Communication between God and man

[yiostheoy]

Your whole Mormon concept is a made up story. Do you really think that if your god really existed that you'd need to discover it in a book? Anyone who discovered anything, discovered it in the real world, not in a book. Think about it.

Why should a fool who denies God be given any credence in dictating how God would choose to make himself and his reality known to Man?

I have often wondered why God(s) choose(s) certain people like Moses, St. Peter, St. James, St. John, St. Paul, and so forth?

For the most part God(s) seem(s) to be (a) Deistic God(s).

Occasionally throughout history there have been whisperings of Theism however.

 

[Eloy]

The Book of Mormon is, of course, preposterous.

And yet it exists and can't be explained away. Nor can the witnesses be explained away. Which is why they are ignored.

I wish only piece of mind for you.

And I wish the beat for you as well

What kind of people would you be if you didn't wish other people well? I'm an atheist and wish for peace and happiness why wouldn't Mormons Christians Muslims and Jews?

I love the Mormon story because there's some truth to it. Like Joseph Smith I prayed asking God which religion I should join and he told me none too. They're all corrupt. Jesus existed 2000 years ago but somewhere along the way Christianity lost its authority from God. There was a break in the line from Jesus to modern day Pope. The church lost its way.

So in 1800 god revisited North America. Makes complete sense. I don't know why Christians would doubt this. Do they deny Joseph Smith existed? Or do they think the whole story is made up?

Honestly, I think most of it is total ignorance. Some people assume a lot about Mormon but they won't read the Book of Mormon themselves or take the effort to actually understand what the Church teaches. Some wait for others to prove it instead of following the instructions God has set and seeking Him and learning for themselves.

It's why I continually invite people to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and not just rely on what they think they know about it or what others have said. I had a friend who read it for herself years ago. She was shocked to find out that Jesus was actually in the book.

Yes, Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Mormon and even more incredibly that Jesus ascending into the sky after his resurrection is the Mormon belief that he went to America to meet white people there. Please.

 

[Avatar4321]

I often hear that we need to have a relationship with God. I believe that to be a true principle. Key to that is revelation and prayer. I happened to be reading a chapter of quotes from Brigham Young on the matter and felt impressed to share a few.

Communication between God and man

I do not believe for one moment that there has been a man or woman upon the face of the earth, from the days of Adam to this day, who has not been enlightened, instructed, and taught by the revelations of Jesus Christ. “What! the ignorant heathen?” Yes, every human being who has possessed a sane mind. I am far from believing that the children of men have been deprived of the privilege of receiving the Spirit of the Lord to teach them right from wrong

I … believe positively that there is nothing known except by the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, whether in theology, science, or art

We often hear it said that the living oracles must be in the Church, in order that the Kingdom of God may be established and prosper on the earth. I will give another version of this sentiment. I say that the living oracles of God, or the Spirit of revelation must be in each and every individual, to know the plan of salvation and keep in the path that leads them to the presence of God

When the Spirit of revelation from God inspires a man, his mind is opened to behold the beauty, order, and glory of the creation of this earth and its inhabitants, the object of its creation, and the purpose of its Creator in peopling it with his children. He can then clearly understand that our existence here is for the sole purpose of exaltation and restoration to the presence of our Father and God

My favorite:

If the Devil says you cannot pray when you are angry, tell him it is none of his business, and pray until that species of insanity is dispelled and serenity is restored to the mind

This is Protestant doctrine. Martin Luther came up with this idea.

Oh yah the Mormons adopted it too. But not as rigidly as the other Protestants have.

The Mormons like the Catholics believe that their own high priesthood hold the keys of communication with God and therefore you cannot go around them you must obey them instead.

Martin Luther was trying to undo the yoke of slavery that the Pope had around his flock.

Oh yah, the Mormons are yoked in a similar fashion even though they pay lip service to Protestant "direct communication".

Protestants came up with teachings in the Bible?

It was Jesus who said seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall receive.

Moses stated the Lord wanted a nation of prophets

Paul taught us to seek the gift of prophecy.

James said that if any of us lack wisdom we can ask God.

Brigham is just continuing the teachings. Like Joseph did before him.

That's always been the miracle of mormonism. Its never been "I have this vision obey me". Its always been " I had this vision go to God and you will see it and let's obey God together"

 

[Avatar4321]

But the devil is real.

And if you read what Brigham is saying you will see him teaching exactly how anyone can know the things of God for themselves.

