College Should Be Free! (For Americans)

[Lewdog]

When you give something away you negate all its value.

Making college "free" for everyone would result in just another 4 years of high school and the people attending would not be any better educated

No, just no. It would help the United States to catch up with the education of the rest of the world. Here are the current standings for the United States as far as education is concerned.

From this article in 2015, the United States ranked 29th out of 76 countries. If education stays like that, we are going to become a shit hole as the rest of the world grows around us.

Interactive map ranks school standards around the world

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Nothing is free.

Brainwashing is free. And being a slave is also free. But as far as a college education goes, somebody does have to pay for it. As long as it isn't the students, then everything is fine.

My husband and I paid for ours and we will pay for our children's...you leeches are on your own

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

 

[krypto]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

I agree, colleges should stop collecting tuition.

No. The government just should pick up the tab. Just as it does with police or the military.

No. The government just should pick up the tab.

Why should the government pay for stuff that's free?

Students being in debt up to their eyebrows for getting a college education doesn't sound very free to me.

 

[krypto]

It did used to be free.

I've never heard of college ever being free in the U.S.

Then you need to check out Berea College in Kentucky.

8 Colleges Where Students Attend For Free - Best College Reviews

I didn't say free college in the U.S. never existed. I have heard of one in N.Y. that used to offer a free education. I don't know if it still exists. But for 99.9% of all other colleges and universities, Americans always had to pay to attend. Except for those who used to serve in the military and got free college under the GI bill.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please explain how you plan on paying for free college.

please tell me how you plan to keep costs under control.

Please explain why we should listing to a lazy, whinny college drop out?

I will respond to your last statement first. I'm not a college dropout. I'm a highschool dropout. I dropped out of highschool in my third year with three years of credits to make up for. That is why I can intellectually spank those who debat me.

As for paying for college, money is a farce to begin with. Our country is over 18 trillion dollars in debt and has around 65 trillion dollars worth of unfunded obligations. Just add a few trillion to the 18 trillion. It doesn't matter if our country is 21 trillion dollars in debt or 41 trillion dollars in debt. It's all just numbers on a piece of paper. As for keeping the costs under control, there are many ways. But I have a simple idea. For example, if you want to learn how to dig a ditch, just learn from those who already dig ditches. So if you want to see how to keep costs down in providing free college to students, instead of just free highschool, see how the countries that provide free college to students do so.

So if you want to see how to keep costs down in providing free college to students, instead of just free highschool, see how the countries that provide free college to students do so.

They only let the good students go to college.
We could do that here, but the liberal whining would increase by orders of magnitude.

I never heard that they only let good students go to college. After all, higher education isn't wasted on those who aren't members of MENSA.

I never heard that they only let good students go to college.

It's obvious you're not very knowledgeable.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

I agree, colleges should stop collecting tuition.

No. The government just should pick up the tab. Just as it does with police or the military.

No. The government just should pick up the tab.

Why should the government pay for stuff that's free?

Students being in debt up to their eyebrows for getting a college education doesn't sound very free to me.

I agree, college isn't free.

 

[Lewdog]

Nothing is free.

Brainwashing is free. And being a slave is also free. But as far as a college education goes, somebody does have to pay for it. As long as it isn't the students, then everything is fine.

My husband and I paid for ours and we will pay for our children's...you leeches are on your own

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

 

[Lewdog]

It's sad when someone takes a serious topic like this and becomes a troll with it. If you are going to argue for free college education, at least bring good arguments to the table.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Nothing is free.

Brainwashing is free. And being a slave is also free. But as far as a college education goes, somebody does have to pay for it. As long as it isn't the students, then everything is fine.

My husband and I paid for ours and we will pay for our children's...you leeches are on your own

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

Regardless,the military is a great place to learn a career, our nephew goes into the USAF in August and they have his entire training and education already planned for him.

Military Tuition Assistance | Military.com

 

[Lewdog]

Brainwashing is free. And being a slave is also free. But as far as a college education goes, somebody does have to pay for it. As long as it isn't the students, then everything is fine.

My husband and I paid for ours and we will pay for our children's...you leeches are on your own

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

Regardless,the military is a great place to learn a career, our nephew goes into the USAF in August and they have his entire training and education already planned for him.

