Clear evidence THE SCIENCE doesnt matter!!!!

[skookerasbil]

w0w.....if you are a AGW guy these days, the sledding is indeed rough. In fact, one might say it like sledding down a conrete hill.

But dont take my word for it......read what the New York Times had to say today.......


Congressional stalwarts are working new carbon-tax legislation, but don’t hold your breath. This month, during a free-for-all of amendments in the Senate budget debate, Whitehouse actually did propose a nonbinding resolution establishing “a fee on carbon pollution.” The amendment failed, 41 to 58.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/opinion/collins-cooling-on-warming.html?ref=opinion&_r=1&


And that is in the Senate, controlled, of course, by the Dums.!!!!


Imagine a vote in the House?????!!!!



As Ive been saying in here for years.....nobody gives a rats ass about the "consensus" science except the committed AGW k00ks........or that vote would be flipped!!!


This forum has become nothing more than a science hobby site........and of course, a hobby site for skooks to keep reminding the environmentally curious how hopeless the AGW BS cause is. No politician seems at all eager to slam the middle class with hyper taxes on electricity!!!

 

[TheOldSchool]

Yeeeeaaaaaaaa Scooter ass Biiiiiiiiill tell em!!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Old Rocks]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

 

[skookerasbil]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

I get all that Ray, but you are making out like we have another option to flip the switch on and make it all go away, even if the gloom and doom predictions are correct. We dont. Its that simple. And frankly, to go head long into a 76 trilllion dollar campaign to correct what would be likely uncorrectable just doesnt make much sense to me. We will have to adapt incrementally.....and really Ray, it is my belief that the government has technological capabilities far beyond todays realities. Im sure you have heard of quantum computing/computers. We'll adapt if necessary, but there isnt a snowballs chance in hell the politics are going to change on this. You remember what Obama said in 2008, "Its going to cost people......alot" ( re: clean energy). The Senate vote clearly shows this is a radioactive topic politically. Only politicans in solidly left districts will go near it. Anything less than a projected 20 point poll gap is making any Dum stay far away from any carbon tax nonsense......not to mention then having to wear a big sign, I KILLED THOUSANDS OF JOBS!!!" on their chest. Politicians dont like that. Too.......the irony is, the price of food what it is, makes it all the more impossible. And with the current government not at all interested in growth related economic policy, the revenue side is crap.......and will continue to be. Only that idiot Krugman and maybe 9 other people think these economic policies will bring prosperity.

Think about it.......what politican is going to go into a campaign with this as part of his platform, "I want to do something about this climate change that is causing these devestating storms.....but we all must suffer an electric bill that goes up 100% and we are all going to have to get rid of our Smartphones. We can do this!!!"



Hey Ray......just bought my son his first rifle. Its a bolt action 17 and a lefty shot at that. I got lucky and found one. Still cant get .22 caliber ammo, or .223 for that matter here in New York, today named the most oppressive state in the union in terms of lost freedoms. I gotta get out of this shithole.

 

[skookerasbil]

TASB.........bro, the short concise responses from you never fail to get me laughing my ass off on this message board, something I rarely do.

Did you hear Weir stormed off stage at a show out west about a month ago?

 

[westwall]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Oh yes, New York NEVER gets major storms... What a tard you are olfraud....

The Long Island Express hit New York in 1938 and KILLED 700! Sandy wasn't even a hurricane when she made landfall.

Here are the basic numbers for the Long Island Hurricane of 1938.......compared vs Sandy it is orders of magnitude more severe and occurred when CO2 levels were "safe". What a bunch of illiterate un-scientific twerps you all are.


Peak Steady Winds - 121 mph

Peak Gust - 186 mph at Blue Hill Observatory, MA.

Lowest Pressure - 27.94 in (946.2 mb) at Bellport, NY

Peak Storm Surge - 17 ft. above normal high tide (RI)

Peak Wave Heights - 50 ft. at Gloucester, MA

Deaths - 700 (600 in New England)

Homeless - 63,000

Homes, Buildings Destroyed - 8,900

Boats Lost - 3,300

Trees Destroyed - 2 Billion (approx.)

