Confederate Statue Removers Are Soldier Haters

[protectionist]

The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.

By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?

Robert E. Lee.

1. I don't care who put them up.

2. You're not presenting the whole story (or any source or link to it) For all I know this may be a tall tale, Lee may not have even known of this stuff, if it's true at all.

3. The statues honor Lee for his military service, not president of a college.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."

What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.

What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?

When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?

Abraham Myers - Wikipedia

Judah P. Benjamin - Wikipedia

Alexander Hart - Wikipedia

What's next digging their corpses up?

The Jewish Confederates - Wikipedia

 

[Pogo]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

Hate and bigotry doesn't even enter into it. The statues are of SOLDIERS - who had nothjing to do with the any hateful policies. You want to ***** about policies go after politicians.

The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.

By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?

Robert E. Lee.

Dear Pogo:

Do you mean like how Ted Kennedy was accused of leaving a young woman to drown in a car
until he sobered up, in order to escape worse charges?
Did the Democrats go after him?
Or they only go after people where it's politically convenient?

Also, I understand the land for Arlington National Cemetery was owned by Lee
and sold to the govt with gravesites of over 6,000 Union soldiers already buried there.

History of Arlington National Cemetery
How Arlington National Cemetery Came to Be | History | Smithsonian

What are you going to do, Pogo?
Remove all the gravesites to boycott Robert E. Lee?

Are you going to PAY for all this damage to national history
just because someone was Confederate?

Would you like it if people REMOVED the art and books of
Oscar Wilde because he was gay and into Pederasty?

Would you destroy Ben Franklin's history because of accusations of child abuse?

Even the Chinese study the works of Thomas Jefferson as a historical
influence on democratic government.

So all that becomes VOID if someone owned slaves?

Pogo what if the rules were changed to anyone wearing clothes
or using phones made by SLAVE LABOR instead of FAIR TRADE.

Would we have any history left at all?

Is there anyone perfect, save Jesus who only killed a fig tree out of anger
it wasn't able to provide fruit out of season, and admonished a woman
who corrected him and he changed his mind and accepted her rebuke.

If that's the only figure in history we can say never sinned,
then you'll be stuck with the red words in the Bible.

I think the Bible even prophecies that.
Is that the world you want to live in Pogo?

How are we going to teach from history if
we are going to censor every person who ever
engaged in wrongs or oppression. without
implicating every person of every nation under the sun!

I can't even follow this incoherency. If you can't make your point in a paragraph, nobody's going to read it, not even if it's addressed to them. What the hell does Ted Kennedy have to do with the White Supremacy movement?

I don't advocate "removal" or "censor" of anything. I'm simply educating the OP on his misdefinition of what the root causes are.

 

[Pogo]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."

What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.

What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?

When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?

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Abraham Myers - Wikipedia

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Judah P. Benjamin - Wikipedia

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Alexander Hart - Wikipedia

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What's next digging their corpses up?

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The Jewish Confederates - Wikipedia

What the **** does this post have to do with ---- anything?

Do either of you girls read?

 

[protectionist]

---- and you know damn well it's not about "statues" since nobody in Charlottesville said boo about Robert E. Lee -- it was all "alt-right" and "we hate Jews" and Nazi this and Klan that and Vanguard the other thing and "you will not replace us" and beating a random black man with poles --- in other words the same bullshit that was going on a hundred years ago with the lynchings and the race riots and people being whipped for being Jewish or Catholic. They're trying to revive a time when that shit was powerful enough TO erect statues and monuments. It's all a grand hate-wank.

It's not Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson that is the operative symbol here. The symbol is the epoch they're trying to resurrect. The era when the Klan was resurrected and signed up millions. The era when black people were expected to lower their eyes and sit in the back and use separate water fountains. THAT is what it's about.

All you're doing here is repeating the MSM's presentation of it (and that of the facist anifada and other counterprotestors). you're trying to make it be about the policies you dislike. But once again, the SOLDIERS dIdn't make the policies. The protesters were protesting about the statue of SOLDIER. That remains the issue.