If you want a testimony of prayer, you need to exercise faith to start praying. If you want to get to know God seek out a relationship with Him. Listen for His Spirit.
Recognize your blessings.

Finally captain John smith is the guy Pocahontas saved. He has nothing to do with anything

The devil is real? So you have proof. What do you have?

B.Y. made all that stuff up. There's zero proof that what he says is for real.

Brigham explains quite clearly how to obtain proof in the chapter I shared:

No earthly argument, no earthly reasoning can open the minds of intelligent beings and show them heavenly things; that can only be done by the Spirit of revelation

No man can know Jesus the Christ except it be revealed from heaven to him [see 1 Corinthians 12:3]

Without revelation direct from heaven, it is impossible for any person to understand fully the plan of salvation

Without the revelations of God we know not who we are, whence we came, nor who formed the earth on which we live, move and have our being

When the Spirit of revelation from God inspires a man, his mind is opened to behold the beauty, order, and glory of the creation of this earth and its inhabitants, the object of its creation, and the purpose of its Creator in peopling it with his children. He can then clearly understand that our existence here is for the sole purpose of exaltation and restoration to the presence of our Father and God

In every part and portion of the revelations of God as given to the children of men, or to any individual in heaven or on earth, to understand them properly, a man needs the Spirit by which they were given—the Spirit that reveals such matters to the understanding, and makes them familiar to the mind

Totally made up jumbo-jumbo, which offers no concrete proof whatsoever, just a lot of flowery words. Sad.

You, like everyone else, are invited to find out for yourself through study, prayer, and experimenting on the Word.

But you have to pay the price to learn for yourself. Or you can remain Ignorant of whether there is a God or the principles of Eternity

Typical Mormon bullsh!t.

Call it what you wish but the Holy Spirit does reveal truth from Heaven and pour out wisdom and knowledge to this who seek Him

 

[Avatar4321]

And yet it exists and can't be explained away. Nor can the witnesses be explained away. Which is why they are ignored.

I wish only piece of mind for you.

And I wish the beat for you as well

What kind of people would you be if you didn't wish other people well? I'm an atheist and wish for peace and happiness why wouldn't Mormons Christians Muslims and Jews?

I love the Mormon story because there's some truth to it. Like Joseph Smith I prayed asking God which religion I should join and he told me none too. They're all corrupt. Jesus existed 2000 years ago but somewhere along the way Christianity lost its authority from God. There was a break in the line from Jesus to modern day Pope. The church lost its way.

So in 1800 god revisited North America. Makes complete sense. I don't know why Christians would doubt this. Do they deny Joseph Smith existed? Or do they think the whole story is made up?

Honestly, I think most of it is total ignorance. Some people assume a lot about Mormon but they won't read the Book of Mormon themselves or take the effort to actually understand what the Church teaches. Some wait for others to prove it instead of following the instructions God has set and seeking Him and learning for themselves.

It's why I continually invite people to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and not just rely on what they think they know about it or what others have said. I had a friend who read it for herself years ago. She was shocked to find out that Jesus was actually in the book.

Yes, Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Mormon and even more incredibly that Jesus ascending into the sky after his resurrection is the Mormon belief that he went to America to meet white people there. Please.

He met all the people there.

And Christ is the one who said He had sheep in another fold that would hear His voice.

 

[Mudda]

Totally made up jumbo-jumbo, which offers no concrete proof whatsoever, just a lot of flowery words. Sad.

You, like everyone else, are invited to find out for yourself through study, prayer, and experimenting on the Word.

But you have to pay the price to learn for yourself. Or you can remain Ignorant of whether there is a God or the principles of Eternity

Your whole Mormon concept is a made up story. Do you really think that if your god really existed that you'd need to discover it in a book? Anyone who discovered anything, discovered it in the real world, not in a book. Think about it.

Again, the books and quotes you dont want to read are encouraging you to find out for yourself in the real world. People learn through study and action.

Except you can't prove anything from the Mormon book. Loki and all his buds, ancients subs, golden plates, ... none f it can be proven, making it a book of fiction. Maybe if you had something provable people would take Mormons seriously.

You can ask God after studying out the principles it teaches.

But you don't want to. You want someone else to.

I've studied and read... I've asked your invisible friend to contact me... but nothing. Ever. Why do you religious folks always think that unbelievers have never read up on the subject. I went to church, sunday school, studied Catechism through my private school into my late teens, still read up on the subjects... and have found nothing concrete to hang on to. Like I said, the stories, especially in the Mormon book, sounds made up and cartoonish, never mind that they go against science, which a thinking person can't get around.

