City Digs Up Remains Of Confederate General After Taking Down Statue

[Batcat]

You dont hate them but you would have taken up arms to kill them. Like I said you're one confused cat.

As a soldier you go where you are told and do what you are ordered to do (as long as the orders are legal). I was never ordered to “hate” my enemy. The person you may end up killing may be a lot like you. He may also have joined the military and went where he was sent and was doing what he was ordered.

(I personally was fortunate enough to never be in combat, so I never killed anyone. However the planes I worked while in the Air Force were responsible for the death of many Vietnamese soldiers and saved the lives of many of our soldiers.)

Wars are not normally started by the citizens of a nation but by their leaders. In our case often our leaders seen to want to start wars to profit the military industrial complex.

Pentagon fights wars to please military industrial complex

September 11, 2020 In his press conference on Sept 7, President Donald Trump – the commander-in-chief of the US forces – laid bare what none of his predecessors did; in unequivocal terms, Trump called out the

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You seem to have quite a fixation on hating some people.

What does the Bible say about hate? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about hate? Is it ever right to hate? How can I avoid being labeled a hater?

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[Batcat]

For which he went to jail and did his time. He still shouldn't have been murdered by police.



So by your logic, the Holocaust was okay, because it was legal and acceptable at the time.

The Holocaust was not legal world wide. Germans who were involved in the Holocaust were hunted down and put on trial.

Rich people are fucking evil.

Some are. Some are not.

Um, not sure what your point is.

THe French helped us and the Germans were hired as mercenaries to fight on the side of the British. However one German helped train our forces.
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[Curried Goats]

As a soldier you go where you are told and do what you are ordered to do (as long as the orders are legal). I was never ordered to “hate” my enemy. The person you may end up killing may be a lot like you. He may also have joined the military and went where he was sent and was doing what he was ordered.

(I personally was fortunate enough to never be in combat, so I never killed anyone. However the planes I worked while in the Air Force were responsible for the death of many Vietnamese soldiers and saved the lives of many of our soldiers.)

Wars are not normally started by the citizens of a nation but by their leaders. In our case often our leaders seen to want to start wars to profit the military industrial complex.

Pentagon fights wars to please military industrial complex

September 11, 2020 In his press conference on Sept 7, President Donald Trump – the commander-in-chief of the US forces – laid bare what none of his predecessors did; in unequivocal terms, Trump called out the

www.afghanstudiescenter.org

You seem to have quite a fixation on hating some people.

What does the Bible say about hate? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about hate? Is it ever right to hate? How can I avoid being labeled a hater?

www.gotquestions.org

Your story keeps changing as you keep backpedaling trying to make this ridiculously incongruent argument work. You said previously that you would of volunteered to go to war against slavers not that you would of just followed orders. So to sum up your confused statements you would of volunteered to kill slavers in war but then take issue with me saying I hate them. Then you would of honored the men who you went to war to kill and who killed your fellow soldiers with statues and equate the people who want to replace those statues with the Taliban. What would really round out this hilarious argument is if you then answered whether or not you would support statues to Taliban like statue destroyers. So how about it? Since you'd support statues for slavers how about statues for BLM protesters who fought in riots to topple those statues? Do you support statues for them too?

 

[Batcat]

Your story keeps changing as you keep backpedaling trying to make this ridiculously incongruent argument work. You said previously that you would have volunteered to go to war against slavers not that you would have just followed orders. So to sum up your confused statements you would have volunteered to kill slavers in war but then take issue with me saying I hate them. Then you would have honored the men who you went to war to kill and who killed your fellow soldiers with statues and equate the people who want to replace those statues with the Taliban. What would really round out this hilarious argument is if you then answered whether or not you would support statues to Taliban like statue destroyers. So how about it? Since you'd support statues for slavers how about statues for BLM protesters who fought in riots to topple those statues? Do you support statues for them too?

I volunteered to join the Air Force during the Vietnam war. Once in the Air Force I followed orders. If I had been sent to Vietnam, issued a rifle and told to fight the enemy, I would have followed orders. I might have killed an enemy or several enemies. That doesn’t mean that I must automatically hate the enemy I am fighting. However, it is possible after being in combat I might hate the enemy after seeing how he acted.

In most cases we do not see statues of foreign enemies in our nation. I can’t think of one offhand but they may exist. The Civil War statues were of people who were Americans. Many had fought for our nation in the Mexican-American War.

The object after the Civil War was to reunite the nation and bury the hatchet. It obviously succeeded until just recently when the Democrats and Obama decided to split this nation along racial lines. If it had failed the Dukes of Hazzard would not have been a popular TV program.

