doesn't matter, consider that the poverty rate among black female-headed families is about 47 percent but among married families it has been in the single digits for more than two decades. It's not just poverty. Children raised by single parents are likelier to be physically abused; use drugs; engage in violent, delinquent and criminal behavior; have emotional and behavioral problems; and drop out of school.

What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites. Who would argue that this more favorable employment picture was because there was less racial discrimination in the job market in earlier times? Labor laws such as the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 -- a federal minimum wage law for construction workers -- and the 1938 federal minimum wage law for all workers reduced work opportunities for blacks.

Then there's the high crime rate. Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they are more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Along with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery.

Older black people, who were raised in an era when there was far greater discrimination and who faced far fewer opportunities, need to speak out against behavior and excuses that their parents would have never accepted. Otherwise, the race hustlers, poverty pimps and white liberals will continue with the narrative that black problems are a result of racism and racist cops and condemn future generations of blacks to a lifetime of mediocrity.

 

[Cassandro]

How can we ever have an "honest discussion about race in America"

Somehow, Dell, I don't think you are that concerned about the well-being of black people.

How can we ever have an "honest discussion about race in America" if people like you attack anyone who speaks the truth? Ironically, your reflexive outbursts only serve to confirm the observations in this article.

 

[JoeB131]

If only liberals were capable of learning.

Walter Williams can educate you, but I suspect you are unwilling.

Yes, the words of Uncle Toms like Walter Williams saying, "We sho be shiftless, Boss" never impresses me all that much.

Okay, so let's look at what Uncle Tom has to say.

Uncle Tom: Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent.

so what? White out of wedlock births are also at record highs. You wingnuts whine all day about gays getting married when people have just decided the whole thing isn't worth it. Which, of course, it isn't.

Uncle Tom : What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites.

Okay, the problem with this tidbit that Uncle Tom leaves out is that overall, the labor force participation has declined. With automation, with outsourcing, with globalization, those kinds of jobs just don't exist now, and if they do, they don't pay well. Combine that with employers who discriminate, and yes, you aren't going to see job participation that high.

Uncle Tom : Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

And 88% of the time, when a White Person is murdered, it's another White Person.

Tough gig, though, being a miserable Uncle Tom who get paid to validate the racism of white people rather than offer solutions.

 

[JoeB131]

How can we ever have an "honest discussion about race in America"

Somehow, Dell, I don't think you are that concerned about the well-being of black people.

How can we ever have an "honest discussion about race in America" if people like you attack anyone who speaks the truth? Ironically, your reflexive outbursts only serve to confirm the observations in this article.

Well, actually, no, reading this article, I see someone who has come to dehumanize the people he has come to represent, and it's quite obvious he does it badly and most of his clients see he's sort of inept at his job.

Frankly, if you are going to publish articles in a White Supremist magazine, I don't think I'd want you as my lawyer, either.

Hey, I'll betcha if everyone had lawyers of the quality of Johnny Cochrane and Alan Dershowitz, we'd see the conviction rates go down quite a bit.

 

[JoeMoma]

GIPPER SAID:

"The left could not allow black success, as they were doing much better in 1950...even under segregation. So...the left enslaved them to D gov policies to buy their vote . Resulting in the societal breakdown we see today."

This is unsurprisingly ignorant.

Subject to segregation, denied the right to vote, denied access to employment, denied access to education – the notion that African-Americans were 'better off' under such conditiions is the epitome of delusional rightwing reactionaryism.

And the ridiculous, unfounded notion that 'the left' could not abide Black success and sought to 'enslave' them fails as a straw man fallacy, as well as an outright lie.

If only liberals were capable of learning.

Walter Williams can educate you, but I suspect you are unwilling.

A good start to meeting that challenge is to recognize that much of the pathology seen in many black communities is entirely new in black history. Let's look at some of that history. In the late 1800s, depending on the city, 70 to 80 percent of black households were two-parent. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black households were two-parent. As late as 1950, only 18 percent of black households were single-parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1940, black illegitimacy was about 14 percent.

Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent. Close to 50 percent of marriage-age blacks never marry. Close to 70 percent of black households are female-headed. If one thinks family structure doesn't matter, consider that the poverty rate among black female-headed families is about 47 percent but among married families it has been in the single digits for more than two decades. It's not just poverty. Children raised by single parents are likelier to be physically abused; use drugs; engage in violent, delinquent and criminal behavior; have emotional and behavioral problems; and drop out of school.

What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites. Who would argue that this more favorable employment picture was because there was less racial discrimination in the job market in earlier times? Labor laws such as the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931 -- a federal minimum wage law for construction workers -- and the 1938 federal minimum wage law for all workers reduced work opportunities for blacks.

Then there's the high crime rate. Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they are more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Along with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery.

Older black people, who were raised in an era when there was far greater discrimination and who faced far fewer opportunities, need to speak out against behavior and excuses that their parents would have never accepted. Otherwise, the race hustlers, poverty pimps and white liberals will continue with the narrative that black problems are a result of racism and racist cops and condemn future generations of blacks to a lifetime of mediocrity.

Walter Williams is a very smart man.

 

[JoeMoma]

If only liberals were capable of learning.

Walter Williams can educate you, but I suspect you are unwilling.

Yes, the words of Uncle Toms like Walter Williams saying, "We sho be shiftless, Boss" never impresses me all that much.

Okay, so let's look at what Uncle Tom has to say.

Uncle Tom: Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent.

so what? White out of wedlock births are also at record highs. You wingnuts whine all day about gays getting married when people have just decided the whole thing isn't worth it. Which, of course, it isn't.

Uncle Tom : What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites.

Okay, the problem with this tidbit that Uncle Tom leaves out is that overall, the labor force participation has declined. With automation, with outsourcing, with globalization, those kinds of jobs just don't exist now, and if they do, they don't pay well. Combine that with employers who discriminate, and yes, you aren't going to see job participation that high.

Uncle Tom : Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

And 88% of the time, when a White Person is murdered, it's another White Person.

Tough gig, though, being a miserable Uncle Tom who get paid to validate the racism of white people rather than offer solutions.

Read about what Walter Williams did when he served in the mililary and then call him a Uncle Tom.

Walter E. Williams - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Early life and educationEdit
Williams's family during childhood consisted of himself, his mother, and his sister. His father played no role in raising either child.[3] He grew up in Philadelphia. The family initially lived in West Philadelphia, moving to North Philadelphia and the Richard Allen housing projects when Williams was ten. His neighbors included a young Bill Cosby. Williams knew many of the individuals that Cosby speaks of from his childhood, including Weird Harold and Fat Albert.[4]

Williams was a talented high school student who displayed a very inconsistent performance in his studies. Following high school he came out to stay with his father in California, and attended one semester at Los Angeles City College, in regard to which he would later state that he was not ready yet to be a serious student.[5] In 1959 he was drafted into the military, and served as a Private in the United States Army.[4][6] While stationed in the south, he "waged a one man battle against Jim Crow from inside the army. He challenged the racial order with provocative statements to his fellow soldiers. This resulted in an overseeing officer filing a court-martial proceeding against Williams. Williams argued his own case, and was found not guilty.[4] While considering filing countercharges against the officer that had brought him up for court martial, Williams found himself transferred to Korea. Upon arriving there, Williams marked "Caucasian" for race on his personnel form. When challenged on this, Williams replied wryly if he had marked "Black", he would end up getting all the worst jobs. From Korea Williams wrote a letter to President John F. Kennedy denouncing the pervasive racism in the American government and military, and questioning the actions black Americans should take given the state of affairs, writing:

Should Negroes be relieved of their service obligation or continue defending and dying for empty promises of freedom and equality? Or should we demand human rights as our Founding Fathers did at the risk of being called extremists ... I contend that we relieve ourselves of oppression in a manner that is in keeping with the great heritage of our nation.[4]

 

[JoeB131]

Read about what Walter Williams did when he served in the mililary and then call him a Uncle Tom.

And today he runs around telling audiences of rich w hite people that their racism is totally cool.

 

[gipper]

If only liberals were capable of learning.

Walter Williams can educate you, but I suspect you are unwilling.

Yes, the words of Uncle Toms like Walter Williams saying, "We sho be shiftless, Boss" never impresses me all that much.

Okay, so let's look at what Uncle Tom has to say.

