College Should Be Free! (For Americans)

[Divine Wind]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

Strongly disagreed for several reasons. #1, there is no such thing as "free". Someone is paying for it. We have enough spoiled adults who act like children without adding another 4-8 years onto them.

#2, not everyone is smart enough to go to college. Find a way for people to maximize their abilities, but some people will max out as burger-flippers or janitors.

#3, Giving people "free" shit is the fastest way for them to think they have a right to other people's money. Offer zero-interest loans for those who do the work, but never just give away something. They should earn it.

 

[Divine Wind]

you're an idiot and should go back to HS, take some economic courses, like math, not algebra, as that's to advanced.

and stop doing drugs

I already offered him a link to perhaps the best teacher on the planet, Sal Khan, offering college level courses, free of charge.

Khan Academy


Will he bother to take any of the courses? Of course not, that would require effort.

I like it. Yes, free college online, but they have to do the work and there's no money for them to spend on beer and pot.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Given their size, Germany and Japan kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of our exports. This may be going off on another tangent, but a multiethnic society is to blame.

So not only is the OP not incredibly bright, he's also a bigot. Makes sense as the two seem to go hand to hand.

 

[SAYIT]

You just blew it and revealed how utterly clueless you are, Obamacare is a disaster....just as we told you it would be. Now don't go whizzing down my back and try to tell me it's raining.

Furthermore.....pay for your shit ya lazy bastid

Lazy bastard? You know nothing about me. I work a job and go to school full time as an unconventional student and have gotten a 4.0 average the last two semesters. not to mention I study in a field that my university is one of the top schools in the country. I just believe in living as a part of a society where we have to all live together, and that I can't succeed and do so with a conscience, if there are people in need that I'm not helping to survive. I'm surprised you have kids, you seem like the type of person that would eat your babies.

And no, Obamacare isn't the complete disaster you THOUGHT is would be.

5 Numbers to Know as Obamacare Turns 5

You call me an elitist and I can call you a lazy bastid....after all you don't me either. See how it works?

I don't NEED to know you when you say things like, "I'll pay for my kids, you pay for yours." That is what an elitist bastard is.

You'll live....now pay for your shit and stop demanding I do.

You don't get it, and you never will with that attitude. So when your kids can't find a job with their degrees and have to move back in with you at age 25 because they have crappy jobs because they can't find a good one, then just remember, I told you so.

If they can't find jobs in their chosen fields they can teach at one of those "free" colleges. See ... problem solved.

Those who can, do ... those who can't, teach.

 

[Iceweasel]

I would hope it would make our society better. But giving it a shot would be better than not giving it a shot at all. I would also hope that it improved our economy. But let's say everybody on the planet was Stephen Hawkings good at mathematics. How much demand would there be for mathematicians. Also, according to a news program I was watching once, China is awash with unemployed engineers. Obviously simply having the training isn't enough. And from what I hear, having a college education here in the U.S. is no guarantee of finding employment.

Why would you need to hear that college was no guarantee of a job? It's common sense. College can't teach you how to think. It's like going to the gym. A degree in muscles won't do anything for your muscles. You have to use them and then they get stronger.

Europeans don't spend much on a military so they do have more for social programs. But if you join the military they can help you with an education, it worked for me.

 

[SAYIT]

Years ago, and maybe still, they had this thing called a PELL grant. Where if you wre poor, they would pay for your books and things. But it wouldn't have done me any good. Because for one thing, I had to put survival first. You know. Things like eating and paying rent. Also, the only way I could have gotten to the college is to hitchhike. And I wouldn't have cared to do that.

In other words, you were unwilling to do what was necessary to advance your level of education. That is, in part, what higher ed is ... a test of your willingness to sacrifice your present for a brighter future.

BTW, Pell Grants are alive and well and still available only to the financially needy.

That's right. CRACK that motherfucking whip!!! In your best pre-French Revolution aristocrat philisophy, tell me more about what the poor are unwilling to "sacrifice."

I said nothing about the poor being unwilling to sacrifice (but that could be the subject of an interesting thread).

I specifically said you - according to your own post (bold, above) - were unwilling to put yourself out to advance your education (the lack of which is evident with your every post).

Being poor is no disgrace (although with the advantages in place, any white man in America should make good money).

Being a whiny, sniveling, uneducated, broke ass "white separatist" certainly is a disgrace.

 

[krypto]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

Strongly disagreed for several reasons. #1, there is no such thing as "free". Someone is paying for it. We have enough spoiled adults who act like children without adding another 4-8 years onto them.

#2, not everyone is smart enough to go to college. Find a way for people to maximize their abilities, but some people will max out as burger-flippers or janitors.

