Cleric: Raped Women Are Like "Abandoned Meat"

[onedomino]

Sheik Won't Resign Until World 'Clean' of US

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20654202-1702,00.html

AUSTRALIA'S leading Muslim cleric, Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly, says he will only resign when the world is "clean of the White House".

After emerging from Friday prayers at Lakemba Mosque today, Sheik Hilaly was asked by a media pack whether he would quit over a speech in which he said scantily-dressed women invited rape.

"After we clean the world of the White House first," the sheik said.

Supporters of the sheik cheered and applauded loudly at the comments, which were directed firmly at US President George W Bush.

The sheik has previously described Mr Bush, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and Prime Minister John Howard as the axis of evil.

Despite calls from within the Islamic community for his resignation, Sheik Hilaly has been assured he has the support of grass-roots Muslims, a supporter said.

Other Muslim figures have called for him to stand down over a sermon last month in which he likened immodestly dressed women to uncovered meat.

Several thousand Muslims attended prayers at Lakemba Mosque today where British Imam Abdul Jalil Sajid gave the sermon in English in place of Sheik Hilaly.

Supporter and president of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, Keysar Trad, says the sheik will not resign but is taking a break which will include a pilgrimage to Mecca.

"Reaction from the grass roots is that we appreciate all the hard work the mufti has put in for the community," Mr Trad said outside Lakemba Mosque, where more than 2,000 Muslims gathered for Friday prayers today.

"We're certainly not going to pass judgment on the basis of one comment in which we know his intentions were completely different.

"The grass roots are behind him."

But the Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), which runs the Lakemba Mosque where the sheik preaches, says many of its members are embarrassed by his comments.

The LMA met last night and said it was satisfied with Sheik Hilaly's apology but is dismayed that he is not explaining himself publicly today.

"We wanted an explanation as to his thoughts on the matter," LMA President Tom Zrika said.

"The (LMA) board were satisfied with his apology last night, but some were priming for a retraction of his comments, but that's not going to happen.

"We've never, ever mentioned the word censure, we've never intended to terminate him or ban him in any way.

"There was an implied understanding following yesterday's discussion to take the necessary time off to recuperate and get back to health."

Mr Zrika said Sheik Hilaly is not speaking for all Muslims and the LMA hopes to meet with him again shortly to discuss his situation.

Mr Zrika fears the sheik's comments will cause a serious divisions within Muslims and a backlash from the wider Australian community.

He also asked Prime Minister John Howard and other politicians to stay out of the debate.

"Leave the Islam community to the Islam community," he said.

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[glockmail]

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I have a question. Where are the women's rights folks with this, whom Sharia law would mutilate their genitals? Where are the gays whom Sharia law would kill? Why is it mostly white males, for the most part secular, speaking out on this?

It was the same during the Clinton sex scandals and speaks of their true agenda: hate Republicans, support Democrats. Woman's rights mean relatively nothing to them.

 

[glockmail]

Actually everybody's up in arms including a lot of MUSLIM women. It's front page news here, actually taking up the entire front page. People are pissed! This is great because it's opening up Australian eyes to the idiot religion.

That's what's great about freedom of speech: let the idiot talk. The problem we have here with our Liberal press, however, is that these things that do not support the liberal agenda are ignored.

 

[Nuc]

That's what's great about freedom of speech: let the idiot talk. The problem we have here with our Liberal press, however, is that these things that do not support the liberal agenda are ignored.

Isn't it interesting how some people are more upset about what this fool said about the way chicks dress than about 9/11? And they say we brought 9/11 upon ourselves whereas they insist it's impossible for a woman to bring unwanted attention upon herself? :tears1:

 

[glockmail]

Isn't it interesting how some people are more upset about what this fool said about the way chicks dress than about 9/11? And they say we brought 9/11 upon ourselves whereas they insist it's impossible for a woman to bring unwanted attention upon herself? :tears1:

We didn't bring 9/11 upon ourselves. I do believe, however, that US Hollywood culture, exported around the world, has caused a lot of damage with our realtion with the Islamic world. That is probably the #1 reason why they hate the US.

So the Liberals who cause much of this hatred are the same people who claim it is caused by something else, and the same who wish us to fail in defeating terrorists.

 

[Nuc]

We didn't bring 9/11 upon ourselves. I do believe, however, that US Hollywood culture, exported around the world, has caused a lot of damage with our realtion with the Islamic world. That is probably the #1 reason why they hate the US.

