Civilians vs Combatents

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, this is nonsense.

• This argument is merely subterfuge that attempts to suggest that the territory under the mandate was already a states under Arab sovereignty; which it was not.​

​

You are going back to Israeli propaganda talking points. Palestinians have the right to sovereignty as UN resolutions have affirmed. The exercise of their right has been violated by occupation. That does not negate their rights.

(COMMENT)

Yes, the ArabPalestinians have the right to self-determination. No one has argued against that. But the Arab Palestinian right does not preempt the same right to self-determination that any other peoples have; including that of the Jewish People. The Arab Palestinians do not have a superior claim to that of the Jewish Citizens of the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine.

The Arab Palestinians rights cannot interfere with the Jewish rights.

If this case, the territorial dispute depends on significant facts that occurred, or a treaty concluded, nearly a century ago. The doctrine of inter-temporal law ["lex retro non agit" (law does not work backward)] has become well-established: “in such cases the situation in question must be appraised, and the treaty interpreted, in the light of the rules of international law as they existed at that time, and not as they exist today.”

The ArabPalestinians cannot exert the right of self-determination from the outside inward. That is to say, the people called Arab-Palestinians, who are physically resident outside the exclusive jurisdiction of Israel, cannot claim the right of self-determination to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, the ArabPalestinians have the right to self-determination. No one has argued against that.​

Bullcrap, you always do. You always claim that colonial settlers have superior rights than the native population. Whenever I ask you to prove your point, you dance around the Issue.

No that is your claim in regards to the arab muslims. As we keep telling you the Jews had exactly the same rights as the arab muslims, just that they exercised them within the laws. It is your false claim every time you are shown that the arab muslims have done themselves no favours to say we give the Jews more rights. Well now I am calling you out on your claim, produce the evidence or admit that you are wrong. Prove we give the arab muslims less rights under the international laws of the time, and so give the Jews more rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That's a sword which cuts both ways though. If you want to say that the only "legitimate Palestinians" are those who lived in the territory prior to 1923, or 1900 or 1850 or 1782 or 200 BCE or whatever number you want to assign to the problem, that's all fine and dandy but you must apply it equally to both sides.

And the problem with THAT is you still end up with two groups of "Palestinians" -- the Jewish people and the Arab Muslim people. (Well, unless you want to go back far enough that it was JUST the Jewish people but I assume you don't want to go that far back). And both those groups of "Palestinians" have rights to self-determination and sovereignty over the territory. And part of sovereignty is permitting immigration, or not.

You simply can not require rights for one group while denying them to the other.

Just go back to 1099 and you see that there were no arab muslims extant in Palestine. Then you see that the Jews have existed on the land uninterrupted for over 4,500 years, followed by the Roman Christians with under 2,000 years and finally the arab muslims who existed for just 22 years as sovereign owners of the land. The historical evidence proves that the arab muslims flooded Palestine in the years between 1920 and 1967 as there is no way a third world nation could manage a population increase better than that of a civilised nation with full health benefits and aftercare. According to team Palestine every female between the ages of 12 and 50 gave birth to triplets every year and not one person died of any causes during that period.


You forget these are Nazi's we are dealing with and they can refuse certain groups their rights as they hate them with a vengance

Why do you keep blabbering on about religion? This is not a religious conflict It is about foreign colonialism in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you have it wrong.

So, since the Israelis declared Independence over the territory​

Not "the territory," Palestinian territory. Israel cannot claim that territory just by say so.

(COMMENT)

It was NOT Palestinian territory. It was territory formerly under the Mandate to Palestine. No only did the Israelis make a Declaration of Independence, the process leading up to that was based on the UN Step Preparatory to Independence, and then the State of Israel had to fight a war of independence with the aggressor nation of the Arab League as well as the irregular forces (Asymmetric) of the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Making an argument that is based on the assumption it was "Palestinian Territory" will lead you astray every time.

It was never under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Arabs. The rights and title were surrendered to the Allied Powers by the former sovereign to the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic.

Most Respectfully,
R

Making an argument that is based on the assumption it was "Palestinian Territory" will lead you astray every time.​

So you are saying that Palestine did not belong to the Palestinian citizens? Sovereignty belongs to the Palestinians as UN resolutions affirm.

