progressive hunter
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you should educate yourself better,, the list is to long for me to get into,,,This is the thesis statement of our form of government:... Our system hasn't always been....Fake News. First, of course we judge communism on its real world effects. Communism routinely fails to feed their own people, this is a fundamental system failure. Secondly, while yes the free flow of capital is important, so is the free flow of labor. Our system is simply Free Markets and Free Choice with labor and capital free to flow where we ask for it by price point.Fake News. Those practices are not Free Markets, that is why we have laws against monopoly market distortion and price fixing and certainly the solution isn't turning our Liberty over to the ultimate monopoly, Government. We limit our Government to specific tasks spelled out in our Constitution.Communism can work in small groups.
No, no true communist country has never existed. Because it is a pipedream. People wont give up their power. That has been shown over and over with millions of lives lost.
Capitalism is freedom. There is also no capitalist countries. Obviously.
A pipe dream vs. Freedom. Hmmm
Is Capitalism 'freedom' though? Both the guided age and the eras of slavery in the US were both capitalistic.
Capitalism in practice is very, very compatible with monopolies, price fixing,
The criticism of communism have been that it always becomes something else. That IN PRACTICE, communism becomes authoritarian. Or collapses. Or that people refuse to give up their power.
Well, if that is our standard, then we must also judge capitalism IN PRACTICE. And see what it morphs into...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
That is the purpose of our government, for us to mutually secure our collective fundamental rights. Our government derives its legitimacy from our consent, and these rights are secured no through just any power, but through just power. In our system our government cannot legitimately exercise unjust power.
And while that was being written, we kept millions of people in slavery. With slavery codified into our constitution by counting them as 3/5ths a person. Undue power was baked into our nation from the moment of its inception.
Its only through imbuing the central government with more power could we mitigate the horrifying exploitation that capitalism tends toward. And the massive environmental damage. And the monopolies that capitalism natural trends toward.
All of these things weren't done because of capitalism, but in spite of it. And our nation has been better for it.
And ours is a constantly improving system. In the Preamble to the Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
This constantly perfecting of our system to secure our rights is a task we inherit from our parents and pass to our children. The anti-slavery amendments should have been part of the original constitution, it shouldn't have waited 70 years. Women should have had the vote immediately, but the initial generation did what they could and left these improvements for following generations who didn't have to first defeat the reining world power to even begin. Rather than sitting in judgment on those that went before us, who accomplished far more than we have of this task, we should be diligently looking for ways to more perfectly secure the rights of our fellow citizens now. Should whole family lines be locked into intergenerational squalor or intergenerational incarceration?
With many of those improvements being the dilution of the undue power baked into our system. The elimination of slavery. The dismantling of Jim Crow. The cleaning up of our environment. The abolishment of child labor. The institution of public education and public safety regulation. The setting aside of public lands in our state and national forests. The establishment of national banks.
All of these were departures from capitalism, dilluttion of its most unstable, monopolistic, destructive or exploitative tendancies. And the embracing of more socialistic and even communistic tenets.
And our nation has benefited greatly from this hybrid system in which capitalism has been mitigated. And its often mitigated with socialism inspired tenets.