Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

I have no issue. No matter how it is done it does not work and is inherently evil.


Nothing can be figured out and made to work when every effoert to do so has failed and resulgted in genocide. The idea is not worth one corpse and you have endless piles of corpses you turn a blind eye to

You say it doesn't work. Define "it works" then.

Because China is working. It's taken millions out of poverty, it's increased GDP by more than double in the last 10 years. The people have hope for the future. What about it doesn't work that does work for the US?

 

[frigidweirdo]

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.

And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.

No it is not and the US pounding on others is a government not capitalism

Then the same would be said about Communism. It's a GOVERNMENT pounding on people, killing people, not COMMUNISM.

You can't have it both ways.

The same would not be said about communism as it is specifcally and explicitly designed to do those things where other governments are not.

Well, the problem is Capitalist countries kill.

Capitalist companies would be willing to kill people for profit, or destroy their local area for profit. We've seen it time and time and time again.

Bullshit.

I can't reply to a post that is just one word.

You could if you had an intelligent response but you do not. Your claims are fallacies which you cannot support.

Conversation over then.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Capitalist companies would be willing to kill people for profit, or destroy their local area for profit. We've seen it time and time and time again.

I haven't got enough fingers and toes to tally up all of the examples I've seen in my own lifetime.

Maybe if we dip you in something radioactive, we can grow you more toes and fingers.

I think I might be immune. As a boy, I inhaled plenty of DDT and in Vietnam, I wasn't very far from being collaterally Agent Orange'd.

Maybe you'll wake up with an extra digit or two one day.

 

[22lcidw]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

They do not put up with malcontents, strikes, employees not being productive, etc. as we do though in different ways. Globalists may adopt their system for a central world government.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

They do not put up with malcontents, strikes, employees not being productive, etc. as we do though in different ways. Globalists may adopt their system for a central world government.

The Chinese use slave labor...do the democrats think that is a good model for other nations.

China: 83 major brands implicated in report on forced labour of ethnic minorities from Xinjiang assigned to factories across provinces; Includes company responses - Business & Human Rights Resource Centre

www.business-humanrights.org

 

[GLASNOST]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Since the cat's got his tongue I'll answer your question: "Christianity, racial supremacy, and Capitalism".

Nonsense....black rapists and other violent blacks were lynched along with criminal whites by vigilantes....vigilante justice was quite common back then and despite its shortcomings...far less crime under vigilantism...as in delayed justice is no justice and vigilantism was very swift.

The experiment at Tuskeegee College...a black college...was unfortunate but the black college is responsible for what happened there.

College has nothing to do with it. Take your head out of your ass and sit on your ears instead.

 

[GLASNOST]

Capitalist companies would be willing to kill people for profit, or destroy their local area for profit. We've seen it time and time and time again.

I haven't got enough fingers and toes to tally up all of the examples I've seen in my own lifetime.

Maybe if we dip you in something radioactive, we can grow you more toes and fingers.

I think I might be immune. As a boy, I inhaled plenty of DDT and in Vietnam, I wasn't very far from being collaterally Agent Orange'd.

Maybe you'll wake up with an extra digit or two one day.

Times a-wasting. I'm already 74.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Since the cat's got his tongue I'll answer your question: "Christianity, racial supremacy, and Capitalism".

Nonsense....black rapists and other violent blacks were lynched along with criminal whites by vigilantes....vigilante justice was quite common back then and despite its shortcomings...far less crime under vigilantism...as in delayed justice is no justice and vigilantism was very swift.

The experiment at Tuskeegee College...a black college...was unfortunate but the black college is responsible for what happened there.

College has nothing to do with it. Take your head out of your ass and sit on your ears instead.

Tuskeegee is a black college and that is where the experiments were conducted....do you realy think the black college cared whether or not a few old syphillic black men were used in an experiment for scientific purposes?

Personally I think they do deserve a monument for their contribution to science not to mention their families were rewarded for their participation.

At one time prison inmates were used as guinea pigs....I think they quit doing that though.

