Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Uncensored2008]

No, not at all.
Socialism and communism require communal, collaborative, and collective decision making and profit sharing.
When you have an elite leadership that prospers at the expense of others, that is pure capitalism.

You're so full of shit. Do you even know that you're lying? Or are you so caught up in the big lie that you actually believe the evil shit you push.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The NAZI's were facists.

Yes, and Fascism is Mussolini's brand of socialism.

You're far too stupid to grasp it, but consider how Il Duce with his state controlled corporations differed from Feudal baronies? What three differences do you find? You can scurry back to the hive to ask your masters, if you wish.

Sure as long as you ignore the FACT that both Mussolini and Hitler jailed and KILLED socialists.

Odd huh?

Dunno, let me ask the Mensheviks?



You dumb ************, socialist dictators always kill their rivals.

 

[Lesh]

Socialist dictators target...socialists? While condemning them for BEING socialists?

 

[Flopper]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Comparing socialism and capitalism isn't a fair comparison today when neither really exist. What we have in America today is regulated capitalism with a large dash of socialism and a gallon of corporatism. There is no doubt that it serves the wealthy but that was not the goal of capitalism. Socialism appears to serves the lowest economic classes but that was not the goal. The goal of capitalism and socialism has always been the same, to eliminate shortages and poverty. What differs is the method of attaining those goals.

Instead of endless discussion about economic systems that don't even exist why not discuss what really exist and how changes might be made to improved the situation without falling back on Utopian systems. Looking at every part of the economy using a yardstick of socialism/capitalism serves no useful purpose.

 

[Bush92]

student loans are simply underwritten by Fed and individual banks must be paid back by signee

The only student loans that are NOT socialism are those that are NOT underwritten or regulated by government in any way

Your lie is really ******* stupid. You should inform your hive master that the normals mock you for your stupidity with these lies.

The worker bees being the mainstream media, liberal college professors and revisionist history, and members of Congress with queen bee Ol bug eyed Pelosi.

 

[Bush92]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Comparing socialism and capitalism isn't a fair comparison today when neither really exist. What we have in America today is regulated capitalism with a large dash of socialism and a gallon of corporatism. There is no doubt that it serves the wealthy but that was not the goal of capitalism. Socialism appears to serves the lowest economic classes but that was not the goal. The goal of capitalism and socialism has always been the same, to eliminate shortages and poverty. What differs is the method of attaining those goals.

Instead of endless discussion about economic systems that don't even exist why not discuss what really exist and how changes might be made to improved the situation without falling back on Utopian systems. Looking at every part of the economy using a yardstick of socialism/capitalism serves no useful purpose.

The more free market capitalism we have...the more freedom we have.

 

[Bush92]

The NAZI's were facists.

Yes, and Fascism is Mussolini's brand of socialism.

You're far too stupid to grasp it, but consider how Il Duce with his state controlled corporations differed from Feudal baronies? What three differences do you find? You can scurry back to the hive to ask your masters, if you wish.

Sure as long as you ignore the FACT that both Mussolini and Hitler jailed and KILLED socialists.

Odd huh?

They eliminated the competition on the left of the political spectrum and were backed by the industrialist who realized fascism was the lesser of two evils because communist would seize their property and capital.

 

[Bush92]

Those ARE socialist things my friend.

If it ain't free market...it's socialist and none of those things are free market

No stupid ****, they are not.

My god but you're ******* stupid.

The middle class is a uniquely American occurrence, given rise by the Market Revolution. ( How Did the Market Revolution Change America ) I get that you're uneducated and dumb as a lamp post, but the rest of us are not the stupid ***** that you are. Specialization combined with free markets provided the opportunity for private enterprise to produce more than needed for subsistence for the first time in history, allowing farmers and tradesmen to accumulate hard currency, educate their children, and pass inheritance on to subsequent generations.

That has nothing to do with the fact that huge chunks of the infra structure that helped us utilize those inventions...were built by tax dollars THROUGH GOVERNMENT ACTIONS... that's "socialism" my stupid loudmouthed friend.

And that doesn't even touch on Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and the VA and worker safety rules and the 40 hour week and the EPA and the FDA

and on and on...ya dumb bastard

What about those “shovel ready jobs?”

 

[Lesh]

The more free market capitalism we have...the more freedom we have.

And there is the REAL discussion.

How MUCH socialism do we need to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

 

[Andylusion]

Truth hurts you huh?