The Dukes of Hazzard Had More Black Characters Than Friends and Seinfeld

The backlash against the Confederate flag has claimed a beloved television icon, but episode-for-episode, The Dukes of Hazzard was blacker than two of the biggest shows the North has ever produced.

thedailybanter.com

Democrat strategy of dividing the country along racial lines will backfire

What Democrats miscalculate is that African-Americans are better aware of how their situations have improved under Trump, when they didn’t under Obama.

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The Democrats may well succeed in breaking this nation apart because a nation divided can not stand. If that happens, expect to eventually fall under Chinese rule. Be aware the Chinese are not fond of human rights.

I have stated many times on the forum that I support peaceful demonstrations but not riots. I did not support the Jan 6th riot (but I do not consider it to have been an insurrection). Therefore I have do interest in seeing statutes erected for BLM and Antifa rioters.

In my opinion MLK deserved a statue because he was for peaceful protests and was able to make significant change with his peaceful demonstrations. I have a lot of admiration for MLK.

 

[Curried Goats]

I volunteered to join the Air Force during the Vietnam war. Once in the Air Force I followed orders. If I had been sent to Vietnam, issued a rifle and told to fight the enemy, I would have followed orders. I might have killed an enemy or several enemies. That doesn’t mean that I must automatically hate the enemy I am fighting. However, it is possible after being in combat I might hate the enemy after seeing how he acted.

But you wouldn't hate a bunch of slavers who raped, whipped, worked to death and tore families apart. Those sort of actions don't rise to the level of hate within you.

In most cases we do not see statues of foreign enemies in our nation. I can’t think of one offhand but they may exist. The Civil War statues were of people who were Americans. Many had fought for our nation in the Mexican-American War.

They left America and then killed Americans in support of slavery.

The object after the Civil War was to reunite the nation and bury the hatchet. It obviously succeeded until just recently when the Democrats and Obama decided to split this nation along racial lines. If it had failed the Dukes of Hazzard would not have been a popular TV program.

Exactly. It wasn't about treating black people with dignity and respect because they went right along after the war and created an apartheid state. It worked fine as long as whites could continue to abuse and ignore the lives and dignity of black people.

The Democrats may well succeed in breaking this nation apart because a nation divided can not stand. If that happens, expect to eventually fall under Chinese rule. Be aware the Chinese are not fond of human rights.

How stupid are you? Seriously.

I have stated many times on the forum that I support peaceful demonstrations but not riots. I did not support the Jan 6th riot (but I do not consider it to have been an insurrection). Therefore I have do interest in seeing statutes erected for BLM and Antifa rioters.

But you are interested in statues to slavers. Im not trying to convince you my guy, I'm allowing you the space to repeat your deplorable beliefs. That's how we beat you. We just let you assclowns speak and you fail to understand how much of a mutant you sound like to normal, decent folk.

In my opinion MLK deserved a statue because he was for peaceful protests and was able to make significant change with his peaceful demonstrations. I have a lot of admiration for MLK.

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But slavers who went to war against America having statues is okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[JoeB131]

The Holocaust was not legal world wide. Germans who were involved in the Holocaust were hunted down and put on trial.

At the time of the Civil War, most of the world had banned slavery, as had half of the US.

Some are. Some are not.

Nope. Plutocracy is evil. The fact that we let children go to bed hungry at night, and don't want to make the rich pay their fair share, is just fucking evil. Future generations will look back at us and wonder why we allowed this to happen.

THe French helped us and the Germans were hired as mercenaries to fight on the side of the British. However one German helped train our forces.

Uh, still not sure what your point is here... A lot of Europeans saw the US revolution as a way to screw Britain, or just to fight because there were no wars going on in Europe at the time.

 

[Batcat]

At the time of the Civil War, most of the world had banned slavery, as had half of the US.

But not at the time of the American Revolution.

How did slavery change after the American revolution?

The American Revolution achieved the United States’ independence from Britain; American Revolution effectively put slavery on extinction.

historyten.com

Nope. Plutocracy is evil. The fact that we let children go to bed hungry at night, and don't want to make the rich pay their fair share, is just fucking evil. Future generations will look back at us and wonder why we allowed this to happen.

The dream of the United States is that any man can become successful and that implies being wealthy. This is not a Marxist socialist nation. If America so terrible why are millions of illegal aliens crossing our Mexican border right now. They see our nation as a land of opportunity and it is .

Uh, still not sure what your point is here... A lot of Europeans saw the US revolution as a way to screw Britain, or just to fight because there were no wars going on in Europe at the time.

