China 'Worrisome Escalation' - Because They CAN, No Fear of Consequences, Filling The Void Left By US Absence

[Stann]

Resign.

Too bad trump didn't do that on his first day in office.

 

[Father O'Blivion]

Its amusing watching you two 'girls' sit together, whining and crying, complaining again how 'mean tweets' have completely wrecked your fragile, over-sensitive, easily-offended feelings.

The whole time neither of you have been able to disprove / debunk what has been provided / posted. It is, after all, hard to debunk the truth.

You piss and moan about links but offer none to support your claim that Biden Is a strong, decisive leader respected .... and feared ... the world over, how he has 'handled' Xi and the CCP...

...when the truth is Xi has so little respect for Biden tbat he fly a spy balloon half way around the world - without trying to hide it - openly over US airspace, right up Biden's ass, stopping over US nuclear ICBM silos and a stealth base and spied as long as he wanted to.

You're two friggin' clowns ... two fragile, imbecilic, talking point-parroting, Hillary Hoax-pushing, reality-denying, Biden / Democrat sac-licking apologists who don't have the common sense God gave a door knob. You have been paid / indoctrinated bots / trolls for so long you have lost the ability to think for yourselves.

China has filled the void left by your reclusive, dementia-ravaged, criminal, compromised paid CCP puppet, running rough shod over tbat region... and over US airspace, attacking Guam to eliminate its interference when it takes Taiwan.

Biden refuses to give Taiwan the weapons it has already paid for, gives Taiwan and its defense lip service, does nothing to bolster a crumbling US alliance, as France has already stated that it might not defy China by takibg part in the Defense of Taiwan.


The biggest thing Biden and Democrats have done in Ukraine to prove what they really care about there was engage in a 'For Ukraine' Ponzi Scheme in which he and Democrats were caught lining their pockets with tax payer cash.

Biden has't shown anyone any type of military might / capability with Biden's disastrous pull-out in Afghanistan, repeatedly blowing up civilians / kids while claiming to have taken out terrorist bombers or leaders, and after allowing Xi to fly a spycraft over the US / military targets uncontested.

COVID-19, Fentynal - it doesn't matter what deadly product Xi sends into the US or how many Americans he has killed or keeps killing - Joe doesn't give a damn because he won't even pick up a phone to confront Xi.

...but you two 'girls' keep huddling together to whine anout your feeling and how hurt you are by 'mean teeets / posts'.


In the meantime, you are both dismissed.

I tried to discuss every one of your topics in a respectful manner.

You simply replied with a childish tantrum. It seems to be your MO around here.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I tried to discuss every one of your topics in a respectful manner.
You simply replied with a childish tantrum. It seems to be your MO around here.

It is his MO. Like many here.

Your one “Politico” link had a lot of excellent information and insight concerning changing U.S.-China trade relations over the last decade, and the increasing security concerns and U.S. sanctions policies toward China under the Obama, Trump and Biden Administrations. The article was right to point out that under the Trump Administration our trade policy lurched about inconsistently. It often treated our allies almost as hostilely as it did China, and it lacked an overall industrial / technological policy for re-shoring and protecting future industrial development among reliable allies.

You can be sure easyt65 didn’t read that article or any serious treatments of the issue. Like many here he doesn’t know how to think outside the MAGA box and his own “Biden Derangement Syndrome.” He simply cannot see beyond partisan sloganeering.

These issues are very complex, of course, as I’m sure you appreciate. The steady re-adjusting of investment policies toward China, the re-shoring of strategic industry via the Chips Act and new sanctions, the redoubling of efforts to keep our Western (and Eastern) allies on the same page toward China (and Russia) cannot be done by some big mouth braggart or by ignorant sloganeeering.

Not that I agree with the Biden Administration or U.S. overall policy on every issue! Especially on China/Taiwan — which is very different than Russia/Ukraine — I believe we are making serious mistakes. But having a serious discussion about this matter, or most any other foreign policy question, is impossible with people who see these issues primarily as domestic partisan issues — which they most definitely are not.

 

[easyt65]

As in sad to be you.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Oh, I forgot to re-link to Father O'Blivion ’s Politico article:

‘A sea change’: Biden reverses decades of Chinese trade policy

Forget tariffs. Biden’s actions to crack down on Beijing’s tech development will do more to hinder the Chinese economy — and divide the two nations — than Trump ever did.

www.politico.com

As somebody who lived in China for eight years and watched the closing up of hopes for reform under XiJinping — and the change in opinion among American “China experts” and Chambers of Commerce of Western countries in Beijing — I have given a lot of attention to these matters. The Politico article is, in my opinion, reasonably accurate and honest.

