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'Christians and Jews are infidels and cursed by allah'
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That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Bullshit.Do you know what abrogation is? That verse is dead it was superseded by the verse of the sword.If you knew anything about Islam you would know non-Muslims are not considered as human beings. No cigar.Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth
Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?www.thereligionofpeace.com
Quran on Murder (Part 1)
The following is a compilation of the various verses I the Qur’an which address killing another human being. Murder is regarded 5th greatest sin in Islam and it is extremely forbidden. Lets take a …musliminc.com
Quran on Murder (Part 1)
The following is a compilation of the various verses I the Qur’an which address killing another human being. Murder is regarded 5th greatest sin in Islam and it is extremely forbidden.
Lets take a quote from Umar ibn Kathir, a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer, who said
“So, strictly speaking, verse 5:32 is only applicable to the children of Israel (the verse says it)”. Any way, to be fair, we shall ignore this limitation and concentrate on the wider meaning:
On the surface of it, the first sentence (Islamists often quote only the first sentence, conveniently hiding the next sentence) of verse 5:32 seems very munificence and non-violent. What does the next sentence say? It says clearly that even when Allah sent His messengers many people disbelieved them. Muhammad was one of such messengers, the best and the last. Therefore, “those who disbelieve in Muhammad and Allah (i.e. the non-Muslims) are the transgressors. Evidently, the non-Muslims are the mischief-makers on earth. Logically, these non-Muslims do not fall under the purview of the merciful provisions of verse 5:32. In simple language, this means: verse 5:32 is applicable only to the Muslims.
To further emphasize on this point, let me quote ibn Kathir the foremost Tafsir writer:
Beginning of Kathir’s quote
(if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) ***Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (A Muslim.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.” Similar was said by Mujahid;
[وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا]
Christians and Jews are People of the Book. Muhammed said, "Be kind to the Christians; they are nearest us in faith".
Abrogation was invented by non Muslims. Muslims are forbidden to kill except in self defense.. and that goes for People of the Book and pagans.
I would suggest the Pickthal translation.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
Muhammad said the Koran is to be taken literally. There is no argument that stands against Muhammad. When it says kill, it means kill.
The Bible also has contradictions..
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Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Abu Dawud (4448) - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." (see also 4447).
al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."
There are several lesser hadith stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers," "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses," "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes," and "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (Abu Dawud 4462 and al-Tirmidhi 1456)
Islam and Homosexuality
What does the Religion of Peace say about homosexuality?
www.thereligionofpeace.com
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I say we send all future Syrian refugees that we take in to Colorado!
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What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.
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What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.
Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
Islamic law and the rules of war
Islamic law contains a rich, but complex set of rules on the protection of civilians which can be difficult to understand, given the range of sources and interpretations available. IRIN walks you through the basics.
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What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
.Islamic law and the rules of war
Islamic law contains a rich, but complex set of rules on the protection of civilians which can be difficult to understand, given the range of sources and interpretations available. IRIN walks you through the basics.www.thenewhumanitarian.org
It depends on who you speak to. Many scholars, especially those with a contemporary view of Islamic law, see in early Islamic rules of war many roots of modern IHL.
No it does not depend on who you speak to. One huge mistake that screams apology. Muhammad raided at night, raped women, and killed children. There were no rules whatsoever.
What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
.Islamic law and the rules of war
Islamic law contains a rich, but complex set of rules on the protection of civilians which can be difficult to understand, given the range of sources and interpretations available. IRIN walks you through the basics.It depends on who you speak to. Many scholars, especially those with a contemporary view of Islamic law, see in early Islamic rules of war many roots of modern IHL.
No it does not depend on who you speak to. One huge mistake that screams apology. Muhammad raided at night, raped women, and killed children. There were no rules whatsoever.
Says who?
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One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
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Historians.What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
.Islamic law and the rules of war
Islamic law contains a rich, but complex set of rules on the protection of civilians which can be difficult to understand, given the range of sources and interpretations available. IRIN walks you through the basics.It depends on who you speak to. Many scholars, especially those with a contemporary view of Islamic law, see in early Islamic rules of war many roots of modern IHL.
No it does not depend on who you speak to. One huge mistake that screams apology. Muhammad raided at night, raped women, and killed children. There were no rules whatsoever.
Says who?
One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
Historians.What religion is Isis?Muslims torture and imprison dissidents? You must be mistaken; Islam is the religion of peace.
They push gheys off cliffs and buildings.
But leftists still wuv them anyway.
That was ISIS.. There's no death penalty for homosexuality in Islam.
Nominally Islam, but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran. They are not to kill children, women , the elderly or non combatants . They are not to destroy trees, crops, livestock or water sources... and they are obligated to go to the peace table if the enemy calls for a truce.
ISIS kills mostly other Muslims when they aren't robbing banks or kidnapping for ransom.Please quote those verses.but the rules of warfare are laid out clearly in the Koran.
.Islamic law and the rules of war
Islamic law contains a rich, but complex set of rules on the protection of civilians which can be difficult to understand, given the range of sources and interpretations available. IRIN walks you through the basics.It depends on who you speak to. Many scholars, especially those with a contemporary view of Islamic law, see in early Islamic rules of war many roots of modern IHL.
No it does not depend on who you speak to. One huge mistake that screams apology. Muhammad raided at night, raped women, and killed children. There were no rules whatsoever.
Says who?
Really? Did any of them ever go on a raiding party in 120 degree heat?
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Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
You also get your information from Spencer and Pam Geller?
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They have nothing to do with this. Although they both know much more about Islam than you do.Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
You also get your information from Spencer and Pam Geller?
They have nothing to do with this. Although they both know much more about Islam than you do.Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
You also get your information from Spencer and Pam Geller?
I've known a lot of Muslims in my lifetime an spent two decades in the Muslim world. Both are good at spreading hate an ignorance.
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I do not care. I have given links to Islamic literature. Nothing changes what Islam says. What part of that don't you understand?They have nothing to do with this. Although they both know much more about Islam than you do.Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
You also get your information from Spencer and Pam Geller?
I've known a lot of Muslims in my lifetime an spent two decades in the Muslim worl.
I do not care. I have given links to Islamic literature. Nothing changes what Islam says. What part of that don't you understand?They have nothing to do with this. Although they both know much more about Islam than you do.Do you see the literature quoted? Is it from Islamic sources? It is what Islam says.One of the basic tenets of Islamic law is that treaties must be respected.
Your article neglects to say treaties can be broken if it advances Islam. That means anytime.
He who took an oath and then found another thing better than (this) should expiate for the oath (broken) by him and do (the better thing).
Sahih Muslim 15:4053
The best thing to do is advance Islam. Also treaties that do not benefit Islam are voided before they begin. Something to keeping mind when Islam makes a concession like Iran did it means nothing will not be honored.
You said something about abrogation before.
Most of the Quran is about unbelievers and much of this is devoted to their earthly or divine punishment. People of other religions are said to be "cursed by Allah." The more tolerant verses (though popular with contemporary apologists) are far less numerous than the later, more violent ones. According to the Quran itself, the later verses abrogate those that precede them (Allah doesn't change his word, 6:115, but he does "substitute" it when he comes up with something better, 2:106 16:101).
Is that where you learned about Islam?
Most Hadith aren't authenticated .. There were thousands of them from Persia 200 years after Muhammed's death.
You also get your information from Spencer and Pam Geller?
I've known a lot of Muslims in my lifetime an spent two decades in the Muslim worl.
You can do the same hate fest with Judaism and Christianity if that's what you are about.
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