Cost - $620 million (1938)

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Hurricanes-and-History-128416478.html

 

[asterism]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Two major storms in two years? I wonder if that has ever happened before....

List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[depotoo]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Wow and in 1815-17 there were 4!

September 5, 1815 — A hurricane tracks over North Carolina and parallels the East Coast before producing a heavy rainstorm in New York.[5]
September 24, 1815 — Several hundred trees fall and the majority of the fruit was stripped off apple trees just prior to harvesting time after a hurricane makes landfall on Long Island.[6]
September 16, 1816 — A possible hurricane strikes New York City, but damage remains unknown.[2]
August 9, 1817 — A tropical storm produces heavy rainfall in New York City and Long Island

 

[skookerasbil]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Wow and in 1815-17 there were 4!

September 5, 1815 — A hurricane tracks over North Carolina and parallels the East Coast before producing a heavy rainstorm in New York.[5]
September 24, 1815 — Several hundred trees fall and the majority of the fruit was stripped off apple trees just prior to harvesting time after a hurricane makes landfall on Long Island.[6]
September 16, 1816 — A possible hurricane strikes New York City, but damage remains unknown.[2]
August 9, 1817 — A tropical storm produces heavy rainfall in New York City and Long Island

Indeed.


What makes the whole global warming agenda so foolproof is they make it a point never to compare todays stuff to events from 100 years ago, or 200 years ago......as if weather only started recently. But the most recent stuff is always fresh in peoples minds so it resonates. Now, you get a few 50 mile an hour wind gusts somewhere and its a freak weather event clearly being driven by climate change. Drought......when the climate change fanatics start talking drought, they dont go anywhere near graphs/maps from 50 or 100 years ago.......because the shit looks the same now as it did then.

IN fact, I think I'll go find that and post it up to keep the real in Realville.........

OOOOOOOOPS









This whole "climate change" stuff wouldnt have a leg to stand on except we got alot of uninformed jackasses walking around this nation spending 16 hours a day texting on their fucking cell phones. The climate change k00ks can be very effective with sundbite shit not placed in any context. It is brilliant strategy to perpetuate a myth thug, that is for sure.


Thankfully, as post numero uno above demonstrates, significant climate change legislation is a pipe dream.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

And yet no real evidence man caused global warming, in fact the consensus is changing to "the sun did it".

 

[Old Rocks]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

And yet no real evidence man caused global warming, in fact the consensus is changing to "the sun did it".

Care to show something to prove that idiotic assertation?

 

[skookerasbil]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

And yet no real evidence man caused global warming, in fact the consensus is changing to "the sun did it".

Care to show something to prove that idiotic assertation?

The whole point is......nobody can prove ANYTHING.

That is why this whole debate is so absurd.



Data and statistics have always been fucked with......but now, its become a science. Shit.....even the social sciences are littered with manipulated stuff, for and against, against and for. Just a matter of which sucker buys which set of statistics.


This site has volumes and volumes of stuff that obliterates so much of the established narrative crap..........

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/



Here is something from the site..............Global warming was invented by scientists. http://www.thegwpf.org/rupert-darwall-age-global-warming/

 

[Old Rocks]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Oh yes, New York NEVER gets major storms... What a tard you are olfraud....

The Long Island Express hit New York in 1938 and KILLED 700! Sandy wasn't even a hurricane when she made landfall.

Here are the basic numbers for the Long Island Hurricane of 1938.......compared vs Sandy it is orders of magnitude more severe and occurred when CO2 levels were "safe". What a bunch of illiterate un-scientific twerps you all are.


Peak Steady Winds - 121 mph

Peak Gust - 186 mph at Blue Hill Observatory, MA.

Lowest Pressure - 27.94 in (946.2 mb) at Bellport, NY

Peak Storm Surge - 17 ft. above normal high tide (RI)

Peak Wave Heights - 50 ft. at Gloucester, MA

Deaths - 700 (600 in New England)

Homeless - 63,000

Homes, Buildings Destroyed - 8,900

Boats Lost - 3,300

Trees Destroyed - 2 Billion (approx.)

