Clinton suggests she'd consider mandatory gun buy-backs, sparking fears of ‘confiscation’

[Sally Vater]

 

[jon_berzerk]

Right now, federal law doesn't prohibit convicted abusers from owning guns. Loopholes allow stalkers, abusive ex-dating partners, and people with emergency restraining orders to legally buy and own guns – endangering the lives of their victims.

You really don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about do you?

Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1]18 U.S.C.§ 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

Right now, federal law doesn't prohibit convicted abusers from owning guns. Loopholes allow stalkers, abusive ex-dating partners, and people with emergency restraining orders to legally buy and own guns – endangering the lives of their victims.

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You really don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about do you?

i like it when the misinformed antis make such bold remarks

--LOL

 

[Lakhota]

The best way for never-give-an-inch gun nutters to help protect our gun rights - is to give an inch. The radical faction of the NRA is not mainstream America. Most Americans, and responsible gun owners and hunters, want reasonable gun control. The gun nutters say if they give an inch - gun control advocates will want a mile. Well, maybe they will, but responsible gun owners and hunters won't give them a mile. We'll know when to draw the line in the sand. A majority of Americans have become indifferent to the gun-grabbing fear-mongering rhetoric from NRA gun nutters.

 

[Geaux4it]

Whats' the problem

-Geaux

 

[SwimExpert]

Whats' the problem

-Geaux

The problems that's a picture of Bruce Jenner.

 

[Geaux4it]

Whats' the problem

-Geaux

The problems that's a picture of Bruce Jenner.

Man, this is a public forum, you should keep your perverted fantasies to yourself

Just saying

-Geaux

 

[Campbell]

It doesn't start a gun control policy, it strips everyone outside of their ranks from owning guns. That's a tad different than banning fully automatic weapons and creating a working background check system. To say it's the same thing is ridiculous.

It doesn't start a gun control policy, it strips everyone outside of their ranks from owning guns. That's a tad different than banning fully automatic weapons and creating a working background check system. To say it's the same thing is ridiculous.

There is no way to create a working background check system.

Criminals get their guns by stealing them, or by using straw purchasers, people who can pass background checks who buy the guns for the criminals....thereby going around current federally mandated background checks and any future universal background check. And today, almost all first time rejections in background checks are for people who can legally own guns but get hit by a glitch in the system...

So could you explain how a background check system is supposed to work...when all evidence from the last 20 years show that it doesn't.......?

You throw people in jail who have anything to do with straw purchases. How is there not a way to crate a proper background check system? Before a couple of years ago a car couldn't go faster than 50 miles an hour on electricity, now you can.

What difference does it make to you? You don't even want a properly functioning background system. You guys just want to claim anyone who believes there should be at least some amount of gun control to be Nazis or akin to ISIS.

we already have a proper background check system..criminals just don't use it......if someone has a clean record they will pass any background check you can come up with....amd then they can sell or give their gun to a criminal....

I want a real system....put a tattoo on the shoulder of convicted felons....then you can check and immediately know if the buyer can buy the gun......felons will not be avle to even enter a gun store or gun show.

OK....now tell me what to do with the crazies? People with mental issues are more often than not major offenders. I repeat....what is wrong with a thorough cross checking examination and a 45 day waiting period?

Name one mass shooter that we have had that would have been stopped by a 45 day waiting period....research has shown mass shooters plan their attacks 6 months to 2 years in advance....well over your 45 day period....

mentally ill shooters are a timy number of all shooters.....amd the best way to catch them is with mental jphealth professionals....but......the colorado theater shooter and the sandy hook shooter both had contact with mental health professionals...didn't stop them.

cross checking examinations only work for those who submit to them...if criminals steal their guns and use people who can pass any examination to buy their guns for them...you can see why they don't work to stop criminals and mass shooters.

Calm down.....all we need to do is copy some of the countries where they don't have kind of murderous bullshit that goes on here....it's not rocket science. You're like the NRA...go ape shit as soon as you think somebody might stop the need of 3 guns per individual, man, woman or child. Do you really think we need that many goddam weapons in the common thread of our society. It takes a bunch of men with a small dick mentality to actually think we need that.

 

[OKTexas]

Right now, federal law doesn't prohibit convicted abusers from owning guns. Loopholes allow stalkers, abusive ex-dating partners, and people with emergency restraining orders to legally buy and own guns – endangering the lives of their victims.

You really don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about do you?

Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1]18 U.S.C.§ 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

Right now, federal law doesn't prohibit convicted abusers from owning guns. Loopholes allow stalkers, abusive ex-dating partners, and people with emergency restraining orders to legally buy and own guns – endangering the lives of their victims.