 

[GLASNOST]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Since the cat's got his tongue I'll answer your question: "Christianity, racial supremacy, and Capitalism".

Nonsense....black rapists and other violent blacks were lynched along with criminal whites by vigilantes....vigilante justice was quite common back then and despite its shortcomings...far less crime under vigilantism...as in delayed justice is no justice and vigilantism was very swift.

The experiment at Tuskeegee College...a black college...was unfortunate but the black college is responsible for what happened there.

College has nothing to do with it. Take your head out of your ass and sit on your ears instead.

Tuskeegee is a black college and that is where the experiments were conducted....do you realy think the black college cared whether or not a few old syphillic black men were used in an experiment for scientific purposes?

Personally I think they do deserve a monument for their contribution to science not to mention their families were rewarded for their participation.

At one time prison inmates were used as guinea pigs....I think they quit doing that though.

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

I have no issue. No matter how it is done it does not work and is inherently evil.


Nothing can be figured out and made to work when every effoert to do so has failed and resulgted in genocide. The idea is not worth one corpse and you have endless piles of corpses you turn a blind eye to

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about. No idea what ... so ... ever. With all of your BS, on all the pages, in all the days, and all the weeks one would expect you to at least get one detail correct "by mistake". But oh no, you make a complete mockery of the law of averages.

There is that hubris again. I know quite well and what I am stating is factually correct.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Since the cat's got his tongue I'll answer your question: "Christianity, racial supremacy, and Capitalism".

Nonsense....black rapists and other violent blacks were lynched along with criminal whites by vigilantes....vigilante justice was quite common back then and despite its shortcomings...far less crime under vigilantism...as in delayed justice is no justice and vigilantism was very swift.

The experiment at Tuskeegee College...a black college...was unfortunate but the black college is responsible for what happened there.

College has nothing to do with it. Take your head out of your ass and sit on your ears instead.

Tuskeegee is a black college and that is where the experiments were conducted....do you realy think the black college cared whether or not a few old syphillic black men were used in an experiment for scientific purposes?

Personally I think they do deserve a monument for their contribution to science not to mention their families were rewarded for their participation.

At one time prison inmates were used as guinea pigs....I think they quit doing that though.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Pretty much everyone does except you

 

[Soupnazi630]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

I have no issue. No matter how it is done it does not work and is inherently evil.


Nothing can be figured out and made to work when every effoert to do so has failed and resulgted in genocide. The idea is not worth one corpse and you have endless piles of corpses you turn a blind eye to

You say it doesn't work. Define "it works" then.

Because China is working. It's taken millions out of poverty, it's increased GDP by more than double in the last 10 years. The people have hope for the future. What about it doesn't work that does work for the US?

No you are wrong and that has been proven

China is starting to pull people out of poverty due to capitalism. That poverty was caused by comunism.

 

[danielpalos]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

I have no issue. No matter how it is done it does not work and is inherently evil.


Nothing can be figured out and made to work when every effoert to do so has failed and resulgted in genocide. The idea is not worth one corpse and you have endless piles of corpses you turn a blind eye to

You say it doesn't work. Define "it works" then.

Because China is working. It's taken millions out of poverty, it's increased GDP by more than double in the last 10 years. The people have hope for the future. What about it doesn't work that does work for the US?

No you are wrong and that has been proven

China is starting to pull people out of poverty due to capitalism. That poverty was caused by comunism.

Achieved via command economics not free market activities.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.

Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?

Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.

Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'

Maybe the issue you're having is that you assume that Socialism must be done in one way. That's not true.

You could have a socialist company which has competition with another socialist company. China does this. China has many banks, Bank of China, China Construction Bank. ICBC, etc etc. All of them are controlled by the CCP. And yet all of them are competing with each other for business.

Xi has suggested that the state has a 50% control in all large companies. How this works out is yet to be seen. But if the state sits back and allows them to be capitalistic within China, competing with each other, but still essentially Socialist, then potentially it can work.

This is the issue with saying something can't work. Often these things could work, if they are able to figure out how to make it work.