So who did it belong to before the UN was invented ? Who was the sovereign owners of the mandate of Palestine between 1917 and 1945. Who enacted all the Laws, printed the money, issued passports and looked after the postal service ? Who was it that ran this fantasy nation of Palestine that has never existed until 1988, and then in name only

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That's a sword which cuts both ways though. If you want to say that the only "legitimate Palestinians" are those who lived in the territory prior to 1923, or 1900 or 1850 or 1782 or 200 BCE or whatever number you want to assign to the problem, that's all fine and dandy but you must apply it equally to both sides.

And the problem with THAT is you still end up with two groups of "Palestinians" -- the Jewish people and the Arab Muslim people. (Well, unless you want to go back far enough that it was JUST the Jewish people but I assume you don't want to go that far back). And both those groups of "Palestinians" have rights to self-determination and sovereignty over the territory. And part of sovereignty is permitting immigration, or not.

You simply can not require rights for one group while denying them to the other.

Just go back to 1099 and you see that there were no arab muslims extant in Palestine. Then you see that the Jews have existed on the land uninterrupted for over 4,500 years, followed by the Roman Christians with under 2,000 years and finally the arab muslims who existed for just 22 years as sovereign owners of the land. The historical evidence proves that the arab muslims flooded Palestine in the years between 1920 and 1967 as there is no way a third world nation could manage a population increase better than that of a civilised nation with full health benefits and aftercare. According to team Palestine every female between the ages of 12 and 50 gave birth to triplets every year and not one person died of any causes during that period.


You forget these are Nazi's we are dealing with and they can refuse certain groups their rights as they hate them with a vengance

Why do you keep blabbering on about religion? This is not a religious conflict It is about foreign colonialism in Palestine.

Very naive statement. Why does every intifada always start with some kind of provocation having to do with the al-Aksa Mosque, or whatever it's called, on the Temple Mount? I was in Israel, and the Arabs complain on TV talk-shows that Jews shouldn't go on the Temple Mount. Intifadas don't start because of check-points. Everything in the Middle East has to do with religion.

 

[Hollie]

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That's a sword which cuts both ways though. If you want to say that the only "legitimate Palestinians" are those who lived in the territory prior to 1923, or 1900 or 1850 or 1782 or 200 BCE or whatever number you want to assign to the problem, that's all fine and dandy but you must apply it equally to both sides.

And the problem with THAT is you still end up with two groups of "Palestinians" -- the Jewish people and the Arab Muslim people. (Well, unless you want to go back far enough that it was JUST the Jewish people but I assume you don't want to go that far back). And both those groups of "Palestinians" have rights to self-determination and sovereignty over the territory. And part of sovereignty is permitting immigration, or not.

You simply can not require rights for one group while denying them to the other.

Just go back to 1099 and you see that there were no arab muslims extant in Palestine. Then you see that the Jews have existed on the land uninterrupted for over 4,500 years, followed by the Roman Christians with under 2,000 years and finally the arab muslims who existed for just 22 years as sovereign owners of the land. The historical evidence proves that the arab muslims flooded Palestine in the years between 1920 and 1967 as there is no way a third world nation could manage a population increase better than that of a civilised nation with full health benefits and aftercare. According to team Palestine every female between the ages of 12 and 50 gave birth to triplets every year and not one person died of any causes during that period.


You forget these are Nazi's we are dealing with and they can refuse certain groups their rights as they hate them with a vengance

Why do you keep blabbering on about religion? This is not a religious conflict It is about foreign colonialism in Palestine.

Nonsense. Obviously, you're hoping to sidestep the fact that so many of the islamic terrorist franchises occupying the disputed territories use "Islamic" and / or "gee-had" in the surnames of their murderous boys clubs.

You may hope to ignore the fact that Islamic terrorism is tied directy to Islamic ideology but others are able to be honest about the root cause of Islamic terrorism.

You might even take a moment to review the Hamas Charter. You will find it makes appeals to several concepts that are central to muhammedan ideology: waqf and insensate Jew hating.

 

[Phoenall]

So you are saying that Palestine did not belong to the Palestinian citizens? Sovereignty belongs to the Palestinians as UN resolutions affirm.

(Well, "belong" is not the right word but...)

ALL the citizens -- not just the Arab Muslim citizens. There were (are) TWO groups of citizens living in the territory attempting to achieve some sort of self-determination. The right to sovereignty belongs to both groups of "Palestinians".

