'Christian warrior' militia accused in plot to kill police

[Dr Grump]

Don't use large generalizations, says the retard who just generally described right wingers as fundamental Christian anti-government yahoos.

You use them all the time.....like murders in DC quadrupling....

 

[xotoxi]

I don't have a link... I am stating my considered opinion... Having lived in Michigan; worked in Michigan and have extensive experience with the mindset of the typical Michiganner...

I'm perfectly prepared to concede if evidence comes along which conclusively demonstrates that these cranks were not the typical Union Shop tools, who sit around the local bar all day, talking about 'the camp' and how they're getting' ready for Deer season... or Duck season...

Whose camp is a shack in the woods, where they go loaded for bear and spend long weekends sitting around smoking pot and getting hammered; rarely leaving 'the camp' to actually do any hunting...

Can't make it any more clear than that... They are the ignorant masses... the epitome of Progressivism... PROUD AMERICANS ALL! Who bargain collectively for their jobs, pay their Union Dues and count the days to their 'retirement'... so that they can do the exact same damn thing they've done their entire workin' life... sit at the bar, smoke pot, drink and talk about going to the woods...

They're YOU dipshit. They FEEL like because they LIVE in America, that makes 'em AMERICANS! They are up their their NECKS IN RIGHTS! And they KNOW 'EM all.

They're just not real big on 'responsibility'...

So sit back and enjoy the run... I'm just tellin' ya... Rightwing Christian Soldiers don't plot to murder local cops... We don't do it. And we don't do it, because it's something that is diametrically opposed to everything we stand for.

Give it time... and I think you'll find I'm closer to the truth here, than you're gonna be comfortable with.

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[Vast LWC]

Don't use large generalizations, says the retard who just generally described right wingers as fundamental Christian anti-government yahoos.

Of course, you completely ignored this line altogether:

Some right-wing folks only belong to 2 or 3 of these categories, some all of them.

And personally I thought my summation was pretty non-insulting. Perhaps I was mistaken.

 

[xotoxi]

How many USMB posters did we lose with these arrests?

Where's Mr T? Lost Soul? Guatama?

I see Patek is still around, so they musta missed him in the round up.....

Where's who?

SWEET!!!

Mr. T's posted bail! Congrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

These guys should get off easy. All they have to say in their defense is that armed rebellion is perfectly legal, and not just that, but our patriotic duty!!! That's what we read on USMB!!!

 

[Brubricker]

I've lost count of how many times I've seen right-wingers around here quoting Jefferson about replenishing the tree of liberty with blood. The revolution to come has been your number one topic for more than a year. Now that someone actually rises up you all duck for cover and disavow any of it. It really makes you look pathetic.

 

[Vast LWC]

If they're libertarians, and it sounds like they are, they're not right-wingers.

Libertarians are in fact right-wingers.

Define it. And NO Dictionary allowed. YOUR own words...GO!

Right-winger or Libertarian?

"Right-winger" I defined above, so I guess you mean "Libertarian".

A Libertarian is a person who believes in the minimalization of Government oversight and responsibility.

Many people today who call themselves "Libertarian" however, have narrowed their minimalist views to only apply to fiscal issues, and believe in the legislation of morality in such areas as sexuality. Also different in many modern so-called Libertarians is a belief that the US should be projecting it's military might across the globe.

Ron Paul is an example of a classic Libertarian. Sean Hannity is a modern, so-called "Libertarian".

 

[Diuretic]

You know that line about eternal vigilance? It pays to keep both eyes open. It's very true that the indictment hasn't been proven yet and that has to be borne in mind. However, there is an indictment, it's not a figment of someone's imagination. It would be a sign of maturity and simple common sense to accept that extremists of the left or the right are a danger to a liberal democratic society.

It's also a sign of maturity to admit that of all the ridiculous, bizarro claims made against "right wingers" in the last few weeks, NONE of them have been true. Not the brick story, not the racist epithet story, not the spitting story, nor any of the "extremist" stories.

It pays to be sceptical untll the facts are known - we're all a bit prone to believe bad stuff about the other side though so I'll admit to a little of my own immaturity in that case but you're right, if something is proven bullshit then it has to be openly condemned as such. Reduces the temperature in discussions a little at least.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What is the Right wing? It's people who believe in INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY... is it not?