 

[easyt65]

It is his MO. Like many here.

Your one “Politico” link had a lot of excellent information and insight concerning changing U.S.-China trade relations over the last decade, and the increasing security concerns and U.S. sanctions policies toward China under the Obama, Trump and Biden Administrations. The article was right to point out that under the Trump Administration our trade policy lurched about inconsistently. It often treated our allies almost as hostilely as it did China, and it lacked an overall industrial / technological policy for re-shoring and protecting future industrial development among reliable allies.

You can be sure easyt65 didn’t read that article or any serious treatments of the issue. Like many here he doesn’t know how to think outside the MAGA box and his own “Biden Derangement Syndrome.” He simply cannot see beyond partisan sloganeering.

These issues are very complex, of course, as I’m sure you appreciate. The steady re-adjusting of investment policies toward China, the re-shoring of strategic industry via the Chips Act and new sanctions, the redoubling of efforts to keep our Western (and Eastern) allies on the same page toward China (and Russia) cannot be done by some big mouth braggart or by ignorant sloganeeering.

Not that I agree with the Biden Administration or U.S. overall policy on every issue! Especially on China/Taiwan (which is very different than the Russia/Ukraine) I believe we are making serious mistakes. But having a serious discussion about this matter, or most any other foreign policy question, is impossible with people who see these issues primarily as issues — wh hthfefyb are most definitely not.

Evidence has proven the 'Biden 12' laundeted and took millions from the CCP, Russia, Romania, Ukraine, Burisma, and more.

WH visitors logs prove Biden has met with Soros' son more than a dozen times since taking office.

The only reason Hunter and at least 2 other Bidens are not already in jail is because the proven criminal, treasonous DOJ & FBI continue to protect their asses.

Whistleblowers have come out and produced evidence of their guilt and the DOJ's & FBI's corruption.

Blinken, Garland, and Wray have all been exposed and proven to be partisanly weaponized liberal traitors.

The list of 'favors' Biden has and continues to do for China is long and proven.

Biden is a weak, pathetic President, as shown by his going to Saudi and groveling before the Butcher of Kashoggi, who denied his request to pump more oil. Saudi then went to Iran to establish an alliance with them.

Biden spends his days stumbling up end down stairs / steps, avoiding the press, telling the sane old documented lies / false stories, trying to find his way off stages, taking naps, trafficking thousands of missing kids, f*ing Americans over, and making life better for China.

He hasn't stood up to China on 1 significant thing.

Durham's official report shows Brennan briefed Obama, Biden, & their administration on the Hillary Hoax ... before they used the Hoax to attempt a failed coup.

Joe Bidrn has been proven not only to be a criminal and compromised but also a traitor, just like Obama.

He is a curse to this country and a Godsend to Jimmy Carter, who is no longer the worst President in US history.

Snowflakes', bots', and trolls' continued defense and support for this POS only proves the left's loyalty to party outweighs all else.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Evidence has proven the 'Biden 12' laundeted and took millions from the CCP, Russia, Romania, Ukraine, Burisma, and more.

WH visitors logs prove Biden has met with Soros' son more than a dozen times since taking office.

The only reason Hunter and at least 2 other Bidens are not already in jail is because the proven criminal, treasonous DOJ & FBI continue to protect their asses.

Whistleblowers have come out and produced evidence of their guilt and the DOJ's & FBI's corruption.

Blinken, Garland, and Wray have all been exposed and proven to be partisanly weaponized liberal traitors.

The list of 'favors' Biden has and continues to do for China is long and proven.

Biden is a weak, pathetic President, as shown by his going to Saudi and groveling before the Butcher of Kashoggi, who denied his request to pump more oil. Saudi then went to Iran to establish an alliance with them.

Biden spends his days stumbling up end down stairs / steps, avoiding the press, telling the sane old documented lies / false stories, trying to find his way off stages, taking naps, trafficking thousands of missing kids, f*ing Americans over, and making life better for China.

He hasn't stood up to China on 1 significant thing.

Durham's official report shows Brennan briefed Obama, Biden, & their administration on the Hillary Hoax ... before they used the Hoax to attempt a failed coup.

Joe Bidrn has been proven not only to be a criminal and compromised but also a traitor, just like Obama.

