Confederate constitution legalized slavery

[James Everett]

Bill Moyers? Americans lost more than half a million of their best and bravest on both sides because the Lincoln administration did not have the intelligence or the emotional veracity to make a deal with the border states to put off a conflagration that would kill a freaking 6th of the population. Lincoln was the problem, not the solution.

Lest we forget, Lincoln didn't act in a vacuum. The northern states that remained sent people to Congress that demanded the rebellion be put down, passed budgets and laws and raised armies to do just that. Lincoln may have been in charge of the army but the northern states were the ones that ultimately decided the southern states had no authority to simply leave the union.

Maine had no problem telling Mississippi they couldn't leave.

There must have been a law or amendment to the U.S. CONstitution that stated that secession was illegal. Absent a law making something unlawful or illegal, it remains legal. The tenth amendment retained that authority to each individual State.

 

[James Everett]

Remember that when the nutters try to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

I love it when these threads are posted allowing me yet another opportunity to slap Yankees around.

 

[James Everett]

To wit:

"Historian John Hope Franklin wrote of President Lincoln :

"In the fall of 1861 he attempted an experiment with compensated emancipation in Delaware. He interested his friends there and urged them to propose it to the Delaware legislature.

He went so far as to write a draft of the bill, which provided for gradual emancipation, and another which provided that the federal government would share the expenses of compensating masters for their slaves. Although these bills were much discussed, there was too much opposition to introduce them."2 With less than 2000 slaves in the whole state, Delaware seemed like an ideal laboratory for President Lincoln's idea, but Congressman George Fisher was unable to get state legislative approval for the idea.

Meanwhile, the President worked a compensated emancipation plan for all slave-owning states. In early 1862, President Lincoln told abolitionist Mocure D. Conway that southerners "had become at an early day, when there was at least a feeble conscience against slavery, deeply involved commercially and socially with the institution.

He pitied them heartily, all the more that it had corrupted them; and he earnestly advised us to use what influence we might have to impress on the people the feeling that they should be ready and eager to share largely the pecuniary losses to which the South would be subjected if emancipation should occur. It was the disease of the entire nation, all must share the suffering of its removal."3

President Lincoln told New York businessman-journalist James R. Gilmore:

"The feeling is against slavery, not against the South. The war has educated our people into abolition, and they now deny that slaves can be property. But there are two sides to that question.

One is ours, the other, the southern side; and those people are just as honest and conscientious in their opinion as we are in ours. They think they have a moral and legal right to their slaves, and until very recently the North has been of the same opinion. For two hundred years the whole country has admitted it and regarded and treated the slaves as property. Now, does the mere fact that the North has come suddenly to a contrary opinion give us the right to take the slaves from their owners without compensation? The blacks must be freed. Slavery is the bone we are fighting over. It must be got out of the way to give us permanent peace, and if we have to fight this war till the South is subjugated, then I think we shall be justified in freeing the slaves without compensation. But in any settlement arrived at before they force things to that extremity, is it not right and fair that we should make payment for the slaves?"4

In December 1861, the President sent for Massachusetts Senator Charles Sumner. ...

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Blair promised to try to work on his fellow Border State Congressmen and have them visit the President the following day. The response was not positive. Historian James M. McPherson wrote:

"At a meeting with Lincoln on March 10...border-state congressmen questioned the constitutionality of the proposal, bristled at Lincoln's warning, and deplored the anticipated race problem that would emerge with a large free black population."

President Lincoln told Carl Schurz, a diplomat-turned general, that "He was not altogether without hope that the proposition he had presented to the southern states in his message of March 6th would find favorable consideration, at least in some of the border states. He had made the proposition in perfect good faith; it was, perhaps, the last of the kind; and if they repelled it, theirs was the responsibility."12

Compensated Emancipation - Abraham Lincoln

The guerrilla that you attempt to hide in the closet is that the U.S. would have been free to end slavery by law in the U.S. with the secession of the Southern States, yet Lincoln chose rebellion to the lawful authority of the U.S. COnstitutions tenth amendment, destroying the union of States in the process. It is a little difficult for the Yankee to maintain any moral superiority while at the same time they were fighting to "preserve the union" and "end Slavery", they were simultaneously exterminating or Native American Indian brothers.

