Communism and Democratic Socialism. A question for conservatives.

[Bush92]

And as Lenin once quipped, "The goal of Socialism is Communism."

Yeah, a lot of people say a lot of stuff. Something tells me the Scandinavian countries aren't going to turn communist. Social safety nets and the ability to get educated without going into severe debt aren't going to turn us communist either. You're off your rocker if you think people like Bernie Sanders want the government to take over the economy and end the potential for individual success.

Keynesian economics does not work. So the Scandinavian Nations compare to the economic and military superpower the United States of America in what way? Maryland has the same population as the Scandinavian countries. Also, the last time I checked the major export of the Scandinavian countries was pickled herring and porn.

 

[Preacher]

You no doubt are opposed to both of those things, but I have a question. Do you understand and recognize the difference between them, or do you see them as the same?

Yes I understand and recognize the difference and PARTS of DS I agree with.

 

[danielpalos]

And as Lenin once quipped, "The goal of Socialism is Communism."

Yeah, a lot of people say a lot of stuff. Something tells me the Scandinavian countries aren't going to turn communist. Social safety nets and the ability to get educated without going into severe debt aren't going to turn us communist either. You're off your rocker if you think people like Bernie Sanders want the government to take over the economy and end the potential for individual success.

Keynesian economics does not work.

It works better than tax cut economics.

 

[Votto]

You no doubt are opposed to both of those things, but I have a question. Do you understand and recognize the difference between them, or do you see them as the same?

Leftists don't believe in democracy unless they win elections.

Case in point, Trump. He is illegitimate and needs to be impeached.

No, Leftists are all about taking over education, the government, and the media in order to manipulate votes for themselves.

They care nothing about democracy in and of itself.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You no doubt are opposed to both of those things, but I have a question. Do you understand and recognize the difference between them, or do you see them as the same?

The differences are negligible, at best.

 

[LaDexter]

What did work is what we did under Clinton and Gingrich...


TAX AND SPENDING CUTS

CUT CUT CUT and never stop!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[danielpalos]

What did work is what we did under Clinton and Gingrich...


TAX AND SPENDING CUTS

CUT CUT CUT and never stop!!!!!!!!!!!

some on the left consider such public policies,

mere income transfers that benefit the rich at the expense of the poor; regardless of any concept of natural rights or equal protection of the law (coincidence or conspiracy that no guns are specifically involved).​

 

[LaDexter]

The left always hates SPENDING CUTS, because all spending is eligible for leftist kleptocrats to STEAL.

Less stealing = less spending = very unhappy left wingers.


Bill Clinton, of course, vehemently fought the budgets he now takes credit for....

 

[danielpalos]

The left always hates SPENDING CUTS, because all spending is eligible for leftist kleptocrats to STEAL.

Less stealing = less spending = very unhappy left wingers.


Bill Clinton, of course, vehemently fought the budgets he now takes credit for....

We have simple problems in our Republic, we could simply be solving simple poverty via a market friendly means through applied Capitalism.

this is Not, a delicate situation; merely a lack of natural rights being adhered to, by the right wing, in favor of their applied socialism on a national basis.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They both favor the collective over the individual, so neither is compatible with US values.

The Scandinavian countries have .... and free college to name a few things.

The "Gifted" Are Given Nothing, So Quit Being Jealous and Vindictive

Free college is not humanly motivating. To get strictly the most talented rather than richkids and wannabes, students must be paid a higher wage than they can expect to get at any other job at that age. How many superior athletes would get recruited if all they got was free tuition?

So from that, the most important example, an unbrainwashed view should suspect that Democratic Socialism is all crippling humiliation.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Seems like the right wing only gets upset when they hear about the citizenry getting 'free stuff', and never when the corporations and banks get their frequent bailouts. Actually in the history of our country, the free market never stood alone for very long without going to government for help. We need a mix of capitalism and socialism just like we need opposite political parties. When one gets out of hand, people start to vote for the opposition. I give the republicans a few years at most and they'll be out of favor. Back and forth.

