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I'm still waiting for evidence of Lincoln wanting to do that very thing.
Well you were provided with a link.
Missed it...which post #?
Another post in Lonestar's quest to show that black participation in the Confederate army was not significant.The war was caused over arguments about tarifs and state rights. Slavery was an underlying issue.
I said blacks fought for the South, I was right and you just proved it. Thanks.
Issues of the American Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
hey stupid, my main point was that blacks fought for the confederacy that is the only significance there is. The numbers which numbnuts presented were not significant. Damn are all retired military folk as dumb as you?
Well you were provided with a link.
Missed it...which post #?
"Before his election, Lincoln had promoted very high tariffs (federal taxes on foreign imports), using the receipts to build railroads, canals, roads, and other federal pork-barrel projects.
The tariffs protected Northern manufacturers from foreign competition, and were paid mostly by the non-manufacturing South, while most of the proposed boondoggles were to be built in the North. Thus the South was being forced to subsidize Northern corporate welfare."
Civil War books
A few quotes to shed some more light on the issue of tariffs:
"Those who elected Mr. Lincoln expect him . . . to secure to free labor its just right to the Territories of the United States; to protect . . . by wise revenue laws, the labor of our people; to secure the public lands to actual settlers . . . ; to develop the internal resources of the country by opening new means of communication between the Atlantic and Pacific." - Senator John Sherman
The bold indicates tariffs, of course.
"That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence." - Republican Party National Platform of 1860
Republican Party National Platform, 1860
"Fellow citizens, as this is the first opportunity which I have had to address a Pennsylvania assemblage, it seems a fitting time to indulge in a few remarks upon the important question of a tariff---a subject of great magnitude, and one which is attended with many difficulties, owing to the great variety of interests which it involves. So long as direct taxation for the support of government is not resorted to, a tariff is necessary. The tariff is to the government what a meal is to the family; but, while this is admitted, it still becomes necessary to modify and change its operations according to new interests and new circumstances." - Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln's Speech at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, February 15, 1861 | House Divided
I know.What Lonestar doesn't get is whatever the blacks did for the South was incredibly insignificant, simply at the bottom of the well. The comparisons L_L ignores? 500,000 slaves fled to northern lines. 185,000 blacks served in the northern forces. 33,000 blacks died as regulars in the army and navy.
How Lonestar and the others try to wriggle and wiggle around these figures amaze me.
Hey stupid, I never said blacks role in the Confederacy was significant, I simply stated they had a role. Which has been adequately proven. It doesn't matter if two or two million blacks fought for the south, the fact remains that blacks fought for the south. Which was my original point. You're arguing a point that was never the main contention.
You and others implicated that somehow it was significant. I am glad you realize that it was not. I agree with you.
And you sir are a liar. I never stated nor implied that blacks in the Confederacy was a significant matter.
You and others implicated that somehow it was significant. I am glad you realize that it was not. I agree with you.
And you sir are a liar. I never stated nor implied that blacks in the Confederacy was a significant matter.
Actually I believe it is significant purely based on the fact that there were blacks that fought for the confederacy. Doesn't matter how many. That is more proof that the war was not about slavery or racism. Again 4 slave holding states remained with the north, their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Betcha those slaves didn't consider Lincoln to be a saint.
Missed it...which post #?
"Before his election, Lincoln had promoted very high tariffs (federal taxes on foreign imports), using the receipts to build railroads, canals, roads, and other federal pork-barrel projects.
The tariffs protected Northern manufacturers from foreign competition, and were paid mostly by the non-manufacturing South, while most of the proposed boondoggles were to be built in the North. Thus the South was being forced to subsidize Northern corporate welfare."
Civil War books
Sounds like Henry Clay's American System Part Deux. Would Lincoln have had the votes in Congress to pull that off?
Yep, the Republicans were Free Soilers....it's about preventing slave holders from bringing their slaves to the Western territories. No surprises there.
The bold indicates tariffs, of course.
"That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence." - Republican Party National Platform of 1860
Bold is mine....seems reasonable unless you are not willing to change ANYTHING about your stiffled slave-dependent world.
Republican Party National Platform, 1860
"Fellow citizens, as this is the first opportunity which I have had to address a Pennsylvania assemblage, it seems a fitting time to indulge in a few remarks upon the important question of a tariff---a subject of great magnitude, and one which is attended with many difficulties, owing to the great variety of interests which it involves. So long as direct taxation for the support of government is not resorted to, a tariff is necessary. The tariff is to the government what a meal is to the family; but, while this is admitted, it still becomes necessary to modify and change its operations according to new interests and new circumstances." - Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln's Speech at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, February 15, 1861 | House Divided
Maybe he should have recommended an Income Tax instead....oops...that was UnConstitutional.
And you sir are a liar. I never stated nor implied that blacks in the Confederacy was a significant matter.
Actually I believe it is significant purely based on the fact that there were blacks that fought for the confederacy. Doesn't matter how many. That is more proof that the war was not about slavery or racism. Again 4 slave holding states remained with the north, their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Betcha those slaves didn't consider Lincoln to be a saint.