And the LoN way back in 1923 separated Palestine into two separate entities, which they called arab muslim Palestine and Jewish Palestine. The largest portion was for all the arab muslims that could not live in peace with the other occupants and was named trans Jordan. This left just 28% of the original Palestine for the Jewish National home. This means that the Jews have a prior and greater claim to sovereignty over that 28% and the arab muslims a greater claim over the other 72%

 

[José]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung432
Very naive statement. Why does every intifada always start with some kind of provocation having to do with the al-Aksa Mosque, or whatever it's called, on the Temple Mount? I was in Israel, and the Arabs complain on TV talk-shows that Jews shouldn't go on the Temple Mount. Intifadas don't start because of check-points. Everything in the Middle East has to do with religion.

If the conflict is not about the right to live in Lydda, Ashkelon, Haifa, etc, what are you waiting to tear down the wall, remove the barbed wire fences, the minefields, the machine gun nests?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I have always claim that the "right to self-determination" is the same for all peoples. There is no authority that gives the Arab Palestinians the right to usurp Israeli territory.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, this is nonsense.

• This argument is merely subterfuge that attempts to suggest that the territory under the mandate was already a states under Arab sovereignty; which it was not.​

​

You are going back to Israeli propaganda talking points. Palestinians have the right to sovereignty as UN resolutions have affirmed. The exercise of their right has been violated by occupation. That does not negate their rights.

(COMMENT)

Yes, the ArabPalestinians have the right to self-determination. No one has argued against that. But the Arab Palestinian right does not preempt the same right to self-determination that any other peoples have; including that of the Jewish People. The Arab Palestinians do not have a superior claim to that of the Jewish Citizens of the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine.

The Arab Palestinians rights cannot interfere with the Jewish rights.

If this case, the territorial dispute depends on significant facts that occurred, or a treaty concluded, nearly a century ago. The doctrine of inter-temporal law ["lex retro non agit" (law does not work backward)] has become well-established: “in such cases the situation in question must be appraised, and the treaty interpreted, in the light of the rules of international law as they existed at that time, and not as they exist today.”

The ArabPalestinians cannot exert the right of self-determination from the outside inward. That is to say, the people called Arab-Palestinians, who are physically resident outside the exclusive jurisdiction of Israel, cannot claim the right of self-determination to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Yes, the ArabPalestinians have the right to self-determination. No one has argued against that.​

Bullcrap, you always do. You always claim that colonial settlers have superior rights than the native population. Whenever I ask you to prove your point, you dance around the Issue.

(COMMENT)

That was never danced around. The Israelis declared independence BEFORE the Arab Palestinians over the territory that was recommended by the UN.

What I have said, is that people like you cannot apply 21st Century Law or Concepts (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 61/295 13 September 2007 United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples)(DRIPS) to processes decided in the 20th Century --- inter-temporal law ["lex retro non agit" (law does not work backward)] . It is NOT applicable.

Most Respectfully,
R

That was never danced around. The Israelis declared independence BEFORE the Arab Palestinians over the territory that was recommended by the UN.​

You are shoveling crap. The UN had no authority to give Palestinian land to anybody. Remember, "recommended" did not happen. Resolution 181 was never implemented. The Palestinians refused to cede their land. Case closed.

When did it become their land then, as prior to 1917 it was Ottoman land and post 1917 it was LoN land. The arab muslim Palestinians had never owned that land, in fact they lost all rights to it when the Ottomans lost the war.

produce the international treaty made between 1917 and 1948 that ceded the land to the arab muslims. And it must state nation of Palestine and Islamic ?

 

[Phoenall]

You are shoveling crap. The UN had no authority to give Palestinian land to anybody. Remember, "recommended" did not happen. Resolution 181 was never implemented. The Palestinians refused to cede their land. Case closed.

Oh, give me a break. If that were true, then Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are not States either.

This is what he cant understand as they were created the same way that Israel was created, so if Isreal does not exist then neither do any of these Islamic nations.

 

[Phoenall]

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That's a sword which cuts both ways though. If you want to say that the only "legitimate Palestinians" are those who lived in the territory prior to 1923, or 1900 or 1850 or 1782 or 200 BCE or whatever number you want to assign to the problem, that's all fine and dandy but you must apply it equally to both sides.

And the problem with THAT is you still end up with two groups of "Palestinians" -- the Jewish people and the Arab Muslim people. (Well, unless you want to go back far enough that it was JUST the Jewish people but I assume you don't want to go that far back). And both those groups of "Palestinians" have rights to self-determination and sovereignty over the territory. And part of sovereignty is permitting immigration, or not.