Cost - $620 million (1938)

The Hurricane of 1938 and Hurricane Irene | NBC New York

List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

October 28-29, 2012- Hurricane Sandy, a historic storm makes landfall near Atlantic City, New Jersey with 85 m.p.h. winds. This storm was unusual in that it was a late season hurricane that combined with a Nor'easter at high tide during a full moon, producing long lasting and devastating results not seen in generations. The largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic Basin, wind gusts topped 100 m.p.h near the Whitestone Bridge and other parts of the New York Metropolitan area. Sandy caused a record 14 foot storm surge at Battery Park, New York City, flooding parts of lower Manhattan, Meatpacking District and Chelsea including various tunnels and subway systems, making them inoperable for weeks. Some subway lines are still heavily damaged and unusable including a large portion of the A train from Howard Beach through Far Rockaway. The immediate aftermath included widespread unprecedented flooding, massive power outages and a system-wide disruption of mass transit service. Sandy had a significant effect on the digital world. 1/4 of cable, Internet, and wireless providers were unable to properly operate following the storm. Over nine million customers were without power including 90 percent of Long Island and most of Manhattan below 49th street. Many low-lying neighborhoods in the Jersey Shore, South Shore of Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island were almost completely destroyed. Thousands of homes and businesses were demolished by the record storm surge. This hurricane proved to be the second most costly hurricane in United States history, second only to Hurricane Katrina and the second deadliest hurricane to strike the New York area since New England Hurricane of 1938.[93]

The Long Island Express of 1938 caught everybody by surprise. Sandy was prepared for days ahead as the European Model gave us that much advance warning. In spite of that, Sandy caused 53 deaths compared to the toll of 60 in 1938.

Sandy was the second most damaging storm after Katrina. Denigrating that damage is what the 'Conservatives' have done every since the storm. It was a one of the biggest storms ever recorded, but it does not fit the message of the GOP so the GOP has prevented aid to the people affected by the storm. This, in part, aided the re-election of President Obama. Make a political issue of the weather, be on the wrong side of the issue, and lose elections.

 

[Old Rocks]

Speaking of big storms;

Huge North Atlantic Storm Brings 40-Foot Waves - The WeatherMatrix Blog Weather Blog

Huge Storm Stretches Across Atlantic Ocean | Extreme Weather | LiveScience

Incredible North Atlantic storm spans Atlantic Ocean, coast to coast -- Earth Changes -- Sott.net

 

[skookerasbil]

Back to topic..........

Congressional stalwarts are working new carbon-tax legislation, but don’t hold your breath. This month, during a free-for-all of amendments in the Senate budget debate, Whitehouse actually did propose a nonbinding resolution establishing “a fee on carbon pollution.” The amendment failed, 41 to 58.



We've been blinded by science for over 25 years now.........and its not mattering.

 

[skookerasbil]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWitntwPjM4]Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me with Science (Live) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[polarbear]

Steve, you have had two major storms in two years time. Maybe just coincidence, maybe the start of things to come.

As extreme weather events become even more common, we are all going to lose. Money spent rebuilding communities is money that we will not have for other purposes. Looked at the prices in the grocery store lately? That is another affect of the weather events we are seeing right now. At some point people are going to wake up to the reality of what is happening, and the cause of it. And those that have used poltical means to prevent any preparations for the consequences of a changing climate will suffer the political consequences.

Two major storms in two years? I wonder if that has ever happened before....

List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meteor hits Russia on the same day as DA14 missed it by only 15 minutes.
I wonder if that ever happened before ?

 

[skookerasbil]

Graph from the recent article in the magazine "The Economist"......a highly mainstream magazine which previously had sounded the horn on warming. The worm has turned for them on global warming........because facts are facts.........

Climate science: A sensitive matter | The Economist



But the environmental k00ks dont like facts.