Zone1 Come to where the streets have no names

[Meriweather]

According to scripture, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. (Isaiah and Romans). God is wholly, totally other, meaning he cannot be defined, as definitions have limits.

The philosophy of streets with no names is a U2 song, when Bono realized in an Irish town the religion and income of people could be determined by the name of the streets.

Some atheists here define God as cruel, thus limiting him, trying to fit him into a category or box than can be discarded. By definition of being wholly other, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. Diminishing God is the only way one can make a case against God.

Atheists have a fair complaint as well when it is suggested they will enter a doomed afterlife just by holding no belief in God. As God is inscrutable, his ways unsearchable shouldn’t people of faith have greater compassion?

What would it be like to have a thread here where the streets have no names, and we can have discussions where both God and all posters are seen as great instead of diminished.

 

[MarathonMike]

According to scripture, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. (Isaiah and Romans). God is wholly, totally other, meaning he cannot be defined, as definitions have limits.

The philosophy of streets with no names is a U2 song, when Bono realized in an Irish town the religion and income of people could be determined by the name of the streets.

Some atheists here define God as cruel, thus limiting him, trying to fit him into a category or box than can be discarded. By definition of being wholly other, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. Diminishing God is the only way one can make a case against God.

Atheists have a fair complaint as well when it is suggested they will enter a doomed afterlife just by holding no belief in God. As God is inscrutable, his ways unsearchable shouldn’t people of faith have greater compassion?

What would it be like to have a thread here where the streets have no names, and we can have discussions where both God and all posters are seen as great instead of diminished.

It's not just an "Us vs Them" thing Meriweather. You have Believers, Atheists and Deists. You have Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. You have Native Americans and others with purely spiritual beliefs. All should be welcome in a Religious discussion forum.

 

[Meriweather]

It's not just an "Us vs Them" thing Meriweather. You have Believers, Atheists and Deists. You have Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. You have Native Americans and others with purely spiritual beliefs. All should be welcome in a Religious discussion forum.

Exactly! It should be all of us instead of an us vs them. I truly enjoy everyone's different perspectives. It also seems just the nature of the beast that conflicts drive discussions.

 

[BreezeWood]

What would it be like to have a thread here where the streets have no names, and we can have discussions where both God and all posters are seen as great instead of diminished.

they are one in the same ...

there is a great misunderstanding for what is monotheism -

jesus taught all are equal as those, all spirits are pure without evil which is inviolable - all are equal there is no supreme being.

judaism, meriweather's god, christianity is monarchical a religion of servitude and denial and a supreme being - what is repudiated in the 1st century and culminated by its final tragedy.

 

[SweetSue92]

According to scripture, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. (Isaiah and Romans). God is wholly, totally other, meaning he cannot be defined, as definitions have limits.

The philosophy of streets with no names is a U2 song, when Bono realized in an Irish town the religion and income of people could be determined by the name of the streets.

Some atheists here define God as cruel, thus limiting him, trying to fit him into a category or box than can be discarded. By definition of being wholly other, God’s judgments are inscrutable, his ways unsearchable. Diminishing God is the only way one can make a case against God.

Atheists have a fair complaint as well when it is suggested they will enter a doomed afterlife just by holding no belief in God. As God is inscrutable, his ways unsearchable shouldn’t people of faith have greater compassion?

What would it be like to have a thread here where the streets have no names, and we can have discussions where both God and all posters are seen as great instead of diminished.

I can't read this right now because that song has taken over my entire brain. I LOVE that song

 

[Meriweather]

I can't read this right now because that song has taken over my entire brain. I LOVE that song

Yes, it brings forth great thoughts. One that comes to mind is .... What do you/we want? What do we want individually, what do we want as a society.

 

[Zebra]

what has no names?

 

[MarathonMike]

Exactly! It should be all of us instead of an us vs them. I truly enjoy everyone's different perspectives. It also seems just the nature of the beast that conflicts drive discussions.

That is how it should be, but usually religious or political discussions devolve quickly.

 

[hobelim]

Exactly! It should be all of us instead of an us vs them. I truly enjoy everyone's different perspectives. It also seems just the nature of the beast that conflicts drive discussions.

When the waters of contention are stirred the truth comes out.