You simply can not require rights for one group while denying them to the other.

Just go back to 1099 and you see that there were no arab muslims extant in Palestine. Then you see that the Jews have existed on the land uninterrupted for over 4,500 years, followed by the Roman Christians with under 2,000 years and finally the arab muslims who existed for just 22 years as sovereign owners of the land. The historical evidence proves that the arab muslims flooded Palestine in the years between 1920 and 1967 as there is no way a third world nation could manage a population increase better than that of a civilised nation with full health benefits and aftercare. According to team Palestine every female between the ages of 12 and 50 gave birth to triplets every year and not one person died of any causes during that period.


You forget these are Nazi's we are dealing with and they can refuse certain groups their rights as they hate them with a vengance

Why do you keep blabbering on about religion? This is not a religious conflict It is about foreign colonialism in Palestine.

It has everything to do with religion, and the foreign colonists are the arab muslims who had no rights to be there. The Jews were invited by the lands legal sovereign owners to migrate and settle on the land. The arab muslims were not, and still they came illegally.


Now explain again how in 1917 the arab muslims in Palestine hade a 1% population growth, then in 1918 it has increased to 20%

 

[Phoenall]

You are shoveling crap. The UN had no authority to give Palestinian land to anybody. Remember, "recommended" did not happen. Resolution 181 was never implemented. The Palestinians refused to cede their land. Case closed.

And furthermore, the "Palestinians" did not cede their land to anyone. One group of "Palestinians" achieved sovereignty. And one group is still failing to achieve sovereignty.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That is right so the arab muslims are not Palestinians then are they. But the Jews are as they were invited to migrate and settle.

On this subject who invited you to migrate to the USA ?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You are shoveling crap. The UN had no authority to give Palestinian land to anybody. Remember, "recommended" did not happen. Resolution 181 was never implemented. The Palestinians refused to cede their land. Case closed.

And furthermore, the "Palestinians" did not cede their land to anyone. One group of "Palestinians" achieved sovereignty. And one group is still failing to achieve sovereignty.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

That is right so the arab muslims are not Palestinians then are they. But the Jews are as they were invited to migrate and settle.

On this subject who invited you to migrate to the USA ?

Well, Tinmore's grandparents migrated to America, but it's not like Tinmore's family had been in America since the 1700's. And even in the 1700's, the Native Americans were there first.

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Let's no be too hard on our friend P F Tinmore. In most cases he is acting out of misguided loyalties to the Hostiles that were belligerent obstructionist in the first decade of the 20th Century, and blossomed into one of the most terrible and longstanding anti-peace protagonist to emerge at the center of the protracted theme since the time Hypatia of Alexandria faced religious zealots in the Agora of Alexandria.Just as Hypatia's death marked the beginning of the end for Alexandria as the center of scholastic achievement.

The Arab Palestinians have not made the difficult choices and key decisions that would have advanced their society and culture; and should be experiencing the consequences of those poor decisions.

On this subject who invited you to migrate to the USA ?

(COMMENT)

These flights of fancy, where the Arab Palestinians think that they are above the normal stages of progression that the great sovereignties like China, India, most of Africa and certainly Europe had experienced. The Arab Palestinians pull this term "rights" and the theory that the world owes them something special because they have these "rights."

The Hostile Arab Palestinians are so deep into the belief that these rights somehow are unique to them, and supercede that rights of all others, that they have special entitlements. Trying to lay some measure of logic to their position and debate the issues is simply out of the question.

Much of what the HoAP attempt to lay down as a basis for their convictions is much like trying to assign some deeper meaning to the Lyrics of "I am the Walrus." (1967)

I am the eggman,
.........................they are the eggmen
.......................................................I am the walrus,
goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo gooooooooooo jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
​

You just cannot get their from here! (That is --- not without some mind and conscious altering substance.)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Phoenall, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Let's no be too hard on our friend P F Tinmore. In most cases he is acting out of misguided loyalties to the Hostiles that were belligerent obstructionist in the first decade of the 20th Century, and blossomed into one of the most terrible and longstanding anti-peace protagonist to emerge at the center of the protracted theme since the time Hypatia of Alexandria faced religious zealots in the Agora of Alexandria.Just as Hypatia's death marked the beginning of the end for Alexandria as the center of scholastic achievement.

The Arab Palestinians have not made the difficult choices and key decisions that would have advanced their society and culture; and should be experiencing the consequences of those poor decisions.

On this subject who invited you to migrate to the USA ?