Liberals have a habit of ranting forever after they've changed the subject to what they want to talk about and how they want it to be viewed. ha ha ...amusing

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."

What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.

What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?

When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?

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Abraham Myers - Wikipedia

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Judah P. Benjamin - Wikipedia

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Alexander Hart - Wikipedia

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What's next digging their corpses up?

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The Jewish Confederates - Wikipedia

The sign of the Troll, when unable to respond because it's Troll buttocks have been handed to it it, it funnies.

 

[protectionist]

Hey they started the war, and the Union finished it. They caused much death. They fought and they loss, maybe those 11 states should of been taken by Mexico. Do you want to go to Mexico now?? Or do you want to be part of the US. Good riddens.

I live in Florida. That is where soldiers from here fought for. To DEFEND it from invaders from hundreds of miles way. still, the topic is SOLDIERS don't make policy,

And "they" started the war ? Not the soldiers. POLITICIANS did that.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."

What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.

What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?

When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?

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Abraham Myers - Wikipedia

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Judah P. Benjamin - Wikipedia

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Alexander Hart - Wikipedia

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What's next digging their corpses up?

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The Jewish Confederates - Wikipedia

What the **** does this post have to do with ---- anything?

Do either of you girls read?

That post has A LOT to do with things.

Answer it, are those Jewish Confederates racist bigots? Considering EVERYONE who had a part in the Confederacy are ALL racist bigots, then you should answer yes.

Sorry I know that post of mine would make your type uncomfortable, doesn't fit into the Leftist narrative does it.

 

[protectionist]

The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.

Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?

 

[protectionist]

Still.................I don't think statues of soldiers who lost the war is appropriate. Monuments and memorials are generally erected for SUCCESSFUL people who did successful things and won.

Should we put up statues of some of the Nazi generals in with our WWII memorials as well?

Nazi general didn't live in Florida. That's where I live, and where some of the soldiers in the statues lived. Lee lived in Virginia. Let's not stretch this out of proportion OK ? Or should we start talking about slaveowners George Washington, T. Jefferson. Want to remove their monuments ?

 

[bodecea]

The mayors, governors, and other politicians who are calling for, and removing statues of former military generals, are soldier haters - pure & simple. Example - in Baltimore, statues of Robert E. Lee and Thomas Stonewall" Jackson were removed in the middle of the night, the mayor knowing there would be anger and opposition. So much for representitive government.

These actions are a disgrace, and an abusive insult to every soldier serving in the military, and every military veteran in America (if not the whole world). The often heard (idiotic) excuse that the statues represent hate, racism, and bigotry, is ludicrous, and an insult to everyone's intelligence.

The mayor of Tampa, Florida, Bob Buckhorn has said this same thing, and even donated $1,000 to have a Civil War monument removed, which has statues of 2 low ranked soldiers in it. Problem with the mayor's ridiculous excuse, is that whatever racism or bigotry existed, it came from POLITICIANS. But statues being removed in Tampa, Charlottesville, Lexington, KY and other places, are not of politicians. They are statues of SOLDIERS. They were people who made no policies of any kind. They simply followed orders, and did the toughest job anyone could do. Many lost their lives. They had nothing to do with the policies of slavery, secession, confederacy, etc. In fact, many of these soldiers (especially the generals) served in the military for many years before the Civil War even started.

These statue removals are despicable acts perpetrated by military and soldier haters, most of whom never served themselves. They are dishonoring these fine, courageous heroes, who went to war, defending their states, counties, and towns from attackers. These governors, mayors, etc should be voted out of office, or recalled if possible. Soldier haters have no business to be holding political office.

For every one of these soldiers whose statues are removed, 3 of theirs should be put up in response. Make the statue removing, soldier haters pay for their bad behavior.

As retired military, I'm not a fan of statues glorifying those who killed U.S. soldiers and sailors. But the final call is that of the city/town/county/state that is responsible for the maintenance of said statues.

 

[bodecea]

The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.

Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?

So the generals of the con-federacy were too stupid to know they were committing treason and killing what should have been their fellow Americans?