If you don't like people attacking your character........... have better character. Stop lying.

Truth hurts you huh?

If you don't like people attacking your character........... have better character. Stop lying.

Back to the subject.
Do you see any lies in the following?

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

"Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars.

"One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands.

"More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border.

"During the war, the company made use of Nazi slave labour from the concentration camps, including Auschwitz.

"The ownership of CSSC changed hands several times in the 1930s, but documents from the US National Archive declassified last year link Bush to CSSC, although it is not clear if he and UBC were still involved in the company when Thyssen's American assets were seized in 1942."

Is it a lie to say Fritz Thyssen and the Bush family practiced capitalism?

Is it lying to claim Hitler's National Socialists would have found it much more difficult to gain power in Germany without the backing of prominent western capitalists?

HENRY FORD WAS A NAZI! — Steemit

And the question is.......... so what? Yes I see a bunch of lies here..... the lies are the implication that because someone ages ago did something, means that we should destroy people in 2019 over actions in 1930.

There were many people in the 1920/30s that supported Hitler. Many. And most were left-wingers to be honest, because Hitler was for free education and infrastructure spending, and all sort of left-wing ideals still be pushed by the moronic left today. Lefties have only complained about people who supported Hitler, after it was fashionable to do so.

Just like many supported Hugo Chavez, and now that the left-wing dictatorship is causing mass starvation while exporting money into foreign accounts.... NOW... they are against it.

The only difference between the two, is that the left-wing support of Hugo Chavez was in the last 20 years. The support by some great grand father of Bush, for Hitler or whatever, was just under a 100 years ago, and all the people in question are dead. I know people that had Hugo Chavez as their avatar, as being a model to follow, who used to post on this forum.

So spare me "we have to go back to WW2 to prove we're better than you" BS crap. You are not. The very fact you have to go that far back to come up with some pathetic reason that you are better than someone else.... that alone proves you are not better than anyone. Totally pathetic.

And the question is.......... so what? Yes I see a bunch of lies here..... the lies are the implication that because someone ages ago did something, means that we should destroy people in 2019 over actions in 1930.

What specific lie do you see here?
Is it lying to say Fritz Thyssen and the Bush family practiced capitalism and not socialism?
Did Bush and Thyssen help Hitler rise to power?

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

"By the time Fritz Thyssen inherited the business empire in 1926, Germany's economic recovery was faltering.

"After hearing Adolf Hitler speak, Thyssen became mesmerised by the young firebrand.

"He joined the Nazi party in December 1931 and admits backing Hitler in his autobiography, I Paid Hitler, when the National Socialists were still a radical fringe party.

"He stepped in several times to bail out the struggling party: in 1928 Thyssen had bought the Barlow Palace on Briennerstrasse, in Munich, which Hitler converted into the Brown House, the headquarters of the Nazi party.

"The money came from another Thyssen overseas institution, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvarrt in Rotterdam.

"By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war."

Can you name any left-wingers who supported Hitler in the 1920s/30s?

Huh? Henry Ford himself was a left-winger. You yourself mentioned left-wingers that supported Hitler.

German Consulate List 1945

If you want, you can see this list. This was captured in an FBI raid, where they found documents of hundreds of names, of pro-nazi sympathizers in Hollywood. The list contains super wealthy elites, Hollywood actors, and professors at UCLA and more.

Now unless you want to claim that all the UCLA professors, and hollywood actors, and the rich elites of Hollywood California were all right-wing..... I would suggest this alone is proof.

But be my guest trying to prove they were all right-wingers. We all know how right-wing religious conservative UCLA and Hollywood actors have been for decades.

Wow...welcome to backwards world.

Neither Ford nor Hitler were left wingers

Please illuminate me. How many of Hitlers, or Ford's promoted policies were free-market Capitalist?

I am begging to be enlightened by your far superior knowledge.

Hitler was big in to public works, and vast infrastructure spending. Which side is typically pushing infrastructure spending? Right or left?

Hitler was a big proponent of protectionism, which is a left-wing view. Up until Trump, no one saw right-wingers as protectionist, and to this day, is it left-wing or right-wing governments that engage in protectionism? Venezuela, India prior to the 90s, and China prior to the 70s?

Hitler was a huge proponent of education, but specifically government funded and controlled education. Which side, the right or the left, is all about free government education? And which side is constantly trying to push politically correct agendas using government (hint NEA)? Which side freaks out that someone might not be following the PC script with education? Like say a Catholic school?

