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1. I don't care who put them up.The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.
By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?
Robert E. Lee.
More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
Hate and bigotry doesn't even enter into it. The statues are of SOLDIERS - who had nothjing to do with the any hateful policies. You want to bitch about policies go after politicians.More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.
By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?
Robert E. Lee.
Dear Pogo:
Do you mean like how Ted Kennedy was accused of leaving a young woman to drown in a car
until he sobered up, in order to escape worse charges?
Did the Democrats go after him?
Or they only go after people where it's politically convenient?
Also, I understand the land for Arlington National Cemetery was owned by Lee
and sold to the govt with gravesites of over 6,000 Union soldiers already buried there.
History of Arlington National Cemetery
How Arlington National Cemetery Came to Be | History | Smithsonian
What are you going to do, Pogo?
Remove all the gravesites to boycott Robert E. Lee?
Are you going to PAY for all this damage to national history
just because someone was Confederate?
Would you like it if people REMOVED the art and books of
Oscar Wilde because he was gay and into Pederasty?
Would you destroy Ben Franklin's history because of accusations of child abuse?
Even the Chinese study the works of Thomas Jefferson as a historical
influence on democratic government.
So all that becomes VOID if someone owned slaves?
Pogo what if the rules were changed to anyone wearing clothes
or using phones made by SLAVE LABOR instead of FAIR TRADE.
Would we have any history left at all?
Is there anyone perfect, save Jesus who only killed a fig tree out of anger
it wasn't able to provide fruit out of season, and admonished a woman
who corrected him and he changed his mind and accepted her rebuke.
If that's the only figure in history we can say never sinned,
then you'll be stuck with the red words in the Bible.
I think the Bible even prophecies that.
Is that the world you want to live in Pogo?
How are we going to teach from history if
we are going to censor every person who ever
engaged in wrongs or oppression. without
implicating every person of every nation under the sun!
More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."
What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.
What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?
When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?
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All you're doing here is repeating the MSM's presentation of it (and that of the facist anifada and other counterprotestors). you're trying to make it be about the policies you dislike. But once again, the SOLDIERS dIdn't make the policies. The protesters were protesting about the statue of SOLDIER. That remains the issue.---- and you know damn well it's not about "statues" since nobody in Charlottesville said boo about Robert E. Lee -- it was all "alt-right" and "we hate Jews" and Nazi this and Klan that and Vanguard the other thing and "you will not replace us" and beating a random black man with poles --- in other words the same bullshit that was going on a hundred years ago with the lynchings and the race riots and people being whipped for being Jewish or Catholic. They're trying to revive a time when that shit was powerful enough TO erect statues and monuments. It's all a grand hate-wank.
It's not Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson that is the operative symbol here. The symbol is the epoch they're trying to resurrect. The era when the Klan was resurrected and signed up millions. The era when black people were expected to lower their eyes and sit in the back and use separate water fountains. THAT is what it's about.
More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."
What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.
What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?
When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?
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I live in Florida. That is where soldiers from here fought for. To DEFEND it from invaders from hundreds of miles way. still, the topic is SOLDIERS don't make policy,Hey they started the war, and the Union finished it. They caused much death. They fought and they loss, maybe those 11 states should of been taken by Mexico. Do you want to go to Mexico now?? Or do you want to be part of the US. Good riddens.
More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."
What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.
What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?
When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?
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What the fuck does this post have to do with ---- anything?
Do either of you girls read?
Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.
Nazi general didn't live in Florida. That's where I live, and where some of the soldiers in the statues lived. Lee lived in Virginia. Let's not stretch this out of proportion OK ? Or should we start talking about slaveowners George Washington, T. Jefferson. Want to remove their monuments ?Still.................I don't think statues of soldiers who lost the war is appropriate. Monuments and memorials are generally erected for SUCCESSFUL people who did successful things and won.
Should we put up statues of some of the Nazi generals in with our WWII memorials as well?
As retired military, I'm not a fan of statues glorifying those who killed U.S. soldiers and sailors. But the final call is that of the city/town/county/state that is responsible for the maintenance of said statues.The mayors, governors, and other politicians who are calling for, and removing statues of former military generals, are soldier haters - pure & simple. Example - in Baltimore, statues of Robert E. Lee and Thomas Stonewall" Jackson were removed in the middle of the night, the mayor knowing there would be anger and opposition. So much for representitive government.