 

[Mudda]

Your whole Mormon concept is a made up story. Do you really think that if your god really existed that you'd need to discover it in a book? Anyone who discovered anything, discovered it in the real world, not in a book. Think about it.

Why should a fool who denies God be given any credence in dictating how God would choose to make himself and his reality known to Man?

I have often wondered why God(s) choose(s) certain people like Moses, St. Peter, St. James, St. John, St. Paul, and so forth?

For the most part God(s) seem(s) to be (a) Deistic God(s).

Occasionally throughout history there have been whisperings of Theism however.

I've always wondered where they got guys named Peter, Paul and John in the Middle East?

 

[sealybobo]

I often hear that we need to have a relationship with God. I believe that to be a true principle. Key to that is revelation and prayer. I happened to be reading a chapter of quotes from Brigham Young on the matter and felt impressed to share a few.

Communication between God and man

I do not believe for one moment that there has been a man or woman upon the face of the earth, from the days of Adam to this day, who has not been enlightened, instructed, and taught by the revelations of Jesus Christ. “What! the ignorant heathen?” Yes, every human being who has possessed a sane mind. I am far from believing that the children of men have been deprived of the privilege of receiving the Spirit of the Lord to teach them right from wrong

I … believe positively that there is nothing known except by the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, whether in theology, science, or art

We often hear it said that the living oracles must be in the Church, in order that the Kingdom of God may be established and prosper on the earth. I will give another version of this sentiment. I say that the living oracles of God, or the Spirit of revelation must be in each and every individual, to know the plan of salvation and keep in the path that leads them to the presence of God

When the Spirit of revelation from God inspires a man, his mind is opened to behold the beauty, order, and glory of the creation of this earth and its inhabitants, the object of its creation, and the purpose of its Creator in peopling it with his children. He can then clearly understand that our existence here is for the sole purpose of exaltation and restoration to the presence of our Father and God

My favorite:

If the Devil says you cannot pray when you are angry, tell him it is none of his business, and pray until that species of insanity is dispelled and serenity is restored to the mind

This is Protestant doctrine. Martin Luther came up with this idea.

Oh yah the Mormons adopted it too. But not as rigidly as the other Protestants have.

The Mormons like the Catholics believe that their own high priesthood hold the keys of communication with God and therefore you cannot go around them you must obey them instead.

Martin Luther was trying to undo the yoke of slavery that the Pope had around his flock.

Oh yah, the Mormons are yoked in a similar fashion even though they pay lip service to Protestant "direct communication".

Protestants came up with teachings in the Bible?

It was Jesus who said seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall receive.

Moses stated the Lord wanted a nation of prophets

Paul taught us to seek the gift of prophecy.

James said that if any of us lack wisdom we can ask God.

Brigham is just continuing the teachings. Like Joseph did before him.

That's always been the miracle of mormonism. Its never been "I have this vision obey me". Its always been " I had this vision go to God and you will see it and let's obey God together"

Do you think Jesus was the first person to say seek and ye shall find? Did he coin the saying?

 

[there4eyeM]

Personal revelation is the only possible way to 'know' 'God', or even if 'God' exists. This is one of the major reasons Islam (and most other religions) ar so grossly in error, and even blasphemy.

 

[sealybobo]

You, like everyone else, are invited to find out for yourself through study, prayer, and experimenting on the Word.

But you have to pay the price to learn for yourself. Or you can remain Ignorant of whether there is a God or the principles of Eternity

Your whole Mormon concept is a made up story. Do you really think that if your god really existed that you'd need to discover it in a book? Anyone who discovered anything, discovered it in the real world, not in a book. Think about it.

Again, the books and quotes you dont want to read are encouraging you to find out for yourself in the real world. People learn through study and action.

Except you can't prove anything from the Mormon book. Loki and all his buds, ancients subs, golden plates, ... none f it can be proven, making it a book of fiction. Maybe if you had something provable people would take Mormons seriously.

You can ask God after studying out the principles it teaches.

But you don't want to. You want someone else to.

I've studied and read... I've asked your invisible friend to contact me... but nothing. Ever. Why do you religious folks always think that unbelievers have never read up on the subject. I went to church, sunday school, studied Catechism through my private school into my late teens, still read up on the subjects... and have found nothing concrete to hang on to. Like I said, the stories, especially in the Mormon book, sounds made up and cartoonish, never mind that they go against science, which a thinking person can't get around.