 

[James Everett]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

So did the Confederate states Of America make a provision in their new Constitution that states can leave the CSA if unhappy or The CSA government makes a law they don't like?

The dirty secret is that the Lincoln administration could have made compensation for the border states for a couple of years and avoided the most incredible carnage in history but Lincoln appointed ass-holes made a series of bad decisions. It wasn't about slavery or state's rights. It was about stupid political confrontation that was based on emotion.

It was about secession of states from the union. Revisionists history tells otherwise. Dumb asses, who do not know it better because they never look into historical facts, are just parroting the crap invented by the revisionists.

And I would like for a Yankee dumb ass to cite the law that states that secession was or is an illegal or unlawful act. I have been awaiting the citing of this law for a long time now, but as yet have had a DUMB ASSED Yankee be able to cite such.

 

[James Everett]

This few moments of slapping Yankees around with truth and facts has been such wonderful fun, but its off to work I go. Check back later tonight.

 

[Steven_R]

Bill Moyers? Americans lost more than half a million of their best and bravest on both sides because the Lincoln administration did not have the intelligence or the emotional veracity to make a deal with the border states to put off a conflagration that would kill a freaking 6th of the population. Lincoln was the problem, not the solution.

Lest we forget, Lincoln didn't act in a vacuum. The northern states that remained sent people to Congress that demanded the rebellion be put down, passed budgets and laws and raised armies to do just that. Lincoln may have been in charge of the army but the northern states were the ones that ultimately decided the southern states had no authority to simply leave the union.

Maine had no problem telling Mississippi they couldn't leave.

There must have been a law or amendment to the U.S. CONstitution that stated that secession was illegal. Absent a law making something unlawful or illegal, it remains legal. The tenth amendment retained that authority to each individual State.

Legal arguments aside, the northern states through their actions said secession is illegal. If any state tries to leave, they will be forced back into the nation.

Blood in, blood out isn't just for gangs.

 

[Asclepias]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"The CSA government exists in exile and may be restored by the People of the Southern Confederate States when they decide its time to end U.S. occupation" is loony, but not as loony as Jeri's contention the KKK was started by the Jesuits. But if Jeri is right, maybe the CSA was started by Jesuits.

 

[Ravi]

Remember that when the nutters try to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

I love it when these threads are posted allowing me yet another opportunity to slap Yankees around.

When are you going to do it?

 

[James Everett]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

 

[James Everett]

Bill Moyers? Americans lost more than half a million of their best and bravest on both sides because the Lincoln administration did not have the intelligence or the emotional veracity to make a deal with the border states to put off a conflagration that would kill a freaking 6th of the population. Lincoln was the problem, not the solution.

Lest we forget, Lincoln didn't act in a vacuum. The northern states that remained sent people to Congress that demanded the rebellion be put down, passed budgets and laws and raised armies to do just that. Lincoln may have been in charge of the army but the northern states were the ones that ultimately decided the southern states had no authority to simply leave the union.

Maine had no problem telling Mississippi they couldn't leave.

There must have been a law or amendment to the U.S. CONstitution that stated that secession was illegal. Absent a law making something unlawful or illegal, it remains legal. The tenth amendment retained that authority to each individual State.

Legal arguments aside, the northern states through their actions said secession is illegal. If any state tries to leave, they will be forced back into the nation.

Blood in, blood out isn't just for gangs.

Oh how cute!!! Now the U.S. is not a nation of laws? It is a nation built on the foundation of the blood of others?
Thanks for pointing to the tyranny of YOUR government!