He is a curse to this country and a Godsend to Jimmy Carter, who is no longer the worst President in US history.

Snowflakes', bots', and trolls' continued defense and support for this POS only proves the left's loyalty to party outweighs all else.

So you want to act tough? Guess you supported Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan, right? Are you also for declaring Taiwan “independent” and sending them “all the weapons they need to defend themselves.” But wouldn’t that include nuclear weapons?

Do you favor our present policy that uses the threat of sanctions to force Taiwan companies not to trade freely with their biggest trading partner (& consumer of high tech products) — mainland China?

Not for giving them nuclear weapons? Ok. Then are you for sending our aircraft carriers and nuclear subs into Taiwan ports? Want to base thousands of our soldiers there? Will you have Americans die to defend Taiwan if it is eventually blockaded by the Mainland to force it to accept China’s “One China” policy?

You talk so much shit, but avoid every real issue. You are a typical idiot MAGA troll.

 

[tahuyaman]

Something he is incapable of doing and unwilling to do - be a strong leader, stand up to China - something he has not done yet.

He can’t. They own him.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

He can’t. They own him.

“They” … own your brain.

 

[easyt65]

So you want to act tough?

No one is acting tough, snowflake. Your attempt to sidestep the issue I am tslking about is a masdive fail.

I'm stating facts about our weak, dementia-ravaged , criminal, compromised President. NONE of what I have said is wrong.

As I said, I noticed you avoided the subject completely. You claim he is not a 'serious issue'. He's the biggest, most serious issue this cubtry faces right now - he and his criminally partisanly weaponized agencies protecting him and his family.

He has / they have and continue to violate the US Constitution, Rule of Law, abusively and dangerously wielding the power of the government, trampling cotizens' rights and endangering national security. He has already sacrificed our nation's sovereignty and national security. He has been proven undeniably to be a traitor, but partisan clowns like yiu still protrct and defend him, getting mad and attacking me because I point out these proven, reported, recorded facts.

You can't even accept simple truths about your own President, but you claim to want to have a serious discussion.

I don't have serious discussions with reality-denying children. Go back to the kids table and let the grown-ups talk.

 

[easyt65]

“They” … own your brain.

At least he has one, unlike Dementia Joe and you blindly following apologists / excuse-makers.

 

[jknowgood]

'China on Friday once again disregarded Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and deployed a research ship along with five escort vessels to an area where a Russian state firm jointly operates a gas block with Hanoi in the energy rich South China Sea.'

'China has attempted to lay sovereign claim over the entire South China Sea, recently increasing its aggressive posture against neighboring nations with jurisdictional rights in the vast body of water like the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Vietnam.'

Who is going to stop them? Our dementia-ravaged, compromised President whose family has taken MILLIONS from the CCP?

You can hear the theme from 'Jaws' playing in the background as China continues to make escallatory moves as it sets its eyes not only on Taiwan but also the entire South China Sea / Region.

Continued shows of force surrounding Taiwan
Declaring they WILL take Taiwan
Threatening to destroy those who oppose
Escalation of Cyber attacks on Guam
Now this...


Where is President Biden?
- Does even HE know?

China enters waters off of Vietnam near Russian gas block in 'worrying escalation'

China on Friday again disregarded Vietnam's exclusive economic zone by deploying a research vessel near a gas block jointly operated by Hanoi and Russian firms.

www.foxnews.com

Rightwinger and all the other liberals on here will be okay with this. I guess Biden feels their daughters and granddaughters up too.

 

[ESay]

So you want to act tough? Guess you supported Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan, right? Are you also for declaring Taiwan “independent” and sending them “all the weapons they need to defend themselves.” But wouldn’t that include nuclear weapons?

Do you favor our present policy that uses the threat of sanctions to force Taiwan companies not to trade freely with their biggest trading partner (& consumer of high tech products) — mainland China?

Not for giving them nuclear weapons? Ok. Then are you for sending our aircraft carriers and nuclear subs into Taiwan ports? Want to base thousands of our soldiers there? Will you have Americans die to defend Taiwan if it is eventually blockaded by the Mainland to force it to accept China’s “One China” policy?

You talk so much shit, but avoid every real issue. You are a typical idiot MAGA troll.

What is your stand on Taiwan's issue? I think it can't be denied that in possible China-Taiwan conflict justice in a common sense are fully on Taiwan's side. Over the years, the Taiwan people have built economically prosperous democratic society.

And autocratic China taking over these people would be on a wrong side of history. 'One country - two systems ' isn't working so well if taking into account Hong Kong case.

