Clarence Thomas drank heavily, watched porn

[JakeStarkey]

How many people who have been convicted on such were later released because the testimony was recanted or turned over?

 

[del]

Trajan wrote:

shes a heroine IF she was straight with us. We don't really know and never will.

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

some corroboration would be nice.

eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.


ask the fbi

 

[Big Black Dog]

Clarence... I wonder? I have heard it said before that every time you hear a bell ring, a Supreme Court Justice gets his robe.

 

[Madeline]

Trajan wrote:

shes a heroine IF she was straight with us. We don't really know and never will.

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

some corroboration would be nice.

eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

ask the fbi

She was not identifying Thomas in a line up, del. If you happen to believe she was impeached by that shithead Specter, okay....but Hill was certainly speaking about the correct malfeasor.

IMO, she was 100% believable then and the more we came to know later, the more surrounding circumstances reinforce that what she testified to was truthful. I'll agree some sort of corroboration would be handy, but in my case, it is not necessary. I'm fully convinced.

 

[del]

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

some corroboration would be nice.

eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

ask the fbi

She was not identifying Thomas in a line up, del. If you happen to believe she was impeached by that shithead Specter, okay....but Hill was certainly speaking about the correct malfeasor.

IMO, she was 100% believable then and the more we came to know later, the more surrounding circumstances reinforce that what she testified to was truthful. I'll agree some sort of corroboration would be handy, but in my case, it is not necessary. I'm fully convinced.

shocker

 

[Trajan]

Trajan wrote:

shes a heroine IF she was straight with us. We don't really know and never will.

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

*sigh* testimony to what? exactly? that she was at some point upset? none of of us know exactly what went down between the 2 of them. I am inclined to believe something did, only because she would have to be pathologically unbalanced to open that box after all those years.

But then again we don't know what made her upset, then, she followed him to another agency and continued to speak with him and contact him etc etc after the alleged issues, so as I said, we'll never know.

 

[Madeline]

Trajan wrote:

shes a heroine IF she was straight with us. We don't really know and never will.

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

*sigh* testimony to what? exactly? that she was at some point upset? none of of us know exactly what went down between the 2 of them. I am inclined to believe something did, only because she would have to be pathologically unbalanced to open that box after all those years.

But then again we don't know what made her upset, then, she followed him to another agency and continued to speak with him and contact him etc etc after the alleged issues, so as I said, we'll never know.

Her testimony was specific, Trajan. Repeated demands that she see him socially/sexually, which she not only refused but asked him to stop making. Repeated convos about porn, that she asked him to stop. The coke can with a pubic hair on it he gave her and then watched as she was disgusted. Etc.

Hill did not get up and testify to some vague "he makes me uncomfy" thingie.

I suspect we are different ages. In 1991 I was 38 years old and had only been a lawyer a few years. The Thomas confirmation hearings made a huge impact on me, and I watched darned near the whole process.

 

[Charles_Main]

(CNN) -- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker who had a pornography habit or fetish in the 1980s, then changed radically when he stopped drinking alcohol, his former girlfriend told CNN on Monday.

Lillian McEwen, who dated Thomas for several years before he was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1991, provided CNN's "Larry King Live" program with a harsh depiction of Thomas. She said when they first met, he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

Former girlfriend says Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker, porn user - CNN.com

Do you just say something bad about a black Public Figure? Why surely you must be a racist!!!

 

[Madeline]

(CNN) -- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker who had a pornography habit or fetish in the 1980s, then changed radically when he stopped drinking alcohol, his former girlfriend told CNN on Monday.

Lillian McEwen, who dated Thomas for several years before he was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1991, provided CNN's "Larry King Live" program with a harsh depiction of Thomas. She said when they first met, he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

Former girlfriend says Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker, porn user - CNN.com

Do you just say something bad about a black Public Figure? Why surely you must be a racist!!!

Well played, Charles Main!

 

[Charles_Main]

just a little Cynicism on my part!

 

[shintao]

he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

See what happens when you deny a man his drink & porn? More men are ruined by christian morals than anything a women could do to him............

 

[shintao]

Eyewitness testimony is not proof?

*sigh* testimony to what? exactly? that she was at some point upset? none of of us know exactly what went down between the 2 of them. I am inclined to believe something did, only because she would have to be pathologically unbalanced to open that box after all those years.

But then again we don't know what made her upset, then, she followed him to another agency and continued to speak with him and contact him etc etc after the alleged issues, so as I said, we'll never know.

Her testimony was specific, Trajan. Repeated demands that she see him socially/sexually, which she not only refused but asked him to stop making. Repeated convos about porn, that she asked him to stop. The coke can with a pubic hair on it he gave her and then watched as she was disgusted. Etc.

Hill did not get up and testify to some vague "he makes me uncomfy" thingie.

I suspect we are different ages. In 1991 I was 38 years old and had only been a lawyer a few years. The Thomas confirmation hearings made a huge impact on me, and I watched darned near the whole process.

What bothers me about these women, is they never bring it up or do anything about it while they hold the job or whatever, they wait years as he rubs his cock under their nose, much to their own self-delight I suppose, AND then when it is over, or at the ultimate time in a mans life and public exposure they come the fuck out of the closet. Someone should put a gun to their heads and pull the.................the shades down.

I don't think she lied, I think she "conveniently" told the truth. And that being the case, it didn't bother her at the time enough to make an issue out of it. That being the case, she should have kept her damned mouth shut.

 

[Madeline]

*sigh* testimony to what? exactly? that she was at some point upset? none of of us know exactly what went down between the 2 of them. I am inclined to believe something did, only because she would have to be pathologically unbalanced to open that box after all those years.