-------------------------------

You really don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about do you?

i like it when the misinformed antis make such bold remarks

--LOL

Yep, they get a lot of mileage from their ignorance.

 

[OKTexas]

There is no way to create a working background check system.

Criminals get their guns by stealing them, or by using straw purchasers, people who can pass background checks who buy the guns for the criminals....thereby going around current federally mandated background checks and any future universal background check. And today, almost all first time rejections in background checks are for people who can legally own guns but get hit by a glitch in the system...

So could you explain how a background check system is supposed to work...when all evidence from the last 20 years show that it doesn't.......?

You throw people in jail who have anything to do with straw purchases. How is there not a way to crate a proper background check system? Before a couple of years ago a car couldn't go faster than 50 miles an hour on electricity, now you can.

What difference does it make to you? You don't even want a properly functioning background system. You guys just want to claim anyone who believes there should be at least some amount of gun control to be Nazis or akin to ISIS.

we already have a proper background check system..criminals just don't use it......if someone has a clean record they will pass any background check you can come up with....amd then they can sell or give their gun to a criminal....

I want a real system....put a tattoo on the shoulder of convicted felons....then you can check and immediately know if the buyer can buy the gun......felons will not be avle to even enter a gun store or gun show.

OK....now tell me what to do with the crazies? People with mental issues are more often than not major offenders. I repeat....what is wrong with a thorough cross checking examination and a 45 day waiting period?

Name one mass shooter that we have had that would have been stopped by a 45 day waiting period....research has shown mass shooters plan their attacks 6 months to 2 years in advance....well over your 45 day period....

mentally ill shooters are a timy number of all shooters.....amd the best way to catch them is with mental jphealth professionals....but......the colorado theater shooter and the sandy hook shooter both had contact with mental health professionals...didn't stop them.

cross checking examinations only work for those who submit to them...if criminals steal their guns and use people who can pass any examination to buy their guns for them...you can see why they don't work to stop criminals and mass shooters.

Calm down.....all we need to do is copy some of the countries where they don't have kind of murderous bullshit that goes on here....it's not rocket science. You're like the NRA...go ape shit as soon as you think somebody might stop the need of 3 guns per individual, man, woman or child. Do you really think we need that many goddam weapons in the common thread of our society. It takes a bunch of men with a small dick mentality to actually think we need that.

Another really ignorant gun grabber, according to you there are 954 million guns in the US which has a population of about 318 million. Don't know where you're getting your misinformation but the real number is less than 1 per individual, not 3.

The Facts
Based on consolidated information from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, there are about 300 millions guns in the United States.

“There’s no perfect estimate of firearms in the U.S. because creating a national registry of firearms is prohibited by federal law,” noted Alex Katz, a spokesman for Mayors Against Illegal Guns. “But academics and interest groups across the political spectrum broadly agree on the 300 million figure.”

How Many Guns In The United States?

 

[Rozman]

The word mandatory is troubling...

 

[OKTexas]

This same crap came out when Obama first came.

How many guns were confiscated?

Sweet FA... None...

Lieing back then and lieing now...

You need to first pull your head out of your ass, then figure out how to use the spell check feature on your browser.

 

[Campbell]

This same crap came out when Obama first came.

How many guns were confiscated?

Sweet FA... None...

Lieing back then and lieing now...

You need to first pull your head out of your ass, then figure out how to use the spell check feature on your browser.

LOL!!! Just had to give that one another run

 

[Campbell]

the first thing isis does when it conquers a territory

is start gun control policy

Repent or die: al-Qaeda forces announce rules for Iraqi territory they now control

ISIS doesn't start gun control policies, it strips everyone outside of their ranks from owning guns. That's a tad different than banning fully automatic weapons and creating a working background check system. To say it's the same thing is ridiculous.

that is how gun control works

No, it's not. it's how a totalitarian organization works. Not the same thing. If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

Actually, you can.

Just have to do an even more in depth background check, get a special license, have a place to secure it, and agree to inspections that you are following the rules.

a multiple convicted felon was caught in New York with a fully automatic rifle.......gun grabber laws do not work...

and in Europe...with gun confiscation and extreme gun control laws...their criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.

You know what????

Either you can't read or don't want to know the facts:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

 

[Campbell]

ISIS doesn't start gun control policies, it strips everyone outside of their ranks from owning guns. That's a tad different than banning fully automatic weapons and creating a working background check system. To say it's the same thing is ridiculous.

that is how gun control works

No, it's not. it's how a totalitarian organization works. Not the same thing. If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

Actually, you can.