#3, Giving people "free" shit is the fastest way for them to think they have a right to other people's money. Offer zero-interest loans for those who do the work, but never just give away something. They should earn it.

Why should people be given a free high school education. Maybe they should just cut them loose after the eight grade and tell them that if they want more, they have to earn it. Also, I have never been to college myself. But from what I hear, the learning can be quite rigorous. With that being the case, wouldn't you then in a way "earn it?" Also, as everybody knows, having a college education is no guarantee of finding a suitable job afterward. When having highly educated people is generally good for society in general, why should society take a shit on them by making them roll those dice, go deep into debt and hope things turn out for the best.

 

[krypto]

you're an idiot and should go back to HS, take some economic courses, like math, not algebra, as that's to advanced.

and stop doing drugs

I already offered him a link to perhaps the best teacher on the planet, Sal Khan, offering college level courses, free of charge.

Khan Academy


Will he bother to take any of the courses? Of course not, that would require effort.

I like it. Yes, free college online, but they have to do the work and there's no money for them to spend on beer and pot.

I was watching some news program once about online education. They basically said that it was a joke. It was way too easy to get lost. And those on line universities you hear about only work well for those trying to sell it.

 

[krypto]

Given their size, Germany and Japan kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of our exports. This may be going off on another tangent, but a multiethnic society is to blame.

So not only is the OP not incredibly bright, he's also a bigot. Makes sense as the two seem to go hand to hand.

You say "bigot" like it was a bad thing. Even babies have been shown to be bigoted. How does it make you feel to know that you don't have the sense that even a baby has. Also, "racism" wouldn't even exist if there wasn't some useful and necessary evolutionary need for it.

 

[krypto]

I would hope it would make our society better. But giving it a shot would be better than not giving it a shot at all. I would also hope that it improved our economy. But let's say everybody on the planet was Stephen Hawkings good at mathematics. How much demand would there be for mathematicians. Also, according to a news program I was watching once, China is awash with unemployed engineers. Obviously simply having the training isn't enough. And from what I hear, having a college education here in the U.S. is no guarantee of finding employment.

Why would you need to hear that college was no guarantee of a job? It's common sense. College can't teach you how to think. It's like going to the gym. A degree in muscles won't do anything for your muscles. You have to use them and then they get stronger.

Europeans don't spend much on a military so they do have more for social programs. But if you join the military they can help you with an education, it worked for me.

From what I hear, China is awash with unemployed engineers. I doubt if it is because as engineers, they can't think. Next, before Hitler came to power, Germany was in an economic ruin. Hitler turned that ruin into an economic miracle. Which probably was made more difficult by the allies having stolen about 65 billion in gold, in back then money. That was for reparations for WW I. Which Germany got sucked into like everybody else. Hitler put a stop to that too. But he was defeated. I hear Germany made its last WW I reparation payment in about 2010. As for what Germany and Japan spend on the military, though I don't know, I would doubt if it was much different as a percentage of their GDP as it is for the U.S.

 

[krypto]

Years ago, and maybe still, they had this thing called a PELL grant. Where if you wre poor, they would pay for your books and things. But it wouldn't have done me any good. Because for one thing, I had to put survival first. You know. Things like eating and paying rent. Also, the only way I could have gotten to the college is to hitchhike. And I wouldn't have cared to do that.

In other words, you were unwilling to do what was necessary to advance your level of education. That is, in part, what higher ed is ... a test of your willingness to sacrifice your present for a brighter future.

BTW, Pell Grants are alive and well and still available only to the financially needy.

That's right. CRACK that motherfucking whip!!! In your best pre-French Revolution aristocrat philisophy, tell me more about what the poor are unwilling to "sacrifice."

I said nothing about the poor being unwilling to sacrifice (but that could be the subject of an interesting thread).

I specifically said you - according to your own post (bold, above) - were unwilling to put yourself out to advance your education (the lack of which is evident with your every post).

Being poor is no disgrace (although with the advantages in place, any white man in America should make good money).

Being a whiny, sniveling, uneducated, broke ass "white separatist" certainly is a disgrace.

First, blow it out your ass. Secondly, apparently you don't know what "poor" means. It means you don't have the money for something. It means you hardly know what having any money is like. And the tendancy is to not expect any different. Also, I could have probably done really good in school and got some sort of scholorship. But that would help out society in general. But most of you aren't worth it. Most of you aren't worthy to suck the maggots out of a dead elephant's penis. If you are White, you are culpable in the brutal murders of tens of thousands of White children here in the U.S. You would have to climb up the ladder quite a way to even get to "disgrace."