 

[emilynghiem]

---- and you know damn well it's not about "statues" since nobody in Charlottesville said boo about Robert E. Lee -- it was all "alt-right" and "we hate Jews" and Nazi this and Klan that and Vanguard the other thing and "you will not replace us" and beating a random black man with poles --- in other words the same bullshit that was going on a hundred years ago with the lynchings and the race riots and people being whipped for being Jewish or Catholic. They're trying to revive a time when that shit was powerful enough TO erect statues and monuments. It's all a grand hate-wank.

It's not Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson that is the operative symbol here. The symbol is the epoch they're trying to resurrect. The era when the Klan was resurrected and signed up millions. The era when black people were expected to lower their eyes and sit in the back and use separate water fountains. THAT is what it's about.

What Pogo? How many people are you thinking are trying to set up such a hate state? Last I heard there were fewer than 10,000 members of such groups.

Why aren't you worried about terrorist cells that are much greater and broader in number?

I did look up "Preston Widington" who has connected with White Supremacists in Russia. The reason the European fighters got so violent, is their politicians and candidates were getting PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED AND KILLED for speaking up against Islamic rapes and crimes against people of the native countries.

They are afraid of mass genocide across many countries, by terrorists hiding among immigrant populations, and only surfacing after a bombing goes off.

In America, the groups preaching AGAINST Christians are NOT the Muslims.
I find the Liberals and LGBT attacking religious beliefs of Christians as a threat.

Look who is winning that war for political correctness and control of the narrative:

The liberal secularists win lawsuits to REMOVE crosses, Bibles, prayers from public institutions, while at the same time FORCING beliefs in gay marriage and LGBT practices as "natural" which are equally FAITH BASED, but somehow forced against the beliefs of others by "inclusion of diversity".

This "inclusion of cultural diversity and beliefs" ISN'T applied to:
* Christians who don't believe in gay marriage
* People who believe in gender determined at birth not by spiritual identity
* Former gays who used to identify as homosexual but changed to heterosexual

So that's why liberals are accused of a biased culture war.

There are lawsuits where people were fined or forced by law into participating in same sex activities they don't believe in endorsing.

Honestly Pogo, if Atheists were sued and forced to participate in Christmas activities, there would be an uproar.

There is a huge bias going against the conservatives and Christians, because of fear of them having more power.

It's not about "political correctness" but
"political convenience" and "political power."

 

[bodecea]

Still.................I don't think statues of soldiers who lost the war is appropriate. Monuments and memorials are generally erected for SUCCESSFUL people who did successful things and won.

Should we put up statues of some of the Nazi generals in with our WWII memorials as well?

Nazi general didn't live in Florida. That's where I live, and where some of the soldiers in the statues lived. Lee lived in Virginia. Let's not stretch this out of proportion OK ? Or should we start talking about slaveowners George Washington, T. Jefferson. Want to remove their monuments ?

Did Washington and Jefferson commit treason against the United States and lead armies to kill fellow Americans?

 

[protectionist]

As retired military, I'm not a fan of statues glorifying those who killed U.S. soldiers and sailors. But the final call is that of the city/town/county/state that is responsible for the maintenance of said statues.

If you lived in Florida, you might not be a fan of glorifying statues of those who killed Florida soldiers and sailors. If you lived in Alabama, you might not like those who killed Alabama guys.

 

[protectionist]

Did Washington and Jefferson commit treason against the United States and lead armies to kill fellow Americans?

The monument removers cite racism and slavery as their objection to the monuments, not secession, and again it wasn't SOLDIERS who made any of these policies (secession, war, slavery, etc)

 

[bodecea]

The soldiers didn't put those statues up. The statues didn't put themselves up. You go look up who did put them up, and why.

By the way, know who was president of a college just after the Civil War that had its own Klan chapter that would abduct and rape nearby black schoolgirls?

Robert E. Lee.

1. I don't care who put them up.

2. You're not presenting the whole story (or any source or link to it) For all I know this may be a tall tale, Lee may not have even known of this stuff, if it's true at all.

3. The statues honor Lee for his military service, not president of a college.

His military service to an enemy of the United States. An enemy that killed more Americans than in any other war we've ever had.