 

[Meriweather]

That is how it should be, but usually religious or political discussions devolve quickly.

I wonder why it is that in both religion and politics what starts out as sharing turns into an attack. The challenge we face is how to gently nudge that attack back into sharing. I'm not there...yet.

When the waters of contention are stirred the truth comes out.

No, sir. When those waters are stirred, the usual result is ignorance on display. What is needed is that bridge over troubled waters to ease the mind.

 

[hobelim]

No, sir. When those waters are stirred, the usual result is ignorance on display. What is needed is that bridge over troubled waters to ease the mind.

How do you resolve that point of view with Jesus who said that he did not come to bring peace but division?

Contention can bring hidden information to light. When people are arguing, they may reveal facts or perspectives that they wouldn't normally share in calmer settings.

Disagreement forces deeper examination. Confronting opposing viewpoints can lead individuals to scrutinize their own beliefs more rigorously, potentially uncovering inconsistencies or biases.

Like I said the truth comes out and, as Jesus said, the truth will set you free and ease your troubled mind

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That is how it should be, but usually religious or political discussions devolve quickly.

The Failure of Faith

No real God would allow our sectarian confusion and stir up that hornets' nest.

 

[Meriweather]

How do you resolve that point of view with Jesus who said that he did not come to bring peace but division?

Here is what he said to his disciples: “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives." Jesus had explained that his message would not bring peace to the world, that there would be disagreement. He gave his peace before the crucifixion, and after the resurrection, he gives it again--not once but three times. Note that before the crucifixion he was praying that his followers would remain one as he and the Father are one.

In the midst of contention, followers of Jesus can have this blessing of his peace upon them. He left it for us.

 

[Meriweather]

No real God would allow our sectarian confusion and stir up that hornets' nest.

Return to the streets with no names, where the ways of God are unsearchable, His judgments inscrutable. As God has no limits, believers do not pen him into what he can or cannot do, would or would not do.

You seem to be saying if we want a god, at least insist he stay within certain parameters...so box him in. God is outside all of that. We are the ones who put ourselves in boxes.

 

[MarathonMike]

I wonder why it is that in both religion and politics what starts out as sharing turns into an attack. The challenge we face is how to gently nudge that attack back into sharing. I'm not there...yet.


No, sir. When those waters are stirred, the usual result is ignorance on display. What is needed is that bridge over troubled waters to ease the mind.

I think for many people, religious and political beliefs are very VERY personal. Thus the difficulty in keeping discussions from devolving into attacks and name calling.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus had explained that his message would not bring peace to the world, that there would be disagreement. He gave his peace before the crucifixion ...

the non response to the judean allegations at their trial, choosing death than entrapment - which disagreements are recorded in the christian bible ... that claims obedience where the evidence is otherwise throughout most episodes involving jesus.

such are the remnants of the 1st century events - as one the repudiation of judaism, false commandments et al - then the 4th century messaging contrary in meaning conveying instead a false reason for a crucifixion's purposeful intent. to silence the truth.

 

[BreezeWood]

We are the ones who put ourselves in boxes.

your desert bibles are not only boxes they have neither fresh air or sunlite.

try garden earth ... those questions, the universe are boundless perhaps the reason no text does exist from the heavens.

 

[MarathonMike]

your desert bibles are not only boxes they have neither fresh air or sunlite.

try garden earth ... those questions, the universe are boundless perhaps the reason no text does exist from the heavens.

I'm always suspicious of people who speak in riddles, metaphors and coded messages instead of plain language.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus had explained that his message would not bring peace to the world, that there would be disagreement.

So what's your problem with disagreement? What's with just be nice BS? Doesn't what is true and false matter?

How else will the sheep be parted from the goats so that believers can be one with Jesus as Jesus was one with God as the disciples were all of one accord, united by the same teaching that they bore witness to untill death?

Jesus prayed, "May they all be perfectly one." Neither Jesus nor his disciples would have ever payed homage any devil who brazenly advocates idolatry. If you had "faith" you wouldn't be so damn phony and pusillanimous.

You may not know this but sometimes there is no nice way to tell the truth. If you don't believe me ask Jesus.

 

[ding]

you wouldn't be so damn phony and pusillanimous.

You can’t help yourself. You cannot contain your hatred. It consumes you.