 

[Asclepias]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

BS. The south engaged in the slaughter of NA's as well. The difference is that the south fought a war to keep Black people enslaved. Sorry but you loose despite thinking you are educating someone.

 

[Ravi]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

 

[Asclepias]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

People deflect once they find out they are wrong but lack the capacity to just learn from it.

 

[James Everett]

Remember that when the nutters try to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

I love it when these threads are posted allowing me yet another opportunity to slap Yankees around.

When are you going to do it?

When our people have had enough of the occupation, the process of registration is underway, and then the building of a body politic outside the duopoly controlled U.S. political process. However the economic collapse may occur before the process is complete. Only time will tell.

 

[Asclepias]

Remember that when the nutters try to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

I love it when these threads are posted allowing me yet another opportunity to slap Yankees around.

When are you going to do it?

When our people have had enough of the occupation, the process of registration is underway, and then the building of a body politic outside the duopoly controlled U.S. political process. However the economic collapse may occur before the process is complete. Only time will tell.

So IOW you are doing anything now?

 

[James Everett]

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

People deflect once they find out they are wrong but lack the capacity to just learn from it.

Oh everyone knows that slavery is wrong, yet Yankees still will not face the immorality of their past and present.
They prefer to point to others rather than look in the mirror.

 

[Asclepias]

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

People deflect once they find out they are wrong but lack the capacity to just learn from it.

Oh everyone knows that slavery is wrong, yet Yankees still will not face the immorality of their past and present.
They prefer to point to others rather than look in the mirror.

Thats what happens when the subject is about the losers called the confederates. They fought to keep Blacks enslaved. They lost. That has nothing to do with NA's.

 

[James Everett]

The Confederacy only existed for a couple of years in American history but it gives low information idiots a target for hatred. The Confederacy never funded a slave ship or captured a Negro in Africa. The sad truth about the 200 years of international slavery is that the ensign that flew off slave ships wasn't the Confederate battle flag that mostly inner city northern idiots grew up hating. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships was the British union jack and the French and Spanish flags and the Stars and Stripes. The industrial revolution would have put slavery out of business but the inept Lincoln administration couldn't wait. Innocent Southern people who had nothing to do with slavery died because Lincoln hired a drunk and a maniac to kill civilians.

No such thing as innocent white Southern people. If they supported the confederacy either actively or passively they supported slavery primarily for economic reasons.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."

And there were no innocent Yankees as they were fully aware that their U.S. government was exterminating Native American Indian women and children. You hold no moral superiority so give that one up.

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

Hey, idiot....
The thread is not about the CSA Constitution, it is about Slavery within, hence it is a point to the mistreatment of fellow man, of which the Yankee has plenty to atone for, without pointing elsewhere. Face your own evils before you point to others.

 

[James Everett]

That only works if we are talking about NA's instead of slavery as presented by the OP. The fact you had to deflect to feel just as dirty as the Yankees is amusing.

The fact is.....
The two are related as they relate to the treatment of fellow man, hence the Yankee, has no right to point to the immorality of the enslavement of the Black man when their ancestors did worse to the Native American Indian to whom you disrespect in your abbreviation. It is always the Yankee tactic to deflect from its immoral past by pointing a crooked finger South and screaming slavery. I wont fly.

Hey, Bozo. This thread is about the Confederate constitution. Why the deflection?

People deflect once they find out they are wrong but lack the capacity to just learn from it.

Oh everyone knows that slavery is wrong, yet Yankees still will not face the immorality of their past and present.
They prefer to point to others rather than look in the mirror.

Thats what happens when the subject is about the losers called the confederates. They fought to keep Blacks enslaved. They lost. That has nothing to do with NA's.

You have your own Yankee misdeeds to atone for. You deal with yours, and we will deal with ours. In other words, IF YOU ARE NOT A SOUTHERN CONFEDERATE, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, AND ATONE FOR THE SINS OF YOUR GOVERNMENT.