Add that to being a slave of the jews. And I will PROVE it to you. Jews make up a little more than 2% of the U.S. population. If you are White and give half a cold turd about such an extreme minority, that PROVES you are enslaved by them. I could go on. But then again, you aren't worth it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Add that to being a slave of the jews. And I will PROVE it to you. Jews make up a little more than 2% of the U.S. population. If you are White and give half a cold turd about such an extreme minority, that PROVES you are enslaved by them. I could go on. But then again, you aren't worth it.

And he's an anti-Semite. Of course! Now we're getting down to the bottom of it.

 

[Unkotare]

"I could have probably..."

 

[Unkotare]

I would hope it would make our society better. But giving it a shot would be better than not giving it a shot at all. I would also hope that it improved our economy. But let's say everybody on the planet was Stephen Hawkings good at mathematics. How much demand would there be for mathematicians. Also, according to a news program I was watching once, China is awash with unemployed engineers. Obviously simply having the training isn't enough. And from what I hear, having a college education here in the U.S. is no guarantee of finding employment.

Why would you need to hear that college was no guarantee of a job? It's common sense. College can't teach you how to think. It's like going to the gym. A degree in muscles won't do anything for your muscles. You have to use them and then they get stronger.

Europeans don't spend much on a military so they do have more for social programs. But if you join the military they can help you with an education, it worked for me.

From what I hear, China is awash with unemployed engineers. I doubt if it is because as engineers, they can't think. Next, before Hitler came to power, Germany was in an economic ruin. Hitler turned that ruin into an economic miracle. Which probably was made more difficult by the allies having stolen about 65 billion in gold, in back then money. That was for reparations for WW I. Which Germany got sucked into like everybody else. Hitler put a stop to that too. But he was defeated. I hear Germany made its last WW I reparation payment in about 2010. As for what Germany and Japan spend on the military, though I don't know, I would doubt if it was much different as a percentage of their GDP as it is for the U.S.

And you would be wrong - again.

 

[Divine Wind]

Why should people be given a free high school education. Maybe they should just cut them loose after the eight grade and tell them that if they want more, they have to earn it. Also, I have never been to college myself. But from what I hear, the learning can be quite rigorous. With that being the case, wouldn't you then in a way "earn it?" Also, as everybody knows, having a college education is no guarantee of finding a suitable job afterward. When having highly educated people is generally good for society in general, why should society take a shit on them by making them roll those dice, go deep into debt and hope things turn out for the best.

Dude, it's not free. I pay a lot of taxes every year so kids can go to high school.

If a person has the talent, intellect and is willing to work for it, low interest college loans should be made available. However, low interest loans have helped raise the price of college, not reduce them. Shouldn't reducing the price of college be the priority?

 

[Divine Wind]

I was watching some news program once about online education. They basically said that it was a joke. It was way too easy to get lost. And those on line universities you hear about only work well for those trying to sell it.

Check out the link and let me know how easily you get lost. I used it to teach my 15 year old niece algebra (she was flunking it in school).

 

[Iceweasel]

I would hope it would make our society better. But giving it a shot would be better than not giving it a shot at all. I would also hope that it improved our economy. But let's say everybody on the planet was Stephen Hawkings good at mathematics. How much demand would there be for mathematicians. Also, according to a news program I was watching once, China is awash with unemployed engineers. Obviously simply having the training isn't enough. And from what I hear, having a college education here in the U.S. is no guarantee of finding employment.

Why would you need to hear that college was no guarantee of a job? It's common sense. College can't teach you how to think. It's like going to the gym. A degree in muscles won't do anything for your muscles. You have to use them and then they get stronger.

Europeans don't spend much on a military so they do have more for social programs. But if you join the military they can help you with an education, it worked for me.

From what I hear, China is awash with unemployed engineers. I doubt if it is because as engineers, they can't think. Next, before Hitler came to power, Germany was in an economic ruin. Hitler turned that ruin into an economic miracle. Which probably was made more difficult by the allies having stolen about 65 billion in gold, in back then money. That was for reparations for WW I. Which Germany got sucked into like everybody else. Hitler put a stop to that too. But he was defeated. I hear Germany made its last WW I reparation payment in about 2010. As for what Germany and Japan spend on the military, though I don't know, I would doubt if it was much different as a percentage of their GDP as it is for the U.S.

WTF? You are trying to make publicly funded higher ed more palatable by using Hitler?

 

[Divine Wind]

Some articles on College and the high cost/low benefit of higher education:

Will tuition ever stop increasing?
These unprecedented levels of student loan debt have only been worsened by a lackluster economy. Around 50% of graduates with bachelor's degrees under 25 are either unemployed or underemployed, according to the Associated Press. It doesn't help that over the same period that saw rapid rises in tuition rates and tuition paid, incomes have stagnated. That means that a college education is increasingly unaffordable for most students and necessitates a continued increase in student loan debt.