Uncle Tom: Today it's an entirely different story. Black illegitimacy is 75 percent.

so what? White out of wedlock births are also at record highs. You wingnuts whine all day about gays getting married when people have just decided the whole thing isn't worth it. Which, of course, it isn't.

Uncle Tom : What about employment? Every census from 1890 to 1950 showed that black labor force participation rates were higher than those of whites. Today it's a mere fraction. Prior to the mid-'50s, the unemployment rate for black 16- and 17-year-olds was under 10 percent and less than that of whites.

Okay, the problem with this tidbit that Uncle Tom leaves out is that overall, the labor force participation has declined. With automation, with outsourcing, with globalization, those kinds of jobs just don't exist now, and if they do, they don't pay well. Combine that with employers who discriminate, and yes, you aren't going to see job participation that high.

Uncle Tom : Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

And 88% of the time, when a White Person is murdered, it's another White Person.

Tough gig, though, being a miserable Uncle Tom who get paid to validate the racism of white people rather than offer solutions.

Anyone who points out the terrible damage done to black Americans by leftism, is automatically labeled a racist and of course...an Uncle Tom.

FURTHER proof of the corrupt and deceitful nature of leftism?

 

[JoeB131]

Anyone who points out the terrible damage done to black Americans by leftism, is automatically labeled a racist and of course...an Uncle Tom.

FURTHER proof of the corrupt and deceitful nature of leftism?

Well, the fact that a lot of these Uncle Toms like Bill Cosby and Herman Cain usually turn out to be really horrible people doesn't help matter much.

 

[Conservative65]

Anyone who points out the terrible damage done to black Americans by leftism, is automatically labeled a racist and of course...an Uncle Tom.

FURTHER proof of the corrupt and deceitful nature of leftism?

Well, the fact that a lot of these Uncle Toms like Bill Cosby and Herman Cain usually turn out to be really horrible people doesn't help matter much.

You turned out to be a white n****r.

 

[DGS49]

I have to wonder whether "JoeB131" is for real. His postings are profoundly misinformed and stupid, but his grammar and word usage reflect someone who is quite literate. I suspect he is just trolling for agitated counterattacks, having a bit of "fun" with the people posting here.

Parenthetically, I note that the timeline in the quoted Wiki article above is AFU. President Kennedy did not assume office until 1961, long after Williams would have departed Korea.

Like Ann Coulter, Walter Williams infuriates his critics (mainly white liberals) because all of the information he posts is factual and can be confirmed in a few minutes of searching on the internet. As with "homophobe," "Uncle Tom" is a vacuous slander based on nothing at all other than the speaker's dislike of someone's relatively innocuous words, actions or behavior.

As for "Negroes" being "better off" before the so-called War on Poverty, it is problematic whether this can be demonstrated in pure economic terms. The difficulty stems from the fact of what the "typical" black "household" was and is. It used to be a classic nuclear family with two parents and children living under one roof - certainly victimized by overt discrimination by the White power structure. But with the War on Poverty, Black women were incentivized to produce armies of illegitimate children, thus totally morphing the Black family into a dysfunctional single-parent situation. And this self-defeating movement was brought about not by racists trying to "keep the Black man down," but rather by white liberals trying to lift them up. It is a manifestation of The Rule of Unintended Consequences, in spades (no play on words intended).

Martin Luther King promised white America that "Negroes" only wanted to be treated fairly, to succeed or fail on their own merits, and the White American Public bought it. But then bleeding heart liberals on the Supreme Court and in Congress CONVINCED BLACKS that they couldn't possible succeed on their own merits because of decades of racism, and they need Affirmative Action and government handouts to have any chance of success. Thus we have the two-fold evil result of (a) generations of Blacks being raised to believe that they can't succeed without some government sponsorship, and (b) that they are ENTITLED to government (i.e., taxpayer-funded) goodies, simply because they are Black.

And this leads us to the culture described in the essay at the top of this thread.

One must remember that the Blacks encountered by a public defender are NOT a cross section of the American Black community, but rather a sampling of the worst of the worst. Still, one cannot ignore the simple accuracy and realism of the account, which fits in nicely with the otherwise inexplicable riots and crime explosions that have followed the relatively minor incidents involving lethal police interactions with Black Yoot. The essay rings painfully true.