Just have to do an even more in depth background check, get a special license, have a place to secure it, and agree to inspections that you are following the rules.

a multiple convicted felon was caught in New York with a fully automatic rifle.......gun grabber laws do not work...

and in Europe...with gun confiscation and extreme gun control laws...their criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.

You know what????

Either you can't read or don't want to know the facts:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

LOL!!! I can't believe you are that ignorant. You must have pulled that one out of your arse:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

"With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison"

 

[2aguy]

The best way for never-give-an-inch gun nutters to help protect our gun rights - is to give an inch. The radical faction of the NRA is not mainstream America. Most Americans, and responsible gun owners and hunters, want reasonable gun control. The gun nutters say if they give an inch - gun control advocates will want a mile. Well, maybe they will, but responsible gun owners and hunters won't give them a mile. We'll know when to draw the line in the sand. A majority of Americans have become indifferent to the gun-grabbing fear-mongering rhetoric from NRA gun nutters.

Show me the mainstream Americans who understand what an anti gun extremist means when they say reasonable gun control......and the main stream American who understands the implications of each new law the anti gun extremists want...

 

[2aguy]

that is how gun control works

No, it's not. it's how a totalitarian organization works. Not the same thing. If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

Actually, you can.

Just have to do an even more in depth background check, get a special license, have a place to secure it, and agree to inspections that you are following the rules.

a multiple convicted felon was caught in New York with a fully automatic rifle.......gun grabber laws do not work...

and in Europe...with gun confiscation and extreme gun control laws...their criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.

You know what????

Either you can't read or don't want to know the facts:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

LOL!!! I can't believe you are that ignorant. You must have pulled that one out of your arse:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

"With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison"

Just how easy is it for criminals in Europe to get guns...well...let's ask the European police...see what they say.....

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

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aanother story on ease terrorists get guns....

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[OKTexas]

that is how gun control works

No, it's not. it's how a totalitarian organization works. Not the same thing. If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

Actually, you can.

Just have to do an even more in depth background check, get a special license, have a place to secure it, and agree to inspections that you are following the rules.

a multiple convicted felon was caught in New York with a fully automatic rifle.......gun grabber laws do not work...

and in Europe...with gun confiscation and extreme gun control laws...their criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.

You know what????

Either you can't read or don't want to know the facts:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

LOL!!! I can't believe you are that ignorant. You must have pulled that one out of your arse:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

"With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison"

Your link also proves your contention that more guns equals more gun homicides is a crock of crap. The US is by far number one in gun ownership and 28 in gun homicides. A number that is falling every year, even though gun ownership is rising.

 

[2aguy]

ISIS doesn't start gun control policies, it strips everyone outside of their ranks from owning guns. That's a tad different than banning fully automatic weapons and creating a working background check system. To say it's the same thing is ridiculous.

that is how gun control works

No, it's not. it's how a totalitarian organization works. Not the same thing. If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

If you think so, well then I guess you live in one as you aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons.

Actually, you can.

Just have to do an even more in depth background check, get a special license, have a place to secure it, and agree to inspections that you are following the rules.

a multiple convicted felon was caught in New York with a fully automatic rifle.......gun grabber laws do not work...

and in Europe...with gun confiscation and extreme gun control laws...their criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.

You know what????

Either you can't read or don't want to know the facts:

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country

More Americans than ever before now own guns and carry them...13 million people now carry guns for self defense......law abiding people.

Criminals murdered 8,124 people in 2014.

Each year according to bill clinton, 1.5 million times Americans used guns to stop violent criminal attack and in many cases saved lives.

1.5 million vs. 8,124

And our gun murder rate is going down, not up.......

While in Australia...they are about to see an increase in gun crime......

 

[CowboyTed]

This same crap came out when Obama first came.

How many guns were confiscated?

Sweet FA... None...

Lieing back then and lieing now...

You need to first pull your head out of your ass, then figure out how to use the spell check feature on your browser.

So I am right but I misspelt.

But the crazies had this same bullshit as they did with Obama... How did that go?

 

[OKTexas]

This same crap came out when Obama first came.

How many guns were confiscated?

Sweet FA... None...

Lieing back then and lieing now...

You need to first pull your head out of your ass, then figure out how to use the spell check feature on your browser.

So I am right but I misspelt.

But the crazies had this same bullshit as they did with Obama... How did that go?

Tell the people you're right that had their guns confiscated in improper civil forfeitures and the vets that voluntarily singed papers to allow a trustee to handle their financial affairs who had their gun rights revoked. And your dear leader is trying to expand these unlawful processes.