So what would an EXTREME RIGHT WINGER be? Some who REALLY BELIEVES in INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY...

Count me amongst that group...

That is entirely dependent on the right-winger in question. There are a wide range of beliefs that fall under the title "right-wing", just like there are a wide-range of beliefs that fall under the category, "left-wing".

In modern terminology, the "right-wing" is generally indentifiable by:

• Anti-Government sentiment
• Support for individual rights in terms of economics, guns and religion
• Support of projecting US military power
• Support of restrictions on "immoral behavior", usually based on:
• Fundamentalist religious beliefs
• Strong opposition to taxation

Some right-wing folks only belong to 2 or 3 of these categories, some all of them.

LOL... So basically a rightwinger is whatever you need a rightwinger to be...

The Nazis, for instance... BIG Believers in big, powerful centralized government... Yet, I'd bet my shiniest nickle that there no convincing you that the Nazis were something other than rightwingers.

As far as being anti-government... I seem to recall you being fairly heavily camped in the Anti-Bush government crowd.

Last time I checked the Liberals were demanding that they believed in Liberty.... Not too many right wing liberals floatin' around.

Atheism is a fundamental Religion... can't say that I've run across too many rightwing atheists...

And I've talked to many a Leftist who was none too happy about taxation... Spent about a thousand hours debating Leftists for 8 years, recently who were OUTRAGED that they were being taxed to pay for American Imperialism...

Now in my experience, the people who YOU PEOPLE call extreme RIGHT WINGERS are YOU! Leftists who just happen to believe in a competing '-ism' to your strain of the infection... but who are every bit as leftist as you are.

Skin-heads, Neo-Nazis; National Socialists... All LEFTISTS..

Completely untrue. Nazi-ism was labeled "Socialism" incorrectly.

ROFL... Yep kids... I am THAT good... And No... I hadn't read this far down the thread when I began the response.

It was a fascist system that only practiced socialism up until the point the corporations were handed out to private owners, forming "Cartels", usually made up of party cronies.

As I said, just because they're advocating for another '-ism'; just because they're touting from another facet than the one you're standing on, doesn't mean that they're not working off the same jewel...

National Socialists are every BIT the Socialists as that of the international variety; they just happen to be more pragmatic; more practical...

Mussolini famously said that fascism would more correctly be labeled "Corporatism".

Benito Mussolini? The editor of the largest Socialist Periodical in Europe? The life long Socialists? That Mussolini?

And these cranks in Michigan are no exception.

Or are you saying that among the multiple millions of people in Michigan, there is no possible chance that right-wing extremists might be part of the population?

Yep... that's what I'm sayin'... at least the toothless 'rightwing extremist' that you erroneously believe exist.

As I said the Rightwingers are fully employed; probably self employed or are on the front line of public service, in the Police fire-fighter or US military...

Michigan has plenty of those folks... and many of them have cabins int he woods... which usually sit along a lake, are neat and tidy, well maintained and NONE of them belong to any Militia.

You are making some really large generalizations, that I believe to be inaccurate. I think perhaps you know that they are inaccurate.

I've seen no evidence that you're capable of thinking... Again... I'll let it play out... I've nothing invested here. I've stated my opinion based upon the reasoning which I've stated that rest such rest upon.

There's nothing 'rightwing' about the goals which the indictment lays out; for which these clowns were arrested; as such, it's fairly unlikely that they're rightwingers... if extreme can be used to define them and the rightwing; the only way that works is: "They're extremely unlikely to be Rightwingers."

Again kids... the template is that because they were plotting to murder some local cops, that they were anti-government.

The French Revolutionaries were anti-government... and there wasn't a rightwinger anywhere NEAR that crowd. The Bolsheviks were anti-government; not much 'Right" about them at ALL...

All of Leftists are anti-government right up until thy become the government at which time they're ALL FOR IT and in a BIG WAY.

Throw me the keys to the government and you'll see the entire ideological Leftwing world become anti-Government OVERNIGHT!

These clowns were lazy ass drunks, who were pissed off because the government had cut their ass off... IN A STATE WHERE THE UNEMPLOYMENT GOES ON FOR OVER A YEAR! They believe that the Government had screwed 'em... and NOT because the government was too BIG... but because it WASN'T BIG ENOUGH!