Why the American Revolution Matters - The American Revolution Institute

The American Revolution was the central event in our history. Read about the four achievements of the Revolution that have shaped our national experience.

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[JoeB131]

But not at the time of the American Revolution.

At the time of the American revolution, it was already been abolished in Europe.

Come on, man, there was never a point where the Founding Slave Rapists didn't know that slavery was wrong.

The dream of the United States is that any man can become successful and that implies being wealthy. This is not a Marxist socialist nation. If America so terrible why are millions of illegal aliens crossing our Mexican border right now. They see our nation as a land of opportunity and it is .

So, um, we are slightly better than a third world country and easier to get into? This is your argument for greatness?

The American "Revolution" was the planter-class seizing power. More people would have been better off if the British had won and were were just part of "Greater Canada".

We'd have abolished slavery without a fight and we'd have socialized medicine now.

 

[Batcat]

At the time of the American revolution, it was already been abolished in Europe.

Come on, man, there was never a point where the Founding Slave Rapists didn't know that slavery was wrong.



So, um, we are slightly better than a third world country and easier to get into? This is your argument for greatness?

The American "Revolution" was the planter-class seizing power. More people would have been better off if the British had won and were were just part of "Greater Canada".

We'd have abolished slavery without a fight and we'd have socialized medicine now.

There were not a lot of cotton plantations in Europe nor sugar plantations where slaves were used as laborers. However European nations were engaged in the slave trade during the American Revolution.

The American Revolution occurred between 1775 to 1783.

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia

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On 22 February 1807, the House of Commons passed a motion 283 votes to 16 to abolish the Atlantic slave trade. Hence, the slave trade was abolished, but not the still-economically viable institution of slavery itself, which provided Britain's most lucrative import at the time, sugar. Abolitionists did not move against sugar and slavery itself until after the sugar industry went into terminal decline after 1823.

The United States passed its own Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves the next week (March 2, 1807), although probably without mutual consultation. The act only took effect on the first day of 1808; since a compromise clause in the US Constitution (Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1) prohibited federal, although not state, restrictions on the slave trade before 1808. The United States did not, however, abolish its internal slave trade, which became the dominant mode of US slave trading until the 1860s.[199] In 1805 the British Order-in-Council had restricted the importation of slaves into colonies that had been captured from France and the Netherlands.[190] Britain continued to press other nations to end its trade; in 1810 an Anglo-Portuguese treaty was signed whereby Portugal agreed to restrict its trade into its colonies; an 1813 Anglo-Swedish treatywhereby Sweden outlawed its slave trade; the Treaty of Paris 1814 where France agreed with Britain that the trade is "repugnant to the principles of natural justice" and agreed to abolish the slave trade in five years; the 1814 Anglo-Dutch treaty where the Dutch outlawed its slave trade.[190]

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, however Europe was not part of the US and violently attacking US troops. They are irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Batcat]

Yes, however Europe was not part of the US and violently attacking US troops. They are irrelevant to the topic.

The French helped the United States during the revolution. Germans were hired by Britain as mercenaries and did attack our forces.

5 Ways the French Helped Win the American Revolution | HISTORY

The Marquis de Lafayette was only the beginning.

www.history.com

German Mercenaries | Encyclopedia.com

GERMAN MERCENARIESGERMAN MERCENARIES were troops hired to fight the rebellious American colonies. Given England's shortage of trained soldiers, its slow enlistments, and the political impossibility of conscription, the ministry tapped the cooperation of six German princes for the services of...

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[Zincwarrior]

The French helped the United States during the revolution. Germans were hired by Britain as mercenaries and did attack our forces.

5 Ways the French Helped Win the American Revolution | HISTORY

The Marquis de Lafayette was only the beginning.

www.history.com

German Mercenaries | Encyclopedia.com

GERMAN MERCENARIESGERMAN MERCENARIES were troops hired to fight the rebellious American colonies. Given England's shortage of trained soldiers, its slow enlistments, and the political impossibility of conscription, the ministry tapped the cooperation of six German princes for the services of...

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True. Thats not relevant to CSA statues though, except we don't have any statues to Hessian troops here...

 

[JoeB131]

There were not a lot of cotton plantations in Europe nor sugar plantations where slaves were used as laborers. However European nations were engaged in the slave trade during the American Revolution.

Yes, they were, but there was opposition and it was hotly debated because PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS WRONG.

So Washington and Jefferson don't get a pass on their abuse of enslaved people. Should we tear down their statues? Nope. Should we put a big old asterisk next to their names, YUP!

