Christians in the Holy Land

[amity1844]

Let's see what I can come up with concerning Palestinian Christians.

Christians are historically about 10% of the Palestinian population and belong to a great variety of faiths, from some of the oldest Christian sects in the world to some very modern Protestant faiths. The Palestinian Christians typically identify strongly with Palestinian nationalism and in fact have had an extremely high profile in the Palestinian resistance.

But within recent years the members of these 2000 year old communities have been leaving their homes in great numbers, to the point that there is doubt about whether there will even be a Christian presence in the Holy Land in a few years:

60 Minutes:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5p8mZ-HN-0]Christians of the Holy Land - YouTube[/ame]

The Stones Cry Out. This is the trailer for a full length film I would love to see in its entirety.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyuujIgIZE]TRAILER: THE STONES CRY OUT - THE STORY OF THE PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS - YouTube[/ame]

Interview with professor at Bethlehem University:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-M7HPrS8g]Christians of the Holy Land - Why Palestinian Christians are Leaving, with Bernard Sabella - YouTube[/ame]

Attacks on Palestinian Christians:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWbJCT6Ns9Y]Attacks on Palestinian Christians during the Holy Week of 2013 - YouTube[/ame]

Christians harassed by Israel:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXnyM7giac]Christians Harassed By Israel ~ Zionists Against Churches - YouTube[/ame]

That oughta get our discussion started.

 

[Sally]

Let's see what I can come up with concerning Palestinian Christians.

Christians are historically about 10% of the Palestinian population and belong to a great variety of faiths, from some of the oldest Christian sects in the world to some very modern Protestant faiths. The Palestinian Christians typically identify strongly with Palestinian nationalism and in fact have had an extremely high profile in the Palestinian resistance.

But within recent years the members of these 2000 year old communities have been leaving their homes in great numbers, to the point that there is doubt about whether there will even be a Christian presence in the Holy Land in a few years:

60 Minutes:
Christians of the Holy Land - YouTube

The Stones Cry Out. This is the trailer for a full length film I would love to see in its entirety.
TRAILER: THE STONES CRY OUT - THE STORY OF THE PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS - YouTube

Interview with professor at Bethlehem University:
Christians of the Holy Land - Why Palestinian Christians are Leaving, with Bernard Sabella - YouTube

Attacks on Palestinian Christians:
Attacks on Palestinian Christians during the Holy Week of 2013 - YouTube

Christians harassed by Israel:
Christians Harassed By Israel ~ Zionists Against Churches - YouTube

That oughta get our discussion started.

Yeah, I can just imagine how afraid most of these Christians are to speak out against the Muslims. They see what happens to them in other Muslim countries. In fact, even in Europe the people are afraid to speak out because they worry about what will happen if they do. We saw how the Muslims around the world rioted when the trailer came out about the film of Mohammed.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, that is absurd. Watch the videos, child.

Then we can talk. The subject being institutionalized violence by Israel against Palestinian Christians.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

2014 saw the highest number of Christian Israeli Arabs volunteering for the Israeli Defense Forces.

 

[Sally]

Sally, that is absurd. Watch the videos, child.

Then we can talk. The subject being institutionalized violence by Israel against Palestinian Christians.

Those videos have been posted many times before. Why should I watch them again? Meanwhile, everyone is aware that people are afraid to speak up when they don't want to be harassed or murdered? Why do you think many Muslims hide the fact that they become Christians or Atheists?

 

[amity1844]

They're not afraid to speak up!
They're speaking loud and clear!!!

 

[amity1844]

Here's another film on settlers stoning Christian kids:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ovdA1VZ-c]Jew Settlers Stoning Palestine Christian Children walking to school - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sally]

Here's another film on settlers stoning Christian kids:

Jew Settlers Stoning Palestine Christian Children walking to school - YouTube

You mean, Amity, you don't have any videos of your friends' chyildren stoning young Jewish youths? Bad girl!!! Yes, the children of Amity's friends are such angels. They wouldn't harm a fly. No one expects them to throw stones at young children and even grown-ups. Their parents taught them that you should never throw stones, even at those darn Jews.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, they aren't angels, no one said they were angels, and they don't have to be angels.

They just have to be the indigenous population of Palestine.

And they are.

 

[Sally]

Sally, they aren't angels, no one said they were angels, and they don't have to be angels.

They just have to be the indigenous population of Palestine.

And they are.