Just wait...

Now as I said, the long odds are, that these morons will plea-out. Whoever set this up DOES NOT want it going to trial.

That we do not already have everything that can be known about these idiots plastered ALL OVER THE NEWS... is all ya really need to know who they are.

If they were 'Right wing Extremists"... meaning regular Church attendees; responsible people; pro-life Republicans... there'd be NO ESCAPING that information.

Yet there's a thundering silence, where we might otherwise expect there to be a gush of minutia.

So yuck it up clown... I've book marked these threads... and when it finally leaks out that they're Unemployed Union tools... I'll be there for ya.

 

[AllieBaba]

I've lost count of how many times I've seen right-wingers around here quoting Jefferson about replenishing the tree of liberty with blood. The revolution to come has been your number one topic for more than a year. Now that someone actually rises up you all duck for cover and disavow any of it. It really makes you look pathetic.

That's odd, because I've been here for years and I don't remember ever hearing it.

 

[Vast LWC]

You know that line about eternal vigilance? It pays to keep both eyes open. It's very true that the indictment hasn't been proven yet and that has to be borne in mind. However, there is an indictment, it's not a figment of someone's imagination. It would be a sign of maturity and simple common sense to accept that extremists of the left or the right are a danger to a liberal democratic society.

It's also a sign of maturity to admit that of all the ridiculous, bizarro claims made against "right wingers" in the last few weeks, NONE of them have been true. Not the brick story, not the racist epithet story, not the spitting story, nor any of the "extremist" stories.

It pays to be sceptical untll the facts are known - we're all a bit prone to believe bad stuff about the other side though so I'll admit to a little of my own immaturity in that case but you're right, if something is proven bullshit then it has to be openly condemned as such. Reduces the temperature in discussions a little at least.

I am skeptical about all such claims until they are proven true or false.

But I feel I also must point out that this statement:

of all the ridiculous, bizarro claims made against "right wingers" in the last few weeks, NONE of them have been true.

Is completely false. While one should be skeptical, one also must be skeptical of cross-the-board accusations of falsehood with no supporting data provided.

 

[Diuretic]

Where's Mr T? Lost Soul? Guatama?

I see Patek is still around, so they musta missed him in the round up.....

Mind your own fucking business ..... outsider.

I've never seen anyone use that "fuck off you're not American so you can't comment" tactic Doc

 

[xotoxi]

So yuck it up clown... I've book marked these threads... and when it finally leaks out that they're Unemployed Union tools... I'll be there for ya.

Who the fuck cares if they are right-wingers or left-wingers?

They are dangerous people and they were stopped.

For that, we should be pleased.

 

[Diuretic]

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Why? His fucking chest is puffed out enough already

 

[AllieBaba]

You aren't required to prove negatives, cupcake. When people make accusations, if they don't back them up, it isn't the onus of the attacked to "prove" said incident didn't happen...when it was never proved it DID happen.

 

[Diuretic]

So yuck it up clown... I've book marked these threads... and when it finally leaks out that they're Unemployed Union tools... I'll be there for ya.

Who the fuck cares if they are right-wingers or left-wingers?

They are dangerous people and they were stopped.

For that, we should be pleased.

Don't worry about Pub X, he's working through DSM-IV TR and acting out

 

[Diuretic]

These guys should get off easy. All they have to say in their defense is that armed rebellion is perfectly legal, and not just that, but our patriotic duty!!! That's what we read on USMB!!!

They can ask for character witnesses from here

 

[Brubricker]

I've lost count of how many times I've seen right-wingers around here quoting Jefferson about replenishing the tree of liberty with blood. The revolution to come has been your number one topic for more than a year. Now that someone actually rises up you all duck for cover and disavow any of it. It really makes you look pathetic.

That's odd, because I've been here for years and I don't remember ever hearing it.

The quote has only been used around here about a jillion times. Hell, Defiant1 even has it as his sig line. You must not be paying attention.

 

[Colin]

Mind your own fucking business ..... outsider.

I've never seen anyone use that "fuck off you're not American so you can't comment" tactic Doc

Hmmmm. 'Mind your own business' isn't a phrase recognised in American foreign policy.

Just saying.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yeah. That must be it.

Who the hell is "Defiant1"?