 

[bodecea]

More likely they're haters of racism and bigotry, which is the environment whence all these statues and monuments came.

They don't date from the Civil War or just-after. They date from the turn of the century, the period of this country's worst nadir of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the resurrection of the Klan, "Birth of a Nation", race rioting and rampant discrimination. All branches of the same tree, all there to serve the cause of White Supremacy. In fact the Klan itself set some of them up.

So it would seem they're haters of bigotry, racism, lynchings, Jim Crow, the Klan, "whites only", the "gentleman's agreement" that kept blacks out of baseball for six decades between Moses Walker and Jackie Robinson, the Klan, and everything that feeds that sewer.

"Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind.

Shall we now "defend" the other expressions of the time and bring back the Klan? "Colored" public water fountains? Ban blacks from baseball?

Context, m'boy, context. You're standing in a forest. Quit gazing at a single tree.

""Soldiers" doesn't even enter into it. That's just a shield the bigots hide behind."

What about the below soldiers, where they racist bigots also? They're ALL Jewish Confederates, who fought and died.

What's next ogo? You Rabid Leftist Fascists beginning burning the books?

When do the Rabid Leftist Fascists begin digging up the corpses off ALL Confederate SOLDIERS?

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Abraham Myers - Wikipedia

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Judah P. Benjamin - Wikipedia

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Alexander Hart - Wikipedia

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What's next digging their corpses up?

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The Jewish Confederates - Wikipedia

Can you point out the city/town/state that is voting to remove con-federate veteran grave stones?

 

[protectionist]

I can't even follow this incoherency. If you can't make your point in a paragraph, nobody's going to read it, not even if it's addressed to them. What the hell does Ted Kennedy have to do with the White Supremacy movement?

I don't advocate "removal" or "censor" of anything. I'm simply educating the OP on his misdefinition of what the root causes are.

What the hell does White supremacy movement have to do with SOLDIERS' statues ? (if there even IS any ws "movement")

Hope my question educates YOU a little bit.

 

[emilynghiem]

The statues are of traitors who took up arms against their country. fail.

Got a reading comprehension problem ? Again, soldiers aren't traitors, and it was politicians who went against the Union. Got it ?

So the generals of the con-federacy were too stupid to know they were committing treason and killing what should have been their fellow Americans?

Dear bodecea
I guess it's like calling Obama a traitor for violating the Constitution
by signing and enforcing the ACA mandates that violate beliefs of half the nation.

Whether he was aware of that, depends on interpretation of the Constitution.
If he interprets his beliefs and those of Constitutionalists as equal beliefs,
then it is wrongful to abuse govt to establish one belief and penalize the other.

If he really believes that right to health care is inherently in the meaning of the Constitution he swore to defend, and believes the opposition is depriving others of that equal right, then he is on the same level as Constitutionalists who believe THEIR interpretation is the real meaning, and Obama's is a separate belief protected under the First Amendment though it cannot be established by govt.

At most, Obama's beliefs TIE with those of Constitutionalists like me who believe the ACA was unconstitutional and a violation of federal duties and public oath of office.

So if you consider what the Southern leaders thought they were defending, as the right of States to change their policies without coercion by federal govt,
I think they were just as wrong as Obama.

Yes, States have rights, but no these cannot be abused to "disparage" Constitutional rights and freedoms that reflect natural rights of man.

If Obama can still be honored in history, though he signed and enforced a laws that can be proven unconstitutional and wrong (at the very least, because it established one Constitutional belief over another equal Constitutional belief, which is still unconstitutional), so can the other leaders who fought and lobbied on the wrong side of history with the slave issue. At least they were right about States rights, though this didn't apply to defending slavery. it does apply to defending right of choice in health care, or else mandating it creates situations of "involuntary servitude" as Rand Paul argued.

Do these leaders recognize they are violating their own oaths of office?

I hope Obama is wise enough to understand the argument about equal political beliefs, and will part of the next reform movement -- to recognize political parties as political beliefs or religions, and set up means for resolving conflicts or keeping beliefs separate or out of govt instead of inciting "civil wars."