 

[JoeMoma]

I have to wonder whether "JoeB131" is for real. His postings are profoundly misinformed and stupid, but his grammar and word usage reflect someone who is quite literate. I suspect he is just trolling for agitated counterattacks, having a bit of "fun" with the people posting here.

Parenthetically, I note that the timeline in the quoted Wiki article above is AFU. President Kennedy did not assume office until 1961, long after Williams would have departed Korea.

Like Ann Coulter, Walter Williams infuriates his critics (mainly white liberals) because all of the information he posts is factual and can be confirmed in a few minutes of searching on the internet. As with "homophobe," "Uncle Tom" is a vacuous slander based on nothing at all other than the speaker's dislike of someone's relatively innocuous words, actions or behavior.

As for "Negroes" being "better off" before the so-called War on Poverty, it is problematic whether this can be demonstrated in pure economic terms. The difficulty stems from the fact of what the "typical" black "household" was and is. It used to be a classic nuclear family with two parents and children living under one roof - certainly victimized by overt discrimination by the White power structure. But with the War on Poverty, Black women were incentivized to produce armies of illegitimate children, thus totally morphing the Black family into a dysfunctional single-parent situation. And this self-defeating movement was brought about not by racists trying to "keep the Black man down," but rather by white liberals trying to lift them up. It is a manifestation of The Rule of Unintended Consequences, in spades (no play on words intended).

Martin Luther King promised white America that "Negroes" only wanted to be treated fairly, to succeed or fail on their own merits, and the White American Public bought it. But then bleeding heart liberals on the Supreme Court and in Congress CONVINCED BLACKS that they couldn't possible succeed on their own merits because of decades of racism, and they need Affirmative Action and government handouts to have any chance of success. Thus we have the two-fold evil result of (a) generations of Blacks being raised to believe that they can't succeed without some government sponsorship, and (b) that they are ENTITLED to government (i.e., taxpayer-funded) goodies, simply because they are Black.

And this leads us to the culture described in the essay at the top of this thread.

One must remember that the Blacks encountered by a public defender are NOT a cross section of the American Black community, but rather a sampling of the worst of the worst. Still, one cannot ignore the simple accuracy and realism of the account, which fits in nicely with the otherwise inexplicable riots and crime explosions that have followed the relatively minor incidents involving lethal police interactions with Black Yoot. The essay rings painfully true.

Is the time line really AFU. Williams was drafted in 1959. A lot happened before he was transferred to Korea including a court-marshal. He wrote JFK a letter while in Korea. The timeline makes sense even if Williams was transferred to Korea before JFK became president if Williams was in Korea long enough for those time periods to overlap. I see no problem with the time line in Wikipedia.

 

[JoeB131]

Anyone who points out the terrible damage done to black Americans by leftism, is automatically labeled a racist and of course...an Uncle Tom.

FURTHER proof of the corrupt and deceitful nature of leftism?

Well, the fact that a lot of these Uncle Toms like Bill Cosby and Herman Cain usually turn out to be really horrible people doesn't help matter much.

You turned out to be a white n****r.

Duly noted that you couldn't answer the point that the kinds of blacks you guys prop up often turn out to be sexual harrassers-- We can add Clarance Thomas to that list, come to think of it.

 

[JoeB131]

I have to wonder whether "JoeB131" is for real. His postings are profoundly misinformed and stupid, but his grammar and word usage reflect someone who is quite literate. I suspect he is just trolling for agitated counterattacks, having a bit of "fun" with the people posting here.

Yes, I'm a semi-professional writer.

No, while I do tend to be inflammatory (because, hey, reasoned discussions on a message board are like a tea party on the Jerry Springer show) I really and truly am pretty liberal at this point.

But even when I was conservative, I found black conservatives to be a little off-putting, and filled with more than a little self-loathing.

Like Ann Coulter, Walter Williams infuriates his critics (mainly white liberals) because all of the information he posts is factual and can be confirmed in a few minutes of searching on the internet. As with "homophobe," "Uncle Tom" is a vacuous slander based on nothing at all other than the speaker's dislike of someone's relatively innocuous words, actions or behavior.

I think even Williams would be insulted to be compared with Coulter, someone who has become persona-non-grata even on Fox News.