(COMMENT)

These flights of fancy, where the Arab Palestinians think that they are above the normal stages of progression that the great sovereignties like China, India, most of Africa and certainly Europe had experienced. The Arab Palestinians pull this term "rights" and the theory that the world owes them something special because they have these "rights."

The Hostile Arab Palestinians are so deep into the belief that these rights somehow are unique to them, and supercede that rights of all others, that they have special entitlements. Trying to lay some measure of logic to their position and debate the issues is simply out of the question.

Much of what the HoAP attempt to lay down as a basis for their convictions is much like trying to assign some deeper meaning to the Lyrics of "I am the Walrus." (1967)

I am the eggman,
.........................they are the eggmen
.......................................................I am the walrus,
goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo gooooooooooo jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
​

You just cannot get their from here! (That is --- not without some mind and conscious altering substance.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Denigrate the natives.

Standard colonialist propaganda ploy.

 

[Phoenall]

Phoenall, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Let's no be too hard on our friend P F Tinmore. In most cases he is acting out of misguided loyalties to the Hostiles that were belligerent obstructionist in the first decade of the 20th Century, and blossomed into one of the most terrible and longstanding anti-peace protagonist to emerge at the center of the protracted theme since the time Hypatia of Alexandria faced religious zealots in the Agora of Alexandria.Just as Hypatia's death marked the beginning of the end for Alexandria as the center of scholastic achievement.

The Arab Palestinians have not made the difficult choices and key decisions that would have advanced their society and culture; and should be experiencing the consequences of those poor decisions.

On this subject who invited you to migrate to the USA ?

(COMMENT)

These flights of fancy, where the Arab Palestinians think that they are above the normal stages of progression that the great sovereignties like China, India, most of Africa and certainly Europe had experienced. The Arab Palestinians pull this term "rights" and the theory that the world owes them something special because they have these "rights."

The Hostile Arab Palestinians are so deep into the belief that these rights somehow are unique to them, and supercede that rights of all others, that they have special entitlements. Trying to lay some measure of logic to their position and debate the issues is simply out of the question.

Much of what the HoAP attempt to lay down as a basis for their convictions is much like trying to assign some deeper meaning to the Lyrics of "I am the Walrus." (1967)

I am the eggman,
.........................they are the eggmen
.......................................................I am the walrus,
goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo goo g' joob goo goo g' joob
Goo gooooooooooo jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
Jooba jooba
​

You just cannot get their from here! (That is --- not without some mind and conscious altering substance.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Denigrate the natives.

Standard colonialist propaganda ploy.

The natives happened to be Jewish and Christian as well, so why has the largest body done the least out of all 3 when it had such a promising start ?

 

[Shusha]

The Arab Palestinians pull this term "rights" and the theory that the world owes them something special because they have these "rights."

The Hostile Arab Palestinians are so deep into the belief that these rights somehow are unique to them, and supercede that rights of all others, that they have special entitlements. Trying to lay some measure of logic to their position and debate the issues is simply out of the question.

I have absolutely no issue with the concept that Palestinists have "rights". Not only do I have no problem with it -- I agree.

The problem is with the hypocrisy of insisting on rights for one group while vehemently denying them for the other. Its a social injustice that I just can't tolerate, akin to supporting the oppression of women, or denying civil rights to people of color, or prohibiting marriage to non-cis, non-hetero people.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, I think you made a mistake here.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Citizenship makes everyone equal.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

The idea of the Arab Palestinian being superior to the Jewish Palestinian given citizenship under the same Citizenship Order, is called something else.

Stop whining and figure out a way to improve the Human Development of the Arab Palestinian people instead of attempting incite and ferment conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck.

BTW, the immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun. That was a violation of their rights.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers generally were concerned about the "civil" and "religious."

• Where (in 1922 International Law) were the "Human Rights define and binding?
• At the end of the Great War (WWI), what entity held the rights and title to the entire Middel East Region?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, I think you made a mistake here.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Citizenship makes everyone equal.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

The idea of the Arab Palestinian being superior to the Jewish Palestinian given citizenship under the same Citizenship Order, is called something else.

Stop whining and figure out a way to improve the Human Development of the Arab Palestinian people instead of attempting incite and ferment conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck.

BTW, the immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun. That was a violation of their rights.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers generally were concerned about the "civil" and "religious."

• Where (in 1922 International Law) were the "Human Rights define and binding?
• At the end of the Great War (WWI), what entity held the rights and title to the entire Middel East Region?