But then again we don't know what made her upset, then, she followed him to another agency and continued to speak with him and contact him etc etc after the alleged issues, so as I said, we'll never know.

Her testimony was specific, Trajan. Repeated demands that she see him socially/sexually, which she not only refused but asked him to stop making. Repeated convos about porn, that she asked him to stop. The coke can with a pubic hair on it he gave her and then watched as she was disgusted. Etc.

Hill did not get up and testify to some vague "he makes me uncomfy" thingie.

I suspect we are different ages. In 1991 I was 38 years old and had only been a lawyer a few years. The Thomas confirmation hearings made a huge impact on me, and I watched darned near the whole process.

What bothers me about these women, is they never bring it up or do anything about it while they hold the job or whatever, they wait years as he rubs his cock under their nose, much to their own self-delight I suppose, AND then when it is over, or at the ultimate time in a mans life and public exposure they come the fuck out of the closet. Someone should put a gun to their heads and pull the.................the shades down.

I don't think she lied, I think she "conveniently" told the truth. And that being the case, it didn't bother her at the time enough to make an issue out of it. That being the case, she should have kept her damned mouth shut.

Many people agree with you, shintao. I don't. It was not uncommon in the 1980's and thereabouts for a professional woman with ambition to suffer though a bout of sexual harrassment in silence......things are different now, and it's unfair to judge Hill's conduct by new and improved standards.

I think it is likely it never got so bad she felt physically threatened, so she kept shoving him away and sucked it up. When they parted company, I doubt she had plans to ever repeat what had happened to anyone. But then Bush tapped Thomas for the SCOTUS -- that was an eventuality she could not have foreseen.

IMO, Hill knew before she testified she was about to be spit-roasted and she only did it to try and keep a man she knew to be unfit from taking the bench. It was patriotic and brave and risky as hell. Nearly paid off, too. No other Justice has ever been confirmed on a slimmer margin.

 

[Gunny]

(CNN) -- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker who had a pornography habit or fetish in the 1980s, then changed radically when he stopped drinking alcohol, his former girlfriend told CNN on Monday.

Lillian McEwen, who dated Thomas for several years before he was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1991, provided CNN's "Larry King Live" program with a harsh depiction of Thomas. She said when they first met, he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

Former girlfriend says Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker, porn user - CNN.com

Right. Idiot.

 

[Madeline]

(CNN) -- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker who had a pornography habit or fetish in the 1980s, then changed radically when he stopped drinking alcohol, his former girlfriend told CNN on Monday.

Lillian McEwen, who dated Thomas for several years before he was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1991, provided CNN's "Larry King Live" program with a harsh depiction of Thomas. She said when they first met, he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

Former girlfriend says Clarence Thomas was a binge drinker, porn user - CNN.com

Right. Idiot.

Care to explain who you are calling an idiot, and why? Or just passing through?

 

[Chris]

he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

See what happens when you deny a man his drink & porn? More men are ruined by christian morals than anything a women could do to him............

No beer and no TV make Homer go crazy.

 

[Madeline]

he might have been a "raving alcoholic" who used pornography to help fulfill sexual fantasies, but then gave up drinking and transformed into an angry, obsessive man who bullied his son.

See what happens when you deny a man his drink & porn? More men are ruined by christian morals than anything a women could do to him............

No beer and no TV make Homer go crazy.

Chris! Waltzing in after the mud fight, eh? Have you read this whole thread?

Some people dun wanna believe Thomas is a bad guy.

Color me *stupified*.

 

[candycorn]

LOL, Another Faux outrage for the lefties.

Too bad Thomas didn't come from the KENNEDY CLAN. then none of this would be a bother and he would of been ELECTED over and over and over again.

No doubt about it; theres a double standard on the left; when "our guys do it" it's okay.

I just refuse to believe the rumors when it is said that he is so hateful of women, a binge drinker, bullies his son, and is so deep into porn could hold a job for that long in the first place at the EEOC and; in the second place, pass an FBI background check, and then in the third place, work in a place surrounded by lawyers for one, media for another, and activists for a third and have kept his nose squeaky clean since what, 1989? The precise year escapes me.

Where was this GF for the last 21 years? Had she not heard?

I describe myself as 51% democrat; on this I think the left is out to lunch.

 

[California Girl]

LOL, Another Faux outrage for the lefties.

Too bad Thomas didn't come from the KENNEDY CLAN. then none of this would be a bother and he would of been ELECTED over and over and over again.

No doubt about it; theres a double standard on the left; when "our guys do it" it's okay.

I just refuse to believe the rumors when it is said that he is so hateful of women, a binge drinker, bullies his son, and is so deep into porn could hold a job for that long in the first place at the EEOC and; in the second place, pass an FBI background check, and then in the third place, work in a place surrounded by lawyers for one, media for another, and activists for a third and have kept his nose squeaky clean since what, 1989? The precise year escapes me.

Where was this GF for the last 21 years? Had she not heard?

I describe myself as 51% democrat; on this I think the left is out to lunch.

It's not just the left that do 'double standards'. It is, apparently, acceptable whenever the person involved is of the same political persuasion. When it is someone you disagree with, then that person is the devil incarnate.

Personally, unless someone has something more than 'he said, she said".... like actual evidence... I'm disinclined to comment on it. It's just gossip. That opinion - or the lack of an opinion - apparently means I'm defending Thomas.... if you're very stupid.

 

[Madeline]

Yes, when believing one or the other is required and you chose the one whose story does not hang together, who has not passed a polygraph, who has been said by others to have engaged in the same behavior....and the reason you do so is because life would be so much simpler if you could pretend that everyone you "think" shares your politics is a Good Guy, then you are being stupid.