These actions are a disgrace, and an abusive insult to every soldier serving in the military, and every military veteran in America (if not the whole world). The often heard (idiotic) excuse that the statues represent hate, racism, and bigotry, is ludicrous, and an insult to everyone's intelligence.
The mayor of Tampa, Florida, Bob Buckhorn has said this same thing, and even donated $1,000 to have a Civil War monument removed, which has statues of 2 low ranked soldiers in it. Problem with the mayor's ridiculous excuse, is that whatever racism or bigotry existed, it came from POLITICIANS. But statues being removed in Tampa, Charlottesville, Lexington, KY and other places, are not of politicians. They are statues of SOLDIERS. They were people who made no policies of any kind. They simply followed orders, and did the toughest job anyone could do. Many lost their lives. They had nothing to do with the policies of slavery, secession, confederacy, etc. In fact, many of these soldiers (especially the generals) served in the military for many years before the Civil War even started.
These statue removals are despicable acts perpetrated by military and soldier haters, most of whom never served themselves. They are dishonoring these fine, courageous heroes, who went to war, defending their states, counties, and towns from attackers. These governors, mayors, etc should be voted out of office, or recalled if possible. Soldier haters have no business to be holding political office.
For every one of these soldiers whose statues are removed, 3 of theirs should be put up in response. Make the statue removing, soldier haters pay for their bad behavior.
So the generals of the con-federacy were too stupid to know they were committing treason and killing what should have been their fellow Americans?Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.
---- and you know damn well it's not about "statues" since nobody in Charlottesville said boo about Robert E. Lee -- it was all "alt-right" and "we hate Jews" and Nazi this and Klan that and Vanguard the other thing and "you will not replace us" and beating a random black man with poles --- in other words the same bullshit that was going on a hundred years ago with the lynchings and the race riots and people being whipped for being Jewish or Catholic. They're trying to revive a time when that shit was powerful enough TO erect statues and monuments. It's all a grand hate-wank.
It's not Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson that is the operative symbol here. The symbol is the epoch they're trying to resurrect. The era when the Klan was resurrected and signed up millions. The era when black people were expected to lower their eyes and sit in the back and use separate water fountains. THAT is what it's about.
Did Washington and Jefferson commit treason against the United States and lead armies to kill fellow Americans?Nazi general didn't live in Florida. That's where I live, and where some of the soldiers in the statues lived. Lee lived in Virginia. Let's not stretch this out of proportion OK ? Or should we start talking about slaveowners George Washington, T. Jefferson. Want to remove their monuments ?Still.................I don't think statues of soldiers who lost the war is appropriate. Monuments and memorials are generally erected for SUCCESSFUL people who did successful things and won.
Should we put up statues of some of the Nazi generals in with our WWII memorials as well?
If you lived in Florida, you might not be a fan of glorifying statues of those who killed Florida soldiers and sailors. If you lived in Alabama, you might not like those who killed Alabama guys.As retired military, I'm not a fan of statues glorifying those who killed U.S. soldiers and sailors. But the final call is that of the city/town/county/state that is responsible for the maintenance of said statues.
The monument removers cite racism and slavery as their objection to the monuments, not secession, and again it wasn't SOLDIERS who made any of these policies (secession, war, slavery, etc)Did Washington and Jefferson commit treason against the United States and lead armies to kill fellow Americans?
His military service to an enemy of the United States. An enemy that killed more Americans than in any other war we've ever had.1. I don't care who put them up.The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.
By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?
Robert E. Lee.
2. You're not presenting the whole story (or any source or link to it) For all I know this may be a tall tale, Lee may not have even known of this stuff, if it's true at all.
3. The statues honor Lee for his military service, not president of a college.
Can you point out the city/town/state that is voting to remove con-federate veteran grave stones?More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.
They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.
So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.
"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.
Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?
Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.
""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."
What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.
What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?
When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?
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What the hell does White supremacy movement have to do with SOLDIERS' statues ? (if there even IS any ws "movement")I can't ev
I don't advocate "removal" or "censor" of anything. I'm simply educating the OP on his misdefinition of what the root causes are.
Dear bodeceaSo the generals of the con-federacy were too stupid to know they were committing treason and killing what should have been their fellow Americans?Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.