So the Liberals who cause much of this hatred are the same people who claim it is caused by something else, and the same who wish us to fail in defeating terrorists.

Yeah, but at the same time they desire the things depicted in those movies. The Muslims that have that materialistic stuff are not as hostile as the have-nots. To some extent it's jealousy.

I think you're making a mistake by claiming that liberals are the cause of the putrid state of the entertainment industry. Film and music industries are about one thing and one thing only-making money. That's not necessarily an exclusively liberal thing is it? They sell rap music, violent movies, idiotic TV and what have you because they have discovered more people want that than intelligent or wholesome entertainment. Believe me if everybody wanted to listen to opera and watch Fellini movies that's what they'd be selling. The American public get what they deserve for having such poor taste. The money goes where the publics taste lies. It's got nothing to do with liberals creating that bad taste. Nobody's shoving this stuff down the publics throat, they are just idiots with a taste for sleaze.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Yeah, but at the same time they desire the things depicted in those movies. The Muslims that have that materialistic stuff are not as hostile as the have-nots. To some extent it's jealousy.

I think you're making a mistake by claiming that liberals are the cause of the putrid state of the entertainment industry. Film and music industries are about one thing and one thing only-making money. That's not necessarily an exclusively liberal thing is it? They sell rap music, violent movies, idiotic TV and what have you because they have discovered more people want that than intelligent or wholesome entertainment. Believe me if everybody wanted to listen to opera and watch Fellini movies that's what they'd be selling. The American public get what they deserve for having such poor taste. The money goes where the publics taste lies. It's got nothing to do with liberals creating that bad taste. Nobody's shoving this stuff down the publics throat, they are just idiots with a taste for sleaze.

This could also be a chicken/egg scenario. In the 50's, when Hollywood turned out more wholesome fare, that is what people watched. It is just as possible that the blanketing of America with sleaze has created a faux demand with countless mindless lemmings.

For a small, local example: My daughter went to her homecoming dance last night. She told me that almost all of the music was rap/hip hop. She doesn't like that music, nor do her close friends. Sh ementioned that when the DJ finally played a non-rapish song, most of the kids started singing along with it and had a great time. Yet, that was what they were force-fed for 3 hours.

 

[Abbey Normal]

As a follow-up consider this: Hollywood continually puts out lots of brooding, violent and "message" movies every year. There are exceptions, but what generally earns the big money? Family movies.The top three movies of 2005 were Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, Narnia and Harry Potter. This year, Pirates of the Carribean, Cars and Ice Age were big.

11th highest-grossing movie of all time: The Passion of the Christ

 

[Bullypulpit]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html

This is little different from the notion in this country that, because a woman is provocatively dressed, she is asking to be sexually assaulted. There have even been US judges, within the last 10 years (<i>Sorry, but I haven't yet found info on the specific case yet</i>) who have based their rulings against the victim using this logic.

But the whole premise of the notion, regardless of its source, is flawed. Such logic has only one purpose, and that is to justify the behavior of, and absolve from responsibility for his actions, the perpetrator of rape. The perpetrator can claim that a woman's appearance so inflamed his passions that he could not control himself and cannot be held responsible for his actions. This places men little higher than animals in heat, in terms of their morality. And while there are some men of such nature, they are a tiny minority.

This argument is the argument of a man, or men, who already feel threatened by women...who already feel some loss of control or powerlessness in their own lives. They react by lashing out at those weaker than themselves...And in this case, it is women. And rape is not about love, or even sex...It is about power. The provacative dress of a woman is simply a flimsy excuse for their actions. And when that excuse is sanctioned by a religious or political authority, it becomes abomination.

 

[Abbey Normal]

As a follow-up: Hollywood continually releases brooding, violent and "message" movies every year. There are exceptions, but what generally earns the big money? Family movies.The top three movies of 2005 were Star Wars Revenge of the Sith, Narnia and Harry Potter. This year, Pirates of the Carribean, Cars and Ice Age were big.

11th highest-grossing movie of all time: The Passion of the Christ

Food for thought...

 

[Nuc]

This could also be a chicken/egg scenario. In the 50's, when Hollywood turned out more wholesome fare, that is what people watched. It is just as possible that the blanketing of America with sleaze has created a faux demand with countless mindless lemmings.

For a small, local example: My daughter went to her homecoming dance last night. She told me that almost all of the music was rap/hip hop. She doesn't like that music, nor do her close friends. Sh ementioned that when the DJ finally played a non-rapish song, most of the kids started singing along with it and had a great time. Yet, that was what they were force-fed for 3 hours.