I agree. They suggest we didn't try or didn't try hard enough? Silly. We were all kids once too. We wrestled with what society was telling us. Our priests, family, neighbors and strangers who walk up and ask, "do you know where you are going when you die?"

Do they really think we are so simple that we haven't asked all these questions too? We gave god a shot. And it was very hard with all the guilt and fear to finally say "god doesn't exist". At least not the god these guys are talking about. I have zero fear that not believing them will send me to hell, or prevent me from going to heaven. Maybe that's one good thing about the god hypothesis. If he exists, do you really want to be an asshole? So maybe it prevents some from being bad people? But that's the problem with the Christian story. It says it's ok to be an asshole. Just believe in the stories that Jesus was god and you get into heaven. Sin doesn't matter. It truly is a brilliant schtick. Otherwise the first time a guy stole or cheated on his wife he would know he's going to hell so **** it right? But in their religion all he has to do is believe the story and be sorry. But are they really sorry?

 

[sealybobo]

Personal revelation is the only possible way to 'know' 'God', or even if 'God' exists. This is one of the major reasons Islam (and most other religions) ar so grossly in error, and even blasphemy.

I speak to the youth of the Church who now face “perilous times,” as the Apostle Paul prophesied would come in the last days. In order to prepare you, and protect you, I will tell you, as plainly as I can, what I have learned about personal revelation.

There are two parts to your nature—your temporal body born of mortal parents, and your immortal spirit within.
Sorry but I can't even get past this. Immortal spirit within? I never noticed in any church them having the debate about this. Or proving we have an immortal spirit. Christians assume this is a fact. A given. It is not. Yet you accept it as fact. You don't think we looked for god hard enough but did you even ask these questions? Sorry but your ancient religion is going to have to prove it's real.

Then they go on to say: Physically you can see with eyes and hear with ears and touch and feel and learn. Through your intellect, you learn most of what you know about the world in which we live. But if you learn by reason only, you will never understand the Spirit and how it works—regardless of how much you learn about other things.

So what am I supposed to do? How do you learn any other way other than with reason? Is he telling me I have to put reason aside to get it? Explain.

The scriptures teach that “great men are not always wise.”2 Spiritually you may “know not, and know not that you know not,” and be “ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”3

Is this the explanation? That it's not always good to be wise? That wise men don't know everything? Is that all you got? Not enough!

Your spirit learns in a different way than does your intellect. How?

Personal Revelation:The Gift, the Test, and the Promise - Boyd K. Packer

 

[sealybobo]

Atheists are expected to take as fact too many things that can't be proven. Sorry, can't do it. That's gullible and a god would appreciate intelligence.

 

[Meriweather]

I've studied and read... I've asked your invisible friend to contact me... but nothing. Ever. Why do you religious folks always think that unbelievers have never read up on the subject. I went to church, sunday school, studied Catechism through my private school into my late teens, still read up on the subjects... and have found nothing concrete to hang on to. Like I said, the stories, especially in the Mormon book, sounds made up and cartoonish, never mind that they go against science, which a thinking person can't get around.

One thing that may cause people to wonder how much reading and studying was done is when this question is posed:

I've always wondered where they got guys named Peter, Paul and John in the Middle East?

If you don't know the answer to that question, how can you expect people to understand you did the amount of studying you remember doing? Second, there is the problem of those who consider religion to be science, not philosophy. Finally, is the expectation that God should come at one's beck and call.

In many respects religion/faith is like a bunch of people given an intricate recipe. Some try it with superb results; others end up with disastrous results. What do you think? Is it the recipe that is at fault, or could the fault lie with the individual cooks?

 

[Eloy]

I wish only piece of mind for you.

And I wish the beat for you as well

What kind of people would you be if you didn't wish other people well? I'm an atheist and wish for peace and happiness why wouldn't Mormons Christians Muslims and Jews?

I love the Mormon story because there's some truth to it. Like Joseph Smith I prayed asking God which religion I should join and he told me none too. They're all corrupt. Jesus existed 2000 years ago but somewhere along the way Christianity lost its authority from God. There was a break in the line from Jesus to modern day Pope. The church lost its way.

So in 1800 god revisited North America. Makes complete sense. I don't know why Christians would doubt this. Do they deny Joseph Smith existed? Or do they think the whole story is made up?

Honestly, I think most of it is total ignorance. Some people assume a lot about Mormon but they won't read the Book of Mormon themselves or take the effort to actually understand what the Church teaches. Some wait for others to prove it instead of following the instructions God has set and seeking Him and learning for themselves.