Hitler was big on controlling the freedom of speech, and outlining what was considered acceptable... or I should say politically correct speech. Which side, right or left, tries to control speech?

Protests trying to prevent a right-wing lecture.

The real irony, is with regards to racism. In order for the left-wingers to try and claim they are not Nazis, they basically boil the entire Nazi political views down to just "racism" as if that was the only policy Hitler ever push.

In reality though, they fail even at that. Racism has been purvasive in the left-wing for as long as it exists, and equally Hitler wasn't entirely racists. He identified closely with some other races. His only real racial hatred was for Jews... and we see that in the left-wing today with AOC, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, Ilhan Omar, and the list of jew-hating people supported by the left goes on.

So from every single possible perspective... by any objective measure, the left-wing has far more in common with the Nazis, than the right ever has.

 

[Edgetho]

Comparing socialism and capitalism isn't a fair comparison today when neither really exist. What we have in America today is regulated capitalism with a large dash of socialism and a gallon of corporatism. There is no doubt that it serves the wealthy but that was not the goal of capitalism. Socialism appears to serves the lowest economic classes but that was not the goal. The goal of capitalism and socialism has always been the same, to eliminate shortages and poverty. What differs is the method of attaining those goals.

Instead of endless discussion about economic systems that don't even exist why not discuss what really exist and how changes might be made to improved the situation without falling back on Utopian systems. Looking at every part of the economy using a yardstick of socialism/capitalism serves no useful purpose.

 

[Edgetho]

In reality though, they fail even at that. Racism has been purvasive in the left-wing for as long as it exists, and equally Hitler wasn't entirely racists. He identified closely with some other races. His only real racial hatred was for Jews... and we see that in the left-wing today with AOC, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, Ilhan Omar, and the list of jew-hating people supported by the left goes on.

So from every single possible perspective... by any objective measure, the left-wing has far more in common with the Nazis, than the right ever has.

Hitler was totally racist. There is no avoiding that simple fact.

He viewed everything through a prism of race and racism.

Much of that was brought on by the humiliation of Germany after WWI by France, Britain and the USA through Woodhead Wilson's wife. Who was an evil *****.

Germany expected to only have to cede a few provinces, pay some small recompense and promise not to kick the shit out of everybody's whipping boy, France, for the next couple of decades.

But instead, they HUMILIATED Germany. Badly. I mean, really badly.

To add salt to the wound, Jews were about the only people to have access to International money. So they'd call their cousin in the US and get him to lend them some money and buy German Property and Goods for, literally, pennies on the dollar.

The Germans took that the wrong way. They should have seen it as people investing in them and their Country. They didn't. They saw it as people stealing their stuff. Which, it kinda was but not totally. Jews weren't very popular in Germany anyway. Different cultures, different -- Everything.

Anyway, Hitler was a racist. Completely.

He saw Slavs as useful for labor, he saw Brits as compatriots if properly 'educated' but Jews? He wanted to get rid of all of them. He would have been happy to ship them somewhere else but nobody would take them.

dimocrap scum's suckfest hero, FDR, banned them from America. Hemingway was involved in trying to help smuggle them to Cuba and then to the USA.

But here's the dirty secret that nobody ever tells you about socialism.....

For it to work, you have to have an entire group of people willing to work together to make it work.

The Russians tried to eliminate Religion. They saw it as a dividing factor. Hitler didn't try to eliminate Judaism, he simply tried to eliminate Jews.

Without the entire Country working together to make socialism work, it WILL fail. Every time.

Every.Single.Time.

History bears this out.

So what happens is, despotic leaders try using force to make people comply with what The State wants.

That's why socialism can't work in this Country. We're way too diverse and way too well-armed.

dimocrap FILTH try doing to us what Stalin did to the Kulaks or what Hitler did to the Jews and it would end very badly for them.

Of course, dimocrap FILTH can always tell you (and they will) that the Kulaks or the Jews deserved it.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth, people.

Believe it.

 

[Flopper]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Comparing socialism and capitalism isn't a fair comparison today when neither really exist. What we have in America today is regulated capitalism with a large dash of socialism and a gallon of corporatism. There is no doubt that it serves the wealthy but that was not the goal of capitalism. Socialism appears to serves the lowest economic classes but that was not the goal. The goal of capitalism and socialism has always been the same, to eliminate shortages and poverty. What differs is the method of attaining those goals.