Making college more expensive: Our view
Making college more expensive: Our view

Democrats' proposals do little to rein in costs.
The United States prides itself on being innovative and creative. Yet it is struggling to train its next generation of achievers. Despite rapidly rising sums that the federal government has devoted to loans and grants, American college students and recent graduates are wallowing in debt. At last count, they owed $1.2 trillion.

Not surprisingly, the leading Democratic presidential candidates — Hillary Clinton,Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley — have come up with plans they say will make colleges more affordable and provide debt relief for millennials. Though well-intentioned, their plans threaten to drive up costs rather than rein them in. They would all throw more federal money at colleges while offering little but hope that these institutions would hold expenses down.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...and-universities-editorials-debates/32431831/
If history is any guide, colleges and universities will channel much of the additional money into areas that don't directly benefit students. They might also hike tuition, telling students not to worry because taxpayers will pick up much of the additional burden. A Federal Reserve Bank of New York report found that colleges increased tuition 40 cents for every dollar received in Pell Grants, and 65 cents for every dollar in subsidized loans.
http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/sponsor-story/tourism-australia-wildlife/
Clinton's plan is the least ambitious and the most practical. Yet it still amounts to taxpayers spending a lot more money without concrete efforts to make colleges control costs. Its centerpiece is a 10-year, $175 billion program of matching grants to states that would require states to reverse recent budget cuts. It would also allow students and graduates to refinance their debts at lower interest rates, expand programs that let people repay their loans as a percentage of their incomes, and enhance existing education tax credits.

She would pay for all this with higher taxes on wealthy Americans. While the affluent can and should pay more, this is a well that lawmakers can go to only so often. New revenue that goes to tuition assistance is money that can't be used to shore up Social Security or Medicare, expand the nation's infrastructure, or reduce the budget deficit.

Plans offered by Sanders and O'Malley would go even further, setting a goal of debt-free education for all students at all public universities.

A better idea would be to take a magnifying glass to exactly why college costs have skyrocketed at three times the overall inflation rate since 1980. As with health care, the answer involves what happens when bills are paid with other people's money.

Too many universities have become bloated and inefficient, using their revenue in ways that don’t benefit the students’ education: Million dollar salaries awarded to top-paid college presidents. Professors who barely teach. Sparkling recreation centers, such as the one at Louisiana State University complete with a lazy river. Bloated bureaucracies with endless vice presidents. Money-losing sports programs.

It doesn’t take a Ph.D. to figure out where money could be saved, but persuading colleges to part with these extras won’t be easy. This is where the federal government and states can harness the leverage that accompanies their dollars to demand accountability, perhaps by awarding grants only to institutions that hold the line on tuition and fees.

Contrary to what many schools would tell you, such cost cutting isn't impossible. Purdue University in Indiana has frozen its tuition for two straight years and will continue to do so for at least two more. To be sure, some of this has been done with the budgetary gimmick of taking more out-of-state students, who pay much higher rates. Even so, Purdue's focus on cost containment should be followed by other schools.

Only by attacking rising tuition at its root cause will the problem of college affordability be addressed. The Democratic candidates need a little more educating on this.

 

[krypto]

Add that to being a slave of the jews. And I will PROVE it to you. Jews make up a little more than 2% of the U.S. population. If you are White and give half a cold turd about such an extreme minority, that PROVES you are enslaved by them. I could go on. But then again, you aren't worth it.

And he's an anti-Semite. Of course! Now we're getting down to the bottom of it.

Are you a jew? Or are you a slave. If you aren't jewish, it is interesting that you bring up "anti-semite." Because as I mentioned in the post you are probably commenting on, jews only mkake up a little over 2% of the U.S. population. Also, out of a world population of over 7 BILLION people, there are only about 14 million jews. So if you aren't jewish, that you would bring up "anti-semite" over such an extreme minority PROVES you are a slave of the jews. Now that we have gotten down to the bottom of that, I wish I could tell you more without getting banned.

 

[krypto]

Why should people be given a free high school education. Maybe they should just cut them loose after the eight grade and tell them that if they want more, they have to earn it. Also, I have never been to college myself. But from what I hear, the learning can be quite rigorous. With that being the case, wouldn't you then in a way "earn it?" Also, as everybody knows, having a college education is no guarantee of finding a suitable job afterward. When having highly educated people is generally good for society in general, why should society take a shit on them by making them roll those dice, go deep into debt and hope things turn out for the best.

Dude, it's not free. I pay a lot of taxes every year so kids can go to high school.

If a person has the talent, intellect and is willing to work for it, low interest college loans should be made available. However, low interest loans have helped raise the price of college, not reduce them. Shouldn't reducing the price of college be the priority?

When I went to highschool, I was never charged for it. That's all that matters. Next, if you make college free, reducing the price of college would be accomplished.