It's why I continually invite people to read the Book of Mormon for themselves and not just rely on what they think they know about it or what others have said. I had a friend who read it for herself years ago. She was shocked to find out that Jesus was actually in the book.

Yes, Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Mormon and even more incredibly that Jesus ascending into the sky after his resurrection is the Mormon belief that he went to America to meet white people there. Please.

He met all the people there.

And Christ is the one who said He had sheep in another fold that would hear His voice.

This saying attributed to Joshua Ben Joseph was probably included in the New Testament in order to provide a basis for proselytizing by the early church to win converts from others in the Roman Empire. ... Not some fictional European already living in North America. The whole thing is an absurdity.

 

[Meriweather]

I agree. They suggest we didn't try or didn't try hard enough? Silly. We were all kids once too. We wrestled with what society was telling us. Our priests, family, neighbors and strangers who walk up and ask, "do you know where you are going when you die?"

Do they really think we are so simple that we haven't asked all these questions too? We gave god a shot. And it was very hard with all the guilt and fear to finally say "god doesn't exist". At least not the god these guys are talking about. I have zero fear that not believing them will send me to hell, or prevent me from going to heaven. Maybe that's one good thing about the god hypothesis. If he exists, do you really want to be an asshole? So maybe it prevents some from being bad people? But that's the problem with the Christian story. It says it's ok to be an asshole. Just believe in the stories that Jesus was god and you get into heaven. Sin doesn't matter. It truly is a brilliant schtick. Otherwise the first time a guy stole or cheated on his wife he would know he's going to hell so **** it right? But in their religion all he has to do is believe the story and be sorry. But are they really sorry?

In some respects Protestantism did a great disservice to Christianity as it apparently allows some to believe that belief in Christ equates to heaven--and that sin doesn't matter. All Protestant leaders were trying to do was emphasize God grace and forgiveness in our daily struggles with sin, and from there it devolved into some people thinking, "All that we have to do is believe the story and be sorry." Wrong--and most know better. Repentance doesn't mean saying sorry. Repentance means entirely giving up the bad behavior and replacing it with right behavior. Giving up bad behavior and replacing it with nothing results in even worse bad behavior.

Also, belief must translate into action, and for three years Jesus' taught what fruits/actions the belief should produce. No produce? Then that branch is cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

[Meriweather]

Atheists are expected to take as fact too many things that can't be proven. Sorry, can't do it. That's gullible and a god would appreciate intelligence.

When speaking of a literal six day creation and a flood that enveloped the planet, you may be correct.

The greatest problem atheists have are their own expectations. They expect God to act in certain ways, and when those actions are not forthcoming, then their conclusion is, "No God." Perhaps the first thing to learn about God is that God is no genie.

 

[Avatar4321]

You, like everyone else, are invited to find out for yourself through study, prayer, and experimenting on the Word.

But you have to pay the price to learn for yourself. Or you can remain Ignorant of whether there is a God or the principles of Eternity

Your whole Mormon concept is a made up story. Do you really think that if your god really existed that you'd need to discover it in a book? Anyone who discovered anything, discovered it in the real world, not in a book. Think about it.

Again, the books and quotes you dont want to read are encouraging you to find out for yourself in the real world. People learn through study and action.

Except you can't prove anything from the Mormon book. Loki and all his buds, ancients subs, golden plates, ... none f it can be proven, making it a book of fiction. Maybe if you had something provable people would take Mormons seriously.

You can ask God after studying out the principles it teaches.

But you don't want to. You want someone else to.

I've studied and read... I've asked your invisible friend to contact me... but nothing. Ever. Why do you religious folks always think that unbelievers have never read up on the subject. I went to church, sunday school, studied Catechism through my private school into my late teens, still read up on the subjects... and have found nothing concrete to hang on to. Like I said, the stories, especially in the Mormon book, sounds made up and cartoonish, never mind that they go against science, which a thinking person can't get around.

Maybe it's because you claim to have read up and then start talking about John Smith and completely ignoring the fact that your problems are literally being answered by what your responding to.

 

[Avatar4321]

I often hear that we need to have a relationship with God. I believe that to be a true principle. Key to that is revelation and prayer. I happened to be reading a chapter of quotes from Brigham Young on the matter and felt impressed to share a few.