They are as indigenous to the land as the Iranians are indigenous to that particular piece of land. The truth happens to be is that they are indigenous to one of the surrounding Middle East countries. Maybe in years to come viewers will see Amity claiming that the Muslims are indigenous to France and that they were the ones who built the Eiffel Tower. One man in one of the Scandanavian countries is even claiming that one of the cities in which he resides is Muslim land. I swear, it isn't enough that the entire Middle East is governed by Muslims; they want it all.

Meanwhile, it is a shame that some baseball scout doesn't go over there and see the pitching arms of some of Amity's friends. He might sign them up for the major leagues.

 

[Indeependent]

Sally, that is absurd. Watch the videos, child.

Then we can talk. The subject being institutionalized violence by Israel against Palestinian Christians.

Have YOU watched the videos?
Somehow, after watching the Pappe, or whatever his name is, video I doubt you watch past the first 5 minutes of any videos you post.

 

[amity1844]

Why do you say that?

 

[amity1844]

Sally, they aren't angels, no one said they were angels, and they don't have to be angels.

They just have to be the indigenous population of Palestine.

And they are.

They are as indigenous to the land as the Iranians are indigenous to that particular piece of land. The truth happens to be is that they are indigenous to one of the surrounding Middle East countries. Maybe in years to come viewers will see Amity claiming that the Muslims are indigenous to France and that they were the ones who built the Eiffel Tower. One man in one of the Scandanavian countries is even claiming that one of the cities in which he resides is Muslim land. I swear, it isn't enough that the entire Middle East is governed by Muslims; they want it all.

Meanwhile, it is a shame that some baseball scout doesn't go over there and see the pitching arms of some of Amity's friends. He might sign them up for the major leagues.

Sally, it has been proven that Palestinians are largely descended from ancient Jews, so therefore Palestinians are as indigenous as Jews are (or maybe slightly more because they have actually been there the entire time).

Go READ the papers and then lmk.

 

[Sally]

Sally, they aren't angels, no one said they were angels, and they don't have to be angels.

They just have to be the indigenous population of Palestine.

And they are.

They are as indigenous to the land as the Iranians are indigenous to that particular piece of land. The truth happens to be is that they are indigenous to one of the surrounding Middle East countries. Maybe in years to come viewers will see Amity claiming that the Muslims are indigenous to France and that they were the ones who built the Eiffel Tower. One man in one of the Scandanavian countries is even claiming that one of the cities in which he resides is Muslim land. I swear, it isn't enough that the entire Middle East is governed by Muslims; they want it all.

Meanwhile, it is a shame that some baseball scout doesn't go over there and see the pitching arms of some of Amity's friends. He might sign them up for the major leagues.

Sally, it has been proven that Palestinians are largely descended from ancient Jews, so therefore Palestinians are as indigenous as Jews are (or maybe slightly more because they have actually been there the entire time).

Go READ the papers and then lmk.

Until you can show us something from a reputable scientific journal read by geneticists all over the world regarding such an earth-shattering finding, all you are doing is blowing hot air over and over in your quest to make the viewers believe that your friends from all over the world should descend in hordes into Israel so that by sheer numbers they will take over the governance of Israel for Islam. You really are not fooling anyone, Amity. By the way, have you had time to contact that Egyptian Official who told the Gazans to come back to Egypt where they belong or are you too busy running around to different forums night and day?

 

[amity1844]

You saw my sources, Sally. Here they are again:

1. Ben-Gurion, David & Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. The Land of Israel in the Past and in the Present. The Yiddish version, New York, 1918.
2. Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. Populations of Our Land. Warsaw: The Labor Committee of "Brit Hanoar" and the World Khaluts Center, 1932.
3. Writings of Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Vol. no. 5 – Population of the Land of Israel – Tel Aviv: Mitspeh Publishing, 1936 (identical contents to source 2).
4. Ben-Gurion, David. An Inquiry into the Origins of the Fellahin. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
5. Belkind, Israel. Arabs in the Land of Israel. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
6. Misinai, Tsvi. The Road Map to the Third Intifada – The roots and solution to the Problem of the Holy Land. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006.
7. Yarden, Elon. A Common Homeland Not a Disputed Territory. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006. (Contains sources 4 and 5 as appendices).
8. Yarden, Elon. Zion in Justice Shall be Redeemed (An Alternative to the Oslo Accords). Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, Tel Aviv, 2002.
9. Misinai, Tsvi. Brother Shall Not Lift Sword Against Brother. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2007. (The book is a shortened version of source 6, written in a popular style).
10. Writings of Ber Borokhov, Volume 1. Kibbuts Meukhad Publishing, 1955.
11. Oral Telling of Samaritan Traditions, Yitskhak Ben Tsvi, A.B. Samaritan News, Volume 370-371, page 8, October 8, 1985.
12. מבנה ציבור בכפר יטא שבדרום הר חברון – יובל ברוך, רשות העתיקות ירושלים – מחקרי יהודה ושומרון תשנ"ט, כרך תשיעי. http://daat.ac.il/daat/israel/yehuda...e-9-baruhl.PDF
13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/6769#FN152
14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf
15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1274378
16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf
17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf
18. Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians Robin McKie, science editor, The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer
19. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin Biology Direct Biology Direct | Full text | The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms
20. Bohm, David. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Routledge, 198