I have no issue. No matter how it is done it does not work and is inherently evil.


Nothing can be figured out and made to work when every effoert to do so has failed and resulgted in genocide. The idea is not worth one corpse and you have endless piles of corpses you turn a blind eye to

You say it doesn't work. Define "it works" then.

Because China is working. It's taken millions out of poverty, it's increased GDP by more than double in the last 10 years. The people have hope for the future. What about it doesn't work that does work for the US?

No you are wrong and that has been proven

China is starting to pull people out of poverty due to capitalism. That poverty was caused by comunism.

Achieved via command economics not free market activities.

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

 

[Soupnazi630]

Objectivism is the only way to harness the power of human nature.

Objectivism is a childish pile of garbage that unethical, immoral people use to justify themselves to themselves.

It is vastly superior to any collectivist idea which is why you kbnow nothing of it.

 

[danielpalos]

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

lol. Done by the socialism of Government merely using capitalism for all of its capital worth. Free market capitalism exists nowhere in the developed world and even failed in Mogadishu where it worked for a little while.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

lol. Done by the socialism of Government merely using capitalism for all of its capital worth. Free market capitalism exists nowhere in the developed world and even failed in Mogadishu where it worked for a little while.

Wrong siumbass mogadishu is a failed socialist state.

Socialism and collectivism always fails and never works the example of china proves that.

Government is not socialism socialism is a type of government.

It was done by surrendering socialist ideas and allowing self determination. Free markets do niot exist because brainwashed cowards and liars such as you fear it.

 

[danielpalos]

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

lol. Done by the socialism of Government merely using capitalism for all of its capital worth. Free market capitalism exists nowhere in the developed world and even failed in Mogadishu where it worked for a little while.

Wrong siumbass mogadishu is a failed socialist state.

Socialism and collectivism always fails and never works the example of china proves that.

Government is not socialism socialism is a type of government.

It was done by surrendering socialist ideas and allowing self determination. Free markets do niot exist because brainwashed cowards and liars such as you fear it.

I am Right even though I am on the left. That makes you Wrong even though You are on the right. See how easy that is when you are too lazy to come up with intellectual arguments.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

lol. Done by the socialism of Government merely using capitalism for all of its capital worth. Free market capitalism exists nowhere in the developed world and even failed in Mogadishu where it worked for a little while.

Wrong siumbass mogadishu is a failed socialist state.

Socialism and collectivism always fails and never works the example of china proves that.

Government is not socialism socialism is a type of government.

It was done by surrendering socialist ideas and allowing self determination. Free markets do niot exist because brainwashed cowards and liars such as you fear it.

I am Right even though I am on the left. That makes you Wrong even though You are on the right. See how easy that is when you are too lazy to come up with intellectual arguments.

No you are notr.

I have proven you wrong and ignorant everyu time on ewvery thread. You know this is true and are just too much of an immature brast to admit when you have been taken to school.

DEveryone knows what a completely stupid little wesel you are

 

[danielpalos]

Done by allowing some free markets and reducing command econimcis you ignorant backwards dumbass

lol. Done by the socialism of Government merely using capitalism for all of its capital worth. Free market capitalism exists nowhere in the developed world and even failed in Mogadishu where it worked for a little while.

Wrong siumbass mogadishu is a failed socialist state.

Socialism and collectivism always fails and never works the example of china proves that.

Government is not socialism socialism is a type of government.

It was done by surrendering socialist ideas and allowing self determination. Free markets do niot exist because brainwashed cowards and liars such as you fear it.

I am Right even though I am on the left. That makes you Wrong even though You are on the right. See how easy that is when you are too lazy to come up with intellectual arguments.

No you are notr.

I have proven you wrong and ignorant everyu time on ewvery thread. You know this is true and are just too much of an immature brast to admit when you have been taken to school.

DEveryone knows what a completely stupid little wesel you are

lol. You have nothing but fallacy. Everybody knows I resort to the fewest fallacies and must be the truest witness bearer on this site as a result.