Communication between God and man

I do not believe for one moment that there has been a man or woman upon the face of the earth, from the days of Adam to this day, who has not been enlightened, instructed, and taught by the revelations of Jesus Christ. “What! the ignorant heathen?” Yes, every human being who has possessed a sane mind. I am far from believing that the children of men have been deprived of the privilege of receiving the Spirit of the Lord to teach them right from wrong

I … believe positively that there is nothing known except by the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, whether in theology, science, or art

We often hear it said that the living oracles must be in the Church, in order that the Kingdom of God may be established and prosper on the earth. I will give another version of this sentiment. I say that the living oracles of God, or the Spirit of revelation must be in each and every individual, to know the plan of salvation and keep in the path that leads them to the presence of God

When the Spirit of revelation from God inspires a man, his mind is opened to behold the beauty, order, and glory of the creation of this earth and its inhabitants, the object of its creation, and the purpose of its Creator in peopling it with his children. He can then clearly understand that our existence here is for the sole purpose of exaltation and restoration to the presence of our Father and God

My favorite:

If the Devil says you cannot pray when you are angry, tell him it is none of his business, and pray until that species of insanity is dispelled and serenity is restored to the mind

This is Protestant doctrine. Martin Luther came up with this idea.

Oh yah the Mormons adopted it too. But not as rigidly as the other Protestants have.

The Mormons like the Catholics believe that their own high priesthood hold the keys of communication with God and therefore you cannot go around them you must obey them instead.

Martin Luther was trying to undo the yoke of slavery that the Pope had around his flock.

Oh yah, the Mormons are yoked in a similar fashion even though they pay lip service to Protestant "direct communication".

Protestants came up with teachings in the Bible?

It was Jesus who said seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall receive.

Moses stated the Lord wanted a nation of prophets

Paul taught us to seek the gift of prophecy.

James said that if any of us lack wisdom we can ask God.

Brigham is just continuing the teachings. Like Joseph did before him.

That's always been the miracle of mormonism. Its never been "I have this vision obey me". Its always been " I had this vision go to God and you will see it and let's obey God together"

Do you think Jesus was the first person to say seek and ye shall find? Did he coin the saying?

First one on record. Considering He is the First born I would guess its highly probable He is.

But as you can see I did reference Moses. So who knows.

But it sure as heck wasn't the protestants

 

[sealybobo]

I agree. They suggest we didn't try or didn't try hard enough? Silly. We were all kids once too. We wrestled with what society was telling us. Our priests, family, neighbors and strangers who walk up and ask, "do you know where you are going when you die?"

Do they really think we are so simple that we haven't asked all these questions too? We gave god a shot. And it was very hard with all the guilt and fear to finally say "god doesn't exist". At least not the god these guys are talking about. I have zero fear that not believing them will send me to hell, or prevent me from going to heaven. Maybe that's one good thing about the god hypothesis. If he exists, do you really want to be an asshole? So maybe it prevents some from being bad people? But that's the problem with the Christian story. It says it's ok to be an asshole. Just believe in the stories that Jesus was god and you get into heaven. Sin doesn't matter. It truly is a brilliant schtick. Otherwise the first time a guy stole or cheated on his wife he would know he's going to hell so **** it right? But in their religion all he has to do is believe the story and be sorry. But are they really sorry?

In some respects Protestantism did a great disservice to Christianity as it apparently allows some to believe that belief in Christ equates to heaven--and that sin doesn't matter. All Protestant leaders were trying to do was emphasize God grace and forgiveness in our daily struggles with sin, and from there it devolved into some people thinking, "All that we have to do is believe the story and be sorry." Wrong--and most know better. Repentance doesn't mean saying sorry. Repentance means entirely giving up the bad behavior and replacing it with right behavior. Giving up bad behavior and replacing it with nothing results in even worse bad behavior.

Also, belief must translate into action, and for three years Jesus' taught what fruits/actions the belief should produce. No produce? Then that branch is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Many Christians lie, have lied and will lie again. So liars get into heaven? I mean, if you are going to do it again how sorry are you really?

And if you got an abortion and you would do it again, but you are sorry, does it matter that you don't get another abortion? The truth is if you had to do it over again you would get the abortion. Many many Christian women have gotten abortions and have asked for forgiveness but bfd after the fact. They knew what they were doing was wrong and did it anyways. So do they get a free pass?

 

[RodISHI]

Also, belief must translate into action, and for three years Jesus' taught what fruits/actions the belief should produce. No produce? Then that branch is cut down and thrown into the fire.

An excellent summation of putting away sinful behaviors.