But the Confederate leaders. Tear down all their statues and blacken (no pun intended) their names in the history books.

 

[Batcat]

Yes, they were, but there was opposition and it was hotly debated because PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS WRONG.

So Washington and Jefferson don't get a pass on their abuse of enslaved people. Should we tear down their statues? Nope. Should we put a big old asterisk next to their names, YUP!

But the Confederate leaders. Tear down all their statues and blacken (no pun intended) their names in the history books.

Exactly what good will that accomplish? Will it stop the possible break up of our nation? No, if anything it will make the break up even more possible.

Do you go around kicking sleeping dogs for kicks and grins? I want this nation to stay intact. Democrats are pushing racism so hard hyou would think we still had slaves on cotton plantations.

Opinion | A Surprising Share of Americans Wants to Break Up the Country. Here’s Why They’re Wrong.

The deleterious effects of a breakup would be enormous. A disaggregated United States would be instantly less powerful.

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[bigrebnc1775]

City Digs Up Remains Of Confederate General After Taking Down Statue​

City Digs Up Remains Of Confederate General After Taking Down Statue | The Daily Wire

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13 Dec 2022 ~~ By Leif Le Mahieu

The city of Richmond, Virginia, has dug up the remains of Confederate General A.P. Hill as it continues to purge Confe~Snip~!derate symbols and monuments from public spaces.
The remains of Hill, which had been buried under a monument to the general, were located on Tuesday after two days of digging. The casket of Hill, who was reportedly buried standing up, was rotted away when workers finally found the remains using an excavator.
According to local reporter Riley Wyant, the remains of Hill were blocked from public view using a tarp before they were transferred into a body bag and wheeled away on a stretcher. The remains were transferred to the general’s relatives, including John Hill, the general’s closest indirect descendent.

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The removal of the statue and remains comes after a legal battle between the city and descendants of Hill, which was complicated by the monument’s usage as a headstone. The move was hailed by Democratic Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, but decried by Hill’s relatives.
“Over two years ago, Richmond was home to more Confederate statues than any city in the United States. Collectively, we have closed that chapter,” Stoney tweeted. “We now continue the work of being a more inclusive and welcoming place where ALL belong.”

Commentary:
Even though I disagree with the confederacy, I also disagree with removing anything related to the confederacy. I say keep them as a reminder of history.
The ghoulish removal of the remains of soldiers that fought in te Civil War on either side is wrong.
Erasing our history, culture and traditions one statue and body at a time.
Maoist Racist Democrats have become the American Taliban.

Where all belong? Interesting

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, they were, but there was opposition and it was hotly debated because PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS WRONG.

So Washington and Jefferson don't get a pass on their abuse of enslaved people. Should we tear down their statues? Nope. Should we put a big old asterisk next to their names, YUP!

But the Confederate leaders. Tear down all their statues and blacken (no pun intended) their names in the history books.

And history will always have an asterix near you fascists

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly what good will that accomplish? Will it stop the possible break up of our nation? No, if anything it will make the break up even more possible.

Do you go around kicking sleeping dogs for kicks and grins? I want this nation to stay intact. Democrats are pushing racism so hard hyou would think we still had slaves on cotton plantations.

You rednecks in your double wides aren't going to break up the country.
The reality is, your corporate masters have decided this culture war bullshit they started to get you to vote against your own economic interests has probably gone too far.

 

[Batcat]

You rednecks in your double wides aren't going to break up the country.
The reality is, your corporate masters have decided this culture war bullshit they started to get you to vote against your own economic interests has probably gone too far.

Our economic interests do not lie with Marxist socialism. People who believe in that system of government have a victim mentality.

I don’t Have a victim mentality.

I am far from rich but I retired just before I turned 60 and have never worked a day since In 16 years. I don’t live on a budget but have everything I want or need. Our form of cuddly capitalism has worked well for me.

 

[JoeB131]

Our economic interests do not lie with Marxist socialism. People who believe in that system of government have a victim mentality.

I don’t Have a victim mentality.

I am far from rich but I retired just before I turned 60 and have never worked a day since In 16 years. I don’t live on a budget but have everything I want or need. Our form of cuddly capitalism has worked well for me.

I'm happy for you.
Most people Capitalism is a shit sandwich.
And it would be worse if we didn't have "white people" socialism like Social Security, Medicare, Veteran's Benefits, unemployment insurance, etc.

Somehow, I suspect you've taken more than a few dimes from the government.

 

[Quasar44]

F leftist insects of humanity