 

[excalibur]

Leaked Emails Show Biden Administration Protected China During Spy Balloon-gate

The Biden Junta appears to be a subsidiary of the CCP. A recent report from Reuters alleges that Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who has already been implicated in several scandals, was purportedly prioritizing the interests of the Chinese Communist Party. The report, supported by leaked...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[beagle9]

Leaked Emails Show Biden Administration Protected China During Spy Balloon-gate

The Biden Junta appears to be a subsidiary of the CCP. A recent report from Reuters alleges that Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who has already been implicated in several scandals, was purportedly prioritizing the interests of the Chinese Communist Party. The report, supported by leaked...

www.usmessageboard.com

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer maybe ?

Are they trying to stay in close in order to have Intel capabilities or is it that they are compromised in a bad way ?

The latter definitely needs to be found out ASAP.

 

[Father O'Blivion]

It is his MO. Like many here.

Your one “Politico” link had a lot of excellent information and insight concerning changing U.S.-China trade relations over the last decade, and the increasing security concerns and U.S. sanctions policies toward China under the Obama, Trump and Biden Administrations. The article was right to point out that under the Trump Administration our trade policy lurched about inconsistently. It often treated our allies almost as hostilely as it did China, and it lacked an overall industrial / technological policy for re-shoring and protecting future industrial development among reliable allies.

You can be sure easyt65 didn’t read that article or any serious treatments of the issue. Like many here he doesn’t know how to think outside the MAGA box and his own “Biden Derangement Syndrome.” He simply cannot see beyond partisan sloganeering.

These issues are very complex, of course, as I’m sure you appreciate. The steady re-adjusting of investment policies toward China, the re-shoring of strategic industry via the Chips Act and new sanctions, the redoubling of efforts to keep our Western (and Eastern) allies on the same page toward China (and Russia) cannot be done by some big mouth braggart or by ignorant sloganeeering.

Not that I agree with the Biden Administration or U.S. overall policy on every issue! Especially on China/Taiwan — which is very different than Russia/Ukraine — I believe we are making serious mistakes. But having a serious discussion about this matter, or most any other foreign policy question, is impossible with people who see these issues primarily as domestic partisan issues — which they most definitely are not.

What mistakes do you think we are making with the China/Taiwan issue? It is certainly a thorny one. I'm not sure a huge and very destructive war that could quite possibly involve nuclear weapons is worth it.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

What mistakes do you think we are making with the China/Taiwan issue? It is certainly a thorny one. I'm not sure a huge and very destructive war that could quite possibly involve nuclear weapons is worth it.

Good question. I’m away from home now and will try to get back to this when I return.

Meanwhile, I notice you are relatively new here — Welcome to you!

 

[beagle9]

What mistakes do you think we are making with the China/Taiwan issue? It is certainly a thorny one. I'm not sure a huge and very destructive war that could quite possibly involve nuclear weapons is worth it.

Good questions. Now let's see a leftist response for them.

Why aren't the left screaming like they do about Putin, otherwise in concerning China ? Meaning that if China invades Taiwan, then would their conquest not stop there as well ? Cricket's...........

See how that works ?

The big thing that the NATO alliance claims, otherwise that justifies the armaments against Putin, is that he won't stop in just Ukraine right ? This is what they say, and therefore the rhetoric is that Putin seeks to go after all territory lost by the old Soviet Empire, and therefore that's justifying NATO's role in the situation to help the Ukranian's stop him in Ukraine correct ??

Ok, so in the China situation, is it not that the same rhetoric should also apply to China in concerning the sabler rattling going on in all of that situation ???

Do we think that China doesn't want to join together all of it's indo-pacific partners in the regions in order to create a new buffer zone, otherwise by China giving them a promise that the new mega strength China won't invade them if they become it's new partners, but only if they submit to the CCP for protection of those regions against western influences ???

Will China go after the regions that were since lost during world war two in order to create a new buffer zone around it or will it attempt to create a new NATO of it's own under an encompassing communism banner ??

Are we using the Putin rhetoric in order (to weaken him up along with stopping his quest on the world stage to reinvent the Soviet Union if Ukraine were defeated), otherwise if China is also an equal threat on the march to economic and military global power, and doing so in their surrounding regions or extended regions as well ?? Are we worried about the China/Putin joint threat happening next in the scheme of things, otherwise if Putin remains a threat to peace in the war torn region, and in the world if breaks out of the region ??