The Founding Fodder Gave Us Oats, Not Votes

Rotating oligarchies is all you get in this anti-democratic Constitutionalism. Instead of cynically describing it as a pendulum swayed by fickle human nature, replace this rickety-racket absentee form with national referendums on all important issues.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Seems like the right wing only gets upset when they hear about the citizenry getting 'free stuff', and never when the corporations and banks get their frequent bailouts. Actually in the history of our country, the free market never stood alone for very long without going to government for help. We need a mix of capitalism and socialism just like we need opposite political parties. When one gets out of hand, people start to vote for the opposition. I give the republicans a few years at most and they'll be out of favor. Back and forth.

The Founding Fodder Gave Us Oats, Not Votes

Rotating oligarchies is all you get in this anti-democratic Constitutionalism. Instead of cynically describing it as a pendulum swayed by fickle human nature, replace this rickety-racket absentee form with national referendums on all important issues.

Mob rule is never a good idea.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Seems like the right wing only gets upset when they hear about the citizenry getting 'free stuff', and never when the corporations and banks get their frequent bailouts. Actually in the history of our country, the free market never stood alone for very long without going to government for help. We need a mix of capitalism and socialism just like we need opposite political parties. When one gets out of hand, people start to vote for the opposition. I give the republicans a few years at most and they'll be out of favor. Back and forth.

The Founding Fodder Gave Us Oats, Not Votes

Rotating oligarchies is all you get in this anti-democratic Constitutionalism. Instead of cynically describing it as a pendulum swayed by fickle human nature, replace this rickety-racket absentee form with national referendums on all important issues.

Mob rule is never a good idea.

Elitist Language Is UnAmerican

The only alternative to "mob rule" is Snob Rule. Spoiled and conceited brats have a desperate need to look down on the majority. Don't follow those performing circus animals; they made up that insulting term to describe the rest of us. Their Daddies' media made you look up to them; instead,take the upper class down. "Mob rule" is exactly what Missy Rodham meant by "a basket of deplorables."

 

[danielpalos]

The power to provide for the general welfare is general, not common.

Any questions, right wingers?

 

[dblack]

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and/or democratic management of economic institutions within market socialism or decentralized and participatory planned economy.

 

[danielpalos]

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and/or democratic management of economic institutions within market socialism or decentralized and participatory planned economy.

Federalists already have, the federal doctrine.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and/or democratic management of economic institutions within market socialism or decentralized and participatory planned economy.

We don't need government to do that for us. Several companies are practicing worker's self-management and profit sharing. Using government to make this happen is FORCED divesting, against which I will gleefully take up arms and go to Valhalla shooting commies.

Commies always want to re-brand communism to make it more palatable, but it is always the same shit. Communism, followed by socialism (Marx was WRONG. It moves from communism to socialism, not the other way around). Cheese-dick, power-hungry ass stains come in and use government to deprive individuals of property rights, and everything goes to hell.

NO THANK YOU, I WOULD RATHER SHOOT IT OUT AND DIE IN BATTLE!!! VALHALLA, I AM COMING!!!!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

...and the people of Asgard will NEVER be commies!!!! NEVER!!!

 

[danielpalos]

Congress commands fiscal policy and our Central Bank commands monetary policy.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The power to provide for the general welfare is general, not common.

Any questions, right wingers?

You just SUCK at ANY historical reference to constitutional law, don't you?


You have NO BASIS for the bullshit you spew, do you, Sanchito?

Let's look at what James Madison said:

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 45

"It is true, that the Confederacy is to possess, and may exercise, the power of collecting internal as well as external taxes throughout the States; but it is probable that this power will not be resorted to, except for supplemental purposes of revenue; that an option will then be given to the States to supply their quotas by previous collections of their own; and that the eventual collection, under the immediate authority of the Union, will generally be made by the officers, and according to the rules, appointed by the several States. Indeed it is extremely probable, that in other instances, particularly in the organization of the judicial power, the officers of the States will be clothed with the correspondent authority of the Union. Should it happen, however, that separate collectors of internal revenue should be appointed under the federal government, the influence of the whole number would not bear a comparison with that of the multitude of State officers in the opposite scale. Within every district to which a federal collector would be allotted, there would not be less than thirty or forty, or even more, officers of different descriptions, and many of them persons of character and weight, whose influence would lie on the side of the State. The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected."

Take your all-powerful general welfare bullshit excuse for communism and shove it up your taco-shitting ass.