Military Tuition Assistance | Military.com

Military life isn't for everyone, and just because someone can't adjust to the regimented lifestyle doesn't mean that they should have to pay for a higher education while others don't. If you look at the map of the countries who outperform the United States in Education performance, most... *drum roll* have free higher education, including, (nasty word coming so cover your children's ears) those that are considered socialist countries.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

My husband and I paid for ours and we will pay for our children's...you leeches are on your own

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

Regardless,the military is a great place to learn a career, our nephew goes into the USAF in August and they have his entire training and education already planned for him.

Military Tuition Assistance | Military.com

Military life isn't for everyone, and just because someone can't adjust to the regimented lifestyle doesn't mean that they should have to pay for a higher education while others don't. If you look at the map of the countries who outperform the United States in Education performance, most... *drum roll* have free higher education, including, (nasty word coming so cover your children's ears) those that are considered socialist countries.

Except it's not free, nothing is ever free

 

[krypto]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

I agree, colleges should stop collecting tuition.

No. The government just should pick up the tab. Just as it does with police or the military.

No. The government just should pick up the tab.

Why should the government pay for stuff that's free?

The government doesn't have to pay for it, that's why you tax the ones that hide their money off shore or the ones on Wall Street who make millions of dollars betting on companies to fail.

that's why you tax the ones that hide their money off shore

How do you tax hidden money?

or the ones on Wall Street who make millions of dollars betting on companies to fail.

That sounds terrible. Could you explain how you make a bet like that?

I'll take this one. How do you tax money that's hidden? It isn't easy. But it can be done. But there's a simpler solution. Don't let the wealthy get enough money in the first place that they can hide. Also, I was watching a program about the great depression once. There was a super rich guy who had a wife at home that heard about the banking collapse. When her husband got home, she asked him in a worried manner of course about it. He said that he made more money than he ever had before.

Also, there are other financial ways of protecting yourself against some failure other than buying insurance. No doubt in the financial arena, they are basically able to do things that are akin to staking out a life insurance policy on somebody and then having them bumped off.

 

[krypto]

There are other countrues [sic] where college is free. .....

No, there are not.

According to the documentary "Sicko," college is free in France. Just as health care is.

Wrong

Wrong about college or health care.

 

[krypto]

There are other countrues where college is free. France for one. I suppose they think that having highly educated people is good for their society in general. I might have even stayed in school if I thought there was a snowball's chance in hell of my ever being able to afford college.

I agree, colleges should stop collecting tuition.

No. The government just should pick up the tab. Just as it does with police or the military.

You had better be kidding.

I'm not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree, colleges should stop collecting tuition.

No. The government just should pick up the tab. Just as it does with police or the military.

No. The government just should pick up the tab.

Why should the government pay for stuff that's free?

The government doesn't have to pay for it, that's why you tax the ones that hide their money off shore or the ones on Wall Street who make millions of dollars betting on companies to fail.

that's why you tax the ones that hide their money off shore

How do you tax hidden money?

or the ones on Wall Street who make millions of dollars betting on companies to fail.

That sounds terrible. Could you explain how you make a bet like that?

I'll take this one. How do you tax money that's hidden? It isn't easy. But it can be done. But there's a simpler solution. Don't let the wealthy get enough money in the first place that they can hide. Also, I was watching a program about the great depression once. There was a super rich guy who had a wife at home that heard about the banking collapse. When her husband got home, she asked him in a worried manner of course about it. He said that he made more money than he ever had before.

Also, there are other financial ways of protecting yourself against some failure other than buying insurance. No doubt in the financial arena, they are basically able to do things that are akin to staking out a life insurance policy on somebody and then having them bumped off.

Don't let the wealthy get enough money in the first place that they can hide.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

 

[Lewdog]

Oh. I see. Just because you and your husband were suckers, everybody has to be suckers. Forever and ever. Until the stars go dark.

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

Regardless,the military is a great place to learn a career, our nephew goes into the USAF in August and they have his entire training and education already planned for him.

Military Tuition Assistance | Military.com

Military life isn't for everyone, and just because someone can't adjust to the regimented lifestyle doesn't mean that they should have to pay for a higher education while others don't. If you look at the map of the countries who outperform the United States in Education performance, most... *drum roll* have free higher education, including, (nasty word coming so cover your children's ears) those that are considered socialist countries.

Except it's not free, nothing is ever free

Yes, it does end up being free because it is basically a cycle. Sure YOU might be the successfully hard working taxpayer NOW, but when some of your tax dollars goes into providing a free college education for someone else, then they become a successful hard working tax payer... and I think you get the gist of where I am going with this. But who ends up being the winner? We ALL do because in the end more jobs come to the United States because we have a better educated workforce to provide employees for companies. More companies, more jobs, more money flowing into the tax coffers. You see how this works?