Yes Abbey, you're right here.

But the reason they shove this crap at people has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with unbridled, amoral capitalism. Is that liberal, conservative or neither?

 

[glockmail]

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I think you're making a mistake by claiming that liberals are the cause of the putrid state of the entertainment industry. Film and music industries are about one thing and one thing only-making money. That's not necessarily an exclusively liberal thing is it? They sell rap music, violent movies, idiotic TV and what have you because they have discovered more people want that than intelligent or wholesome entertainment. Believe me if everybody wanted to listen to opera and watch Fellini movies that's what they'd be selling. The American public get what they deserve for having such poor taste. The money goes where the publics taste lies. It's got nothing to do with liberals creating that bad taste. Nobody's shoving this stuff down the publics throat, they are just idiots with a taste for sleaze.

If that were true, then how do you explain the fact that G rated movies typically make a lot more money than R rated ones. The only rational explanations that I can think of 1) lazy imaginations ans 2) a "progressive" agenda.

Liberals love money just like everyone else. In fact, they crave the power that it brings more than most.

 

[glockmail]

Yes Abbey, you're right here.

But the reason they shove this crap at people has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with unbridled, amoral capitalism. Is that liberal, conservative or neither?

Neither. Capitalism is an economic system, not a moral one. Its competitor, socialism, is an immoral economic system because of the vast poverty that it creates.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Yes Abbey, you're right here.

But the reason they shove this crap at people has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with unbridled, amoral capitalism. Is that liberal, conservative or neither?

The fact that AgendaWood is overwhelmingly liberal makes me believe they produce movies that they think will both make money and send a message. There just are too many movies of that ilk to think otherwise. I would agree with you, though, that producers would not make movies that they actually think will lose money. The problem may be that in their insulated limousine liberal world, they think everyone except penniless illiterate red-staters thinks like they do, and will happliy pay $10.00 to see their message, uh, movie.

 

[jillian]

Neither. Capitalism is an economic system, not a moral one. Its competitor, socialism, is an immoral economic system because of the vast poverty that it creates.

Immoral system? Vast poverty it creates?!?!?! Ah... once again the total lack of knowledge you exhibit is astounding.

Nations that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are actually quite successful .... far more successful than we are in certain areas such as education and delivery of health care and maintaining a strong middle class.

 

[glockmail]

Immoral system? Vast poverty it creates?!?!?! Ah... once again the total lack of knowledge you exhibit is astounding.

Nations that are a mixture of capitalism and socialism are actually quite successful .... far more successful than we are in certain areas such as education and delivery of health care and maintaining a strong middle class.

Ahh- the euro-socialist in you rears its ugly head. Success by who's measure, yours? In the US we measure success by Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and these goals can only be measured by the individual, not you, not some UN Bureaucrat.

 

[Nuc]

If that were true, then how do you explain the fact that G rated movies typically make a lot more money than R rated ones. The only rational explanations that I can think of 1) lazy imaginations ans 2) a "progressive" agenda.

Liberals love money just like everyone else. In fact, they crave the power that it brings more than most.

We don't live in a homogenous society. The entertainment industry sells whatever to whomever and the only thing they care about it money. Pushing an agenda is way down on the list.

 

[Nuc]

Hey, the news today is that poor little mufti cleric had chest pains and had to be hospitalized. Therefore he has requested to be relieved of his duties indefinitely. He also blames the stress his remarks created and askes people to leave him and his family alone so he can recover. Poor little baby boy! I think the chest pains may have been created by needles in voodoo dolls all over the world. :guitar1:

 

[jillian]

Ahh- the euro-socialist in you rears its ugly head. Success by who's measure, yours? In the US we measure success by Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and these goals can only be measured by the individual, not you, not some UN Bureaucrat.

Euro-socialist? LOL! Damn, you get the prize for most vapid poster.

You measure the success of economic systems by "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?"

Funny, normal people measure the success of an economic system by examining the financial sucess of the people who are party to the system.

Good luck with the life, liberty thing.... kinda difficult to buy that new car with 'em... but whatever.

 

[Said1]

Ahh- the euro-socialist in you rears its ugly head. Success by who's measure, yours? In the US we measure success by Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and these goals can only be measured by the individual, not you, not some UN Bureaucrat.

How do you know she's not a Canadian socialist? The very best kind of socialist in the whole wiaaad werld.