I wasn't aware that any slave considered Lincoln a Saint. But he DID manage to help get the 13th amendment passed before he was shot down.
Actually I believe it is significant purely based on the fact that there were blacks that fought for the confederacy. Doesn't matter how many. That is more proof that the war was not about slavery or racism. Again 4 slave holding states remained with the north, their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Betcha those slaves didn't consider Lincoln to be a saint.
I wasn't aware that any slave considered Lincoln a Saint. But he DID manage to help get the 13th amendment passed before he was shot down.
Actually Lincoln was assassinated before it was ratified.
You and others implicated that somehow it was significant. I am glad you realize that it was not. I agree with you.
And you sir are a liar. I never stated nor implied that blacks in the Confederacy was a significant matter.
Actually I believe it is significant purely based on the fact that there were blacks that fought for the confederacy. Doesn't matter how many. That is more proof that the war was not about slavery or racism. Again 4 slave holding states remained with the north, their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Betcha those slaves didn't consider Lincoln to be a saint.
"Before his election, Lincoln had promoted very high tariffs (federal taxes on foreign imports), using the receipts to build railroads, canals, roads, and other federal pork-barrel projects.
The tariffs protected Northern manufacturers from foreign competition, and were paid mostly by the non-manufacturing South, while most of the proposed boondoggles were to be built in the North. Thus the South was being forced to subsidize Northern corporate welfare."
Civil War books
Sounds like Henry Clay's American System Part Deux. Would Lincoln have had the votes in Congress to pull that off?
Yep, the Republicans were Free Soilers....it's about preventing slave holders from bringing their slaves to the Western territories. No surprises there.
Bold is mine....seems reasonable unless you are not willing to change ANYTHING about your stiffled slave-dependent world.
Republican Party National Platform, 1860
"Fellow citizens, as this is the first opportunity which I have had to address a Pennsylvania assemblage, it seems a fitting time to indulge in a few remarks upon the important question of a tariff---a subject of great magnitude, and one which is attended with many difficulties, owing to the great variety of interests which it involves. So long as direct taxation for the support of government is not resorted to, a tariff is necessary. The tariff is to the government what a meal is to the family; but, while this is admitted, it still becomes necessary to modify and change its operations according to new interests and new circumstances." - Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln's Speech at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, February 15, 1861 | House Divided
Maybe he should have recommended an Income Tax instead....oops...that was UnConstitutional.
It was exactly Henry Clay's American System. Clay was Lincoln's political inspiration, and Lincoln once referred to himself as a "Henry Clay Whig." And he did have the votes to pull it off, see the Morrill Tariff.
Well I was more or less referring to the part of the quote about tariffs, but I'm aware that Lincoln and the Republicans opposed the expansion of slavery to the west.
Except it's not reasonable to steal from one portion of the country, the south, for the benefit of another, the north. Slavery was evil, but it doesn't justify theft especially considering a majority of the south did not own slaves.
Lincoln did implement an income tax during the Civil War, along with obscenely high tariffs.
Sounds like Henry Clay's American System Part Deux. Would Lincoln have had the votes in Congress to pull that off?
Yep, the Republicans were Free Soilers....it's about preventing slave holders from bringing their slaves to the Western territories. No surprises there.
Bold is mine....seems reasonable unless you are not willing to change ANYTHING about your stiffled slave-dependent world.
Maybe he should have recommended an Income Tax instead....oops...that was UnConstitutional.
It was exactly Henry Clay's American System. Clay was Lincoln's political inspiration, and Lincoln once referred to himself as a "Henry Clay Whig." And he did have the votes to pull it off, see the Morrill Tariff.
Well I was more or less referring to the part of the quote about tariffs, but I'm aware that Lincoln and the Republicans opposed the expansion of slavery to the west.
Except it's not reasonable to steal from one portion of the country, the south, for the benefit of another, the north. Slavery was evil, but it doesn't justify theft especially considering a majority of the south did not own slaves.
Lincoln did implement an income tax during the Civil War, along with obscenely high tariffs.
No stealing occurred, KK. Don't like it, work to change it. That is how a constitutional Republic works. Commit treason, then die.
Actually a republic does work that way if the minority's inalienable rights had not been violated. No such violations occurred. The minority tried to unconstitionally, unethically, illegally, and immorally tried to force its way on the majority, then resorted to violence. The southern leaders were very, very lucky they were not put against the wall and shot in every secesh town in the South.
Ah, I see: you don't believe in reciprocity in the constitutional system. OK.
And you sir are a liar. I never stated nor implied that blacks in the Confederacy was a significant matter.
Actually I believe it is significant purely based on the fact that there were blacks that fought for the confederacy. Doesn't matter how many. That is more proof that the war was not about slavery or racism. Again 4 slave holding states remained with the north, their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Betcha those slaves didn't consider Lincoln to be a saint.
All of which in no way invalidates the central fact the Civil War was caused by slavery.