 

[krypto]

College shouldn't be free. It mostly benefits middle and upper classes. And it's benefits accrue to those who complete it. The government shouldn't be subsidizing those who can afford it the most.

But education has to change. It's model is archaic and is pretty much the same as it was 100 years ago.

Eventually, technology will render the model obsolete.

Having more educated people benifits everyone. For example, I have heard that there is a shortage of nurses in this country. Also, many people are now going overseas to get medical procedures done at a cheaper cost. (So much for our supposed "service based" economy) Which is something that not surprisingly, a lot of insurance companies are in favor of. If we had more educated people in this country in that field, people would be less likely to go overseas for treatment.

Well technically there is already a system for things like you are mentioning. In a lot of states there are grants for people to get their student loans forgiven if they work in certain fields, like police officers, medical personnel, and teachers.

What types of public service jobs will qualify a borrower for loan forgiveness under the PSLF Program? You must be employed full-time (in any position) by a public service organization, or must be serving in a fulltime AmeriCorps or Peace Corps position. Here are the types of organizations that meet the definition of “public service organization” for purposes of the PSLF Program: • A government organization (including a federal, state, local, or tribal organization, agency, or entity; a public child or family service agency; or a tribal college or university) • A not-for-profit, tax-exempt organization under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code • A private, not-for-profit organization (that is not a labor union or a partisan political organization) that provides one or more of the following public services:  Emergency management  Military service  Public safety  Law enforcement  Public interest law services  Early childhood education (including licensed or regulated health care, Head Start, and statefunded prekindergarten)  Public service for individuals with disabilities and the elderly  Public health (including nurses, nurse practitioners, nurses in a clinical setting, and full-time professionals engaged in health care practitioner occupations and health care support occupations)  Public education  Public library services  School library or other school-based services

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/sites/default/files/public-service-loan-forgiveness.pdf

Years ago, and maybe still, they had this thing called a PELL grant. Where if you wre poor, they would pay for your books and things. But it wouldn't have done me any good. Because for one thing, I had to put survival first. You know. Things like eating and paying rent. Also, the only way I could have gotten to the college is to hitchhike. And I wouldn't have cared to do that.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Suckers? We applied ourselves, took out loans for our educations (and paid back every penny...early) and in turn got good careers. We are under no obligation to pay for anyone else's anything and that includes college. We started saving for our children's education before they were even born because we know they will need that degree to compete. We struggled through college and when we first started out, that's life, you either apply yourself or you ask for someone to do it for you...if we do it for you then that would make us "suckers".

You want an education? Take out loans or give four years to your nation, the military will train you and then pay for your education,but no,nobody owes it to you

I actually don't think the GI Bill works the same way it used to.

Regardless,the military is a great place to learn a career, our nephew goes into the USAF in August and they have his entire training and education already planned for him.

Military Tuition Assistance | Military.com

Military life isn't for everyone, and just because someone can't adjust to the regimented lifestyle doesn't mean that they should have to pay for a higher education while others don't. If you look at the map of the countries who outperform the United States in Education performance, most... *drum roll* have free higher education, including, (nasty word coming so cover your children's ears) those that are considered socialist countries.

Except it's not free, nothing is ever free

Yes, it does end up being free because it is basically a cycle. Sure YOU might be the successfully hard working taxpayer NOW, but when some of your tax dollars goes into providing a free college education for someone else, then they become a successful hard working tax payer... and I think you get the gist of where I am going with this. But who ends up being the winner? We ALL do because in the end more jobs come to the United States because we have a better educated workforce to provide employees for companies. More companies, more jobs, more money flowing into the tax coffers. You see how this works?

I see how you think it will work but I doubt it would work. You take care of you and your children's education needs and we will do the same, I have no desire to fund you and yours...or anyone else

 

[Lewdog]

You can technically buy life insurance on other people.

Grim Risks of Reaping Death's Rewards

 

[krypto]

So simple to understand...

Do any of thise taxpayers make things or provide services that people buy? Well first of all, place tarifs on imported goods so they couldn't be sold for a cheaper price than what they would be if they were made in America. Then take taxpayer money and give everybody a check for 10,000 dollars. That would do to our economy what pouring gasoline onto a fire does for the fire. Tell me the taxpayers wouldn't end up benifiting.

Look, I'm for free education, but how come every time I debunk something you say you don't respond to it and instead use a red herring?

Are you talking to me? If so, what did I say that you debunked. And what is this "red herring" you speak of.