We can't control or fight a war on two fronts if we are tasked with it.

It absolutely doesn't work that way. Go ask Hitler about it if he could be summoned from his grave ...

So why the kid gloves with China, and the heavy hand in Ukraine against Putin ? I know Putin moved first on the chess board, but are we looking way deeper into the canvas, otherwise working on the full background picture ??

Is Ukraine a place to soften up Russia before the shite hits the fan with China, otherwise Russia being China's communist Allie that would interfere or join China in it's fight against western influences once the shite hits the fan over China's proposed indo-pacific regional quest, and it starting with Taiwan and ending with the whole of the South China sea region or beyond ??

Are we attempting to control the world power's through the NATO alliance if they get out of line, otherwise if these power's don't submit to globalism (remain a key player), and the metaphorical loss of their borders and sovereignty to a perceived unified world globalism quest ??

We shouldn't kid ourselves about this stuff, because what we should be doing is recognizing the Herculean task that we may be trying to embark upon with other's in all of this mess.

Is it worth it ?

 

[Father O'Blivion]

Good questions. Now let's see a leftist response for them.

Why aren't the left screaming like they do about Putin, otherwise in concerning China ? Meaning that if China invades Taiwan, then would their conquest not stop there as well ? Cricket's...........

See how that works ?

The big thing that the NATO alliance claims, otherwise that justifies the armaments against Putin, is that he won't stop in just Ukraine right ? This is what they say, and therefore the rhetoric is that Putin seeks to go after all territory lost by the old Soviet Empire, and therefore that's justifying NATO's role in the situation to help the Ukranian's stop him in Ukraine correct ??

Ok, so in the China situation, is it not that the same rhetoric should also apply to China in concerning the sabler rattling going on in all of that situation ???

Do we think that China doesn't want to join together all of it's indo-pacific partners in the regions in order to create a new buffer zone, otherwise by China giving them a promise that the new mega strength China won't invade them if they become it's new partners, but only if they submit to the CCP for protection of those regions against western influences ???

Will China go after the regions that were since lost during world war two in order to create a new buffer zone around it or will it attempt to create a new NATO of it's own under an encompassing communism banner ??

Are we using the Putin rhetoric in order (to weaken him up along with stopping his quest on the world stage to reinvent the Soviet Union if Ukraine were defeated), otherwise if China is also an equal threat on the march to economic and military global power, and doing so in their surrounding regions or extended regions as well ?? Are we worried about the China/Putin joint threat happening next in the scheme of things, otherwise if Putin remains a threat to peace in the war torn region, and in the world if breaks out of the region ??

We can't control or fight a war on two fronts if we are tasked with it.

It absolutely doesn't work that way. Go ask Hitler about it if he could be summoned from his grave ...

So why the kid gloves with China, and the heavy hand in Ukraine against Putin ? I know Putin moved first on the chess board, but are we looking way deeper into the canvas, otherwise working on the full background picture ??

Is Ukraine a place to soften up Russia before the shite hits the fan with China, otherwise Russia being China's communist Allie that would interfere or join China in it's fight against western influences once the shite hits the fan over China's proposed indo-pacific regional quest, and it starting with Taiwan and ending with the whole of the South China sea region or beyond ??

Are we attempting to control the world power's through the NATO alliance if they get out of line, otherwise if these power's don't submit to globalism (remain a key player), and the metaphorical loss of their borders and sovereignty to a perceived unified world globalism quest ??

We shouldn't kid ourselves about this stuff, because what we should be doing is recognizing the Herculean task that we may be trying to embark upon with other's in all of this mess.

Is it worth it ?

You summed up many of the potential problems nicely. How do you suggest we handle it?

 

[BS Filter]

So you want to act tough? Guess you supported Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan, right? Are you also for declaring Taiwan “independent” and sending them “all the weapons they need to defend themselves.” But wouldn’t that include nuclear weapons?

Do you favor our present policy that uses the threat of sanctions to force Taiwan companies not to trade freely with their biggest trading partner (& consumer of high tech products) — mainland China?

Not for giving them nuclear weapons? Ok. Then are you for sending our aircraft carriers and nuclear subs into Taiwan ports? Want to base thousands of our soldiers there? Will you have Americans die to defend Taiwan if it is eventually blockaded by the Mainland to force it to accept China’s “One China” policy?

You talk so much shit, but avoid every real issue. You are a typical idiot MAGA troll.

We won't be sending soldiers to fight against China. That would be suicide. You're an idiot.