If you CAN READ, read them. If you can't read, get someone to read them to you. And then we'll talk.

 

[Indeependent]

Why do you say that?

Are you kidding me?
Do you have ANY analytical abilities whatsoever?
The problem is that you are way too young to apply logic to anything you research.
In fact, you probably don't even realize that research itself is influences by the agenda of the donors to a University or entity (such as a hospital).

And you have already admitted that you know NOTHING about the Quaran or Moslems.
You CANNOT separate Moslems from their Quaran but you are attempting, rather weakly, to investigate a historical sequence of events from a SECULAR point of view.
You can't.

 

[Sally]

You saw my sources, Sally. Here they are again:

1. Ben-Gurion, David & Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. The Land of Israel in the Past and in the Present. The Yiddish version, New York, 1918.
2. Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. Populations of Our Land. Warsaw: The Labor Committee of "Brit Hanoar" and the World Khaluts Center, 1932.
3. Writings of Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Vol. no. 5 – Population of the Land of Israel – Tel Aviv: Mitspeh Publishing, 1936 (identical contents to source 2).
4. Ben-Gurion, David. An Inquiry into the Origins of the Fellahin. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
5. Belkind, Israel. Arabs in the Land of Israel. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
6. Misinai, Tsvi. The Road Map to the Third Intifada – The roots and solution to the Problem of the Holy Land. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006.
7. Yarden, Elon. A Common Homeland Not a Disputed Territory. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006. (Contains sources 4 and 5 as appendices).
8. Yarden, Elon. Zion in Justice Shall be Redeemed (An Alternative to the Oslo Accords). Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, Tel Aviv, 2002.
9. Misinai, Tsvi. Brother Shall Not Lift Sword Against Brother. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2007. (The book is a shortened version of source 6, written in a popular style).
10. Writings of Ber Borokhov, Volume 1. Kibbuts Meukhad Publishing, 1955.
11. Oral Telling of Samaritan Traditions, Yitskhak Ben Tsvi, A.B. Samaritan News, Volume 370-371, page 8, October 8, 1985.
12. מבנה ציבור בכפר יטא שבדרום הר חברון – יובל ברוך, רשות העתיקות ירושלים – מחקרי יהודה ושומרון תשנ"ט, כרך תשיעי. http://daat.ac.il/daat/israel/yehuda...e-9-baruhl.PDF
13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf
15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1274378
16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf
17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf
18. Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians Robin McKie, science editor, The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer
19. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin Biology Direct Biology Direct | Full text | The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms
20. Bohm, David. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Routledge, 198


If you CAN READ, read them. If you can't read, get someone to read them to you. And then we'll talk.

The funny thing, Amity, many times here I thought that you have taken an ESL course because I have noticed that your grammer was bad plus I have seen you pick up words that others have used previously, words that you probably have never used before in your normal vocabulary. I am not going to waste my time reading all your stuff. I think the viewers can figure you out by now that you can't stand to see Jews governing Israel and you want your friends to be the ones who are in charge. That is the bottom line regardless of what sites you post.

 

[Indeependent]

I watched the first 10 minutes of the first video and it has two problems...
1] Revisionism galore.
2] "Evil Jew" music.
So a Jew LEGALLY purchases land from an ARAB and the purchase requires the CURRENT tenants to leave.
But NOOOOOOOOOOO!
The video doesn't emphasize the fact that ARABS just sold out their fellow Arabs, it emphasizes how EVIL a LEGAL transaction is.

Amity, you are a ******* idiot.

 

[amity1844]

coming from you that last is a compliment.

but I don' get the rest of your comments.
Lots of Palestinians have been defrauded of their land and homes, and that's gonna stop.

 

[Indeependent]

coming from you that last is a compliment.

but I don' get the rest of your comments.
Lots of Palestinians have been defrauded of their land and homes, and that's gonna stop.

You posted a video.
I commented on THAT video.
RESPOND or admit you're an idiot.