Instead of endless discussion about economic systems that don't even exist why not discuss what really exist and how changes might be made to improved the situation without falling back on Utopian systems. Looking at every part of the economy using a yardstick of socialism/capitalism serves no useful purpose.

The more free market capitalism we have...the more freedom we have.

Now, I do believe in a free market but that does not mean an unfettered free market is right for all sectors of economy or even most sectors.

If the goal of healthcare is to provide all Americans the healthcare services they need without driving families to the brink of bankruptcy, then the free market has proven to be a disaster. The best solution is private sector healthcare providers and government as the major insurer and private insurance providing supplemental insurance.

Other areas where the free market was a failure includes auto safety, the drug industry, and protecting the environment. In fact, most any segment of the economy where high corporate profits requires damage to the health, environment, or the social structure of America there is need for government regulations.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Those ARE socialist things my friend.

If it ain't free market...it's socialist and none of those things are free market

No stupid ****, they are not.

My god but you're ******* stupid.

The middle class is a uniquely American occurrence, given rise by the Market Revolution. ( How Did the Market Revolution Change America ) I get that you're uneducated and dumb as a lamp post, but the rest of us are not the stupid ***** that you are. Specialization combined with free markets provided the opportunity for private enterprise to produce more than needed for subsistence for the first time in history, allowing farmers and tradesmen to accumulate hard currency, educate their children, and pass inheritance on to subsequent generations.

That has nothing to do with the fact that huge chunks of the infra structure that helped us utilize those inventions...were built by tax dollars THROUGH GOVERNMENT ACTIONS... that's "socialism" my stupid loudmouthed friend.

And that doesn't even touch on Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and the VA and worker safety rules and the 40 hour week and the EPA and the FDA

and on and on...ya dumb bastard

^^^^^^^^^^ Dumbfuck bleats that roads are "socialist"

You can't make this shit up!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialist dictators target...socialists? While condemning them for BEING socialists?

Lenin and Stalin sure did.

You really are a stupid **** - even as democrats go.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The more free market capitalism we have...the more freedom we have.

And there is the REAL discussion.

How MUCH socialism do we need to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Better question, how much KY Jelly do you need to get you head that far up your ass?

Serious question Leach, why didn't you complete primary school through 6th grade?

 

[Lesh]

Socialist dictators target...socialists? While condemning them for BEING socialists?

Lenin and Stalin sure did.

You really are a stupid **** - even as democrats go.

They targeted enemies or socialists...??

Did they condemn them as SOCIALISTS?...or "enemies of the people"...

Where have we heard that phrase before by the way

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialist dictators target...socialists? While condemning them for BEING socialists?

Lenin and Stalin sure did.

You really are a stupid **** - even as democrats go.

They targeted enemies or socialists...??

Did they condemn them as SOCIALISTS?...or "enemies of the people"...

Where have we heard that phrase before by the way

They targeted SOCIALISTS, you functionally illiterate idiot.

 

[Lesh]

Those ARE socialist things my friend.

If it ain't free market...it's socialist and none of those things are free market

No stupid ****, they are not.

My god but you're ******* stupid.

The middle class is a uniquely American occurrence, given rise by the Market Revolution. ( How Did the Market Revolution Change America ) I get that you're uneducated and dumb as a lamp post, but the rest of us are not the stupid ***** that you are. Specialization combined with free markets provided the opportunity for private enterprise to produce more than needed for subsistence for the first time in history, allowing farmers and tradesmen to accumulate hard currency, educate their children, and pass inheritance on to subsequent generations.

That has nothing to do with the fact that huge chunks of the infra structure that helped us utilize those inventions...were built by tax dollars THROUGH GOVERNMENT ACTIONS... that's "socialism" my stupid loudmouthed friend.

And that doesn't even touch on Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and the VA and worker safety rules and the 40 hour week and the EPA and the FDA

and on and on...ya dumb bastard

^^^^^^^^^^ Dumbfuck bleats that roads are "socialist"

You can't make this shit up!

Hey dumbass...a "free market road" would be a privately owned toll road.

 

[Lesh]

They targeted SOCIALISTS, you functionally illiterate idiot.

Did Stalin target anyone for BEING a socialist?

No?

Hitler sure did. You stupid fuk