Rights are inherent. They are not handed out by people in power. If that was the case, nobody would have any.

The UN says that the Palestinians have the standard list of rights. They also say that these rights predate their resolutions.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians get their rights if they did not have them from the get go?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, I think you made a mistake here.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Citizenship makes everyone equal.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

The idea of the Arab Palestinian being superior to the Jewish Palestinian given citizenship under the same Citizenship Order, is called something else.

Stop whining and figure out a way to improve the Human Development of the Arab Palestinian people instead of attempting incite and ferment conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck.

BTW, the immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun. That was a violation of their rights.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers generally were concerned about the "civil" and "religious."

• Where (in 1922 International Law) were the "Human Rights define and binding?
• At the end of the Great War (WWI), what entity held the rights and title to the entire Middel East Region?

Rights are inherent. They are not handed out by people in power. If that was the case, nobody would have any.

The UN says that the Palestinians have the standard list of rights. They also say that these rights predate their resolutions.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians get their rights if they did not have them from the get go?

(COMMENT)

In 1922, the rights that were protected were those as stipulated in the Mandate was explicit to cite.

TWO POINTS:

Surely, the Arab Palestinian did not have inherent rights under the Sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Sultan was the absolute ruler of the territory and the dominion at large. Nor was there such a thing as "inherent rights" within the Empires of China and Japan. When did man and the human community at large accept the idea of "inherent rights?" The notion of inherent rights has a specific starting point for each culture that adopted the notion. Even today, the notion that there are inherent rights is at variance to Sharia and governments within the Islamic community. Does the Grand Ayatollah (Supreme Leader of Iran and Muslim Cleric) have authority to circumvent "inherent rights." And does the Supreme Leader of North Korea have the powers inherent rights?

When did the Islamic World adopt the concept of "inherent rights?" Does the Arab League affirm that "inherent rights" are above that of Islamic Law?
​

Like I said before, the Arab Palestinian draw that term like a gun. The problem is, that they are effectively using a concept that they as Muslims, do not agree with. Clearly the Sunni and the Shi'ite do not perceive the other in the same light.

No, when the Arab Palestinian comes to accept that a "right" is not a handout, and that it confers no territory or authority, then they will start to understand what it means to "exercise a right."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, I think you made a mistake here.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Citizenship makes everyone equal.

Foreign colonial settlers are not Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

The idea of the Arab Palestinian being superior to the Jewish Palestinian given citizenship under the same Citizenship Order, is called something else.

Stop whining and figure out a way to improve the Human Development of the Arab Palestinian people instead of attempting incite and ferment conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice duck.

BTW, the immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun. That was a violation of their rights.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers generally were concerned about the "civil" and "religious."

• Where (in 1922 International Law) were the "Human Rights define and binding?
• At the end of the Great War (WWI), what entity held the rights and title to the entire Middel East Region?

Rights are inherent. They are not handed out by people in power. If that was the case, nobody would have any.

The UN says that the Palestinians have the standard list of rights. They also say that these rights predate their resolutions.

At what point in time and under what circumstances did the Palestinians get their rights if they did not have them from the get go?

(COMMENT)

In 1922, the rights that were protected were those as stipulated in the Mandate was explicit to cite.

TWO POINTS:

Surely, the Arab Palestinian did not have inherent rights under the Sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Sultan was the absolute ruler of the territory and the dominion at large. Nor was there such a thing as "inherent rights" within the Empires of China and Japan. When did man and the human community at large accept the idea of "inherent rights?" The notion of inherent rights has a specific starting point for each culture that adopted the notion. Even today, the notion that there are inherent rights is at variance to Sharia and governments within the Islamic community. Does the Grand Ayatollah (Supreme Leader of Iran and Muslim Cleric) have authority to circumvent "inherent rights." And does the Supreme Leader of North Korea have the powers inherent rights?

When did the Islamic World adopt the concept of "inherent rights?" Does the Arab League affirm that "inherent rights" are above that of Islamic Law?
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Like I said before, the Arab Palestinian draw that term like a gun. The problem is, that they are effectively using a concept that they as Muslims, do not agree with. Clearly the Sunni and the Shi'ite do not perceive the other in the same light.

No, when the Arab Palestinian comes to accept that a "right" is not a handout, and that it confers no territory or authority, then they will start to understand what it means to "exercise a right."

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course that ducks the question.