Concealed carry in Illinois, one year later....a "non event".....

[2aguy]

So have IL crime rates gone down?

And Chicago is reporting a 20% drop in crime....but they could be lying like the British do....

Chicago 2013 Homicide Rate Is Down 20 Percent From Last Year Through November Police

Is carry allowed in Chicago?

Evidently...

Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year...

Read more: Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Policing may have just picked up.

What they did in 2011 and 2012....

John Lott s Website Waste in Chicago Police Department

Chicago suffered 507 murders in 2012, up from 433 in 2011. The increase was a result of cuts in the number of police and a reorganization of police, such as moving detectives from high to low crime areas of the city. But after cutting back on the number of police, even Chicago politicians realized that had been a mistake. But their short term solution was to massively increase overtime hours for existing police officers.

In 2013, some $93 million was spent on overtime, burning through two-thirds of their $32 million overtime budget in just their first three months of the year. The official number of murders then declined to 415, though there are some real issues of how much of that decline was due to corruption and falsifying the numbers. Despite the decline in Chicago murders, the city still had more murders than more populous cities -- New York and Los Angeles. LA had 298 murders in 20

12 and about 250 in 2013. New York had 414 murders in 2012 and 333 in 2013.

 

[2aguy]

So have IL crime rates gone down?

And Chicago is reporting a 20% drop in crime....but they could be lying like the British do....

Chicago 2013 Homicide Rate Is Down 20 Percent From Last Year Through November Police

Is carry allowed in Chicago?

Evidently...

Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year...

Read more: Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Policing may have just picked up.

What they did in 2011 and 2012....

John Lott s Website Waste in Chicago Police Department

Chicago suffered 507 murders in 2012, up from 433 in 2011. The increase was a result of cuts in the number of police and a reorganization of police, such as moving detectives from high to low crime areas of the city. But after cutting back on the number of police, even Chicago politicians realized that had been a mistake. But their short term solution was to massively increase overtime hours for existing police officers.

In 2013, some $93 million was spent on overtime, burning through two-thirds of their $32 million overtime budget in just their first three months of the year. The official number of murders then declined to 415, though there are some real issues of how much of that decline was due to corruption and falsifying the numbers. Despite the decline in Chicago murders, the city still had more murders than more populous cities -- New York and Los Angeles. LA had 298 murders in 20

12 and about 250 in 2013. New York had 414 murders in 2012 and 333 in 2013.

And a more complete breakdown...

John Lott s Website Police and crime in Chicago The ups and downs in Chicago s crime rates

First Mayor Rahm Emanuel cuts the number of police officers. Here is data from the FBI's UCR:
2008 13,359
2009 13,088
2010 12,515
2011 12,092
2012 11,944

The number of police detectives that solve crimes also fell from 1,100 in 2010, the year before Emanuel became mayor, to 924 in 2012 -- that is a 16 percent drop in just two years.

Even worse, under Emanuel police were moved to unfamiliar neighborhoods, losing years of knowledge in dealing with informants and other contacts. As a great website entitled Second City Cop, which is run by a Chicago cop, explains:

The article explains in detail how Detective Areas were closed, manpower scattered across unfamiliar neighborhoods, and a complete lack of promoting detectives hamstrung the D-unit over the course of years. J-Fled is quoted along with Tommy Byrne (he loves the reorganization by the way) and numerous anonymous detectives.

We haven't heard the clearance rate this year, but we're sure anything above 30% will be touted as brilliant planning by McConsolidation and his staff. . . . Page 3 of the Chicago magazine article shows the meat of the problem, with the map and discussion clearly showing they moved where detectives are stationed further away from crime spots.

 

[JoeB131]

And yet almost all suicides in Japan are not done with a gun....and they commit suicide at twice our rate......as do any number of other countries with strict gun control laws....

No, actually, most other countries with strict laws have LOWER suicide rates, and you wingnuts argue that our suicide rate and murder rates ARE higher when you argue against single payer health care.

Japan's suicide rate is an outlier because they have a culture that doesn't consider suicide to be morally wrong, and even honorable. I'm personally happy they dispensed with the seppuku.

 

[2aguy]

And yet almost all suicides in Japan are not done with a gun....and they commit suicide at twice our rate......as do any number of other countries with strict gun control laws....

No, actually, most other countries with strict laws have LOWER suicide rates, and you wingnuts argue that our suicide rate and murder rates ARE higher when you argue against single payer health care.

Japan's suicide rate is an outlier because they have a culture that doesn't consider suicide to be morally wrong, and even honorable. I'm personally happy they dispensed with the seppuku.

Sorry Joe....America doesn't even crack the top 10 and South Korea...land of gun control and the worst mass shooting in history....until Norway, I think....South Korea is #2...