China Agrees With The Democrats

[Sallow]

Reagan beat the USSR so badly he left the Communist no choice but to complete their takeover of the Dem Party, which is now a wholly owned subsidiary

Reagan didn't beat shit.

What he did was to not fuck up the fact that reform was coming to the USSR. He promised them all sorts of economic goodies for giving up the satellite republics (which they couldn't afford to maintain anyway) and switch their political system. It cost the US a good deal of tax payer money. But it was probably money well spent. Jury is still out.

In any case..if it was George W. Bush at the helm..the USSR would still exist. So I give Reagan credit.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and knew that given half a chance the Soviet people would scrap Communism any day of the week. So with the Pope, Lech and Thatcher they set out to topple the USSR and they did.

A friend of mine just told me a story, he's an engineer in NJ and after Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall some USSR engineers came to visit in NJ. My friend took them to a supermarket and it left the Soviets in tears. They lined up in Moscow for whatever unknown crap got delivered that morning; they'd heard that our prosperity was a lie, that no such thing as fresh produce, breads, meats really existed and was readily accessible to the Proletariat.

They'd been lied to their hold lives, that's something American Progressives can learn from

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

 

[GHook93]

We need to cut from EVERYWHERE. Defense included. Even if we cut defense by 50% (which I am not suggesting we do), we would still spending close to that all of Europe + Russia Combined and MORE all of Asia, including China (about $80 bil more)!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan didn't beat shit.

What he did was to not fuck up the fact that reform was coming to the USSR. He promised them all sorts of economic goodies for giving up the satellite republics (which they couldn't afford to maintain anyway) and switch their political system. It cost the US a good deal of tax payer money. But it was probably money well spent. Jury is still out.

In any case..if it was George W. Bush at the helm..the USSR would still exist. So I give Reagan credit.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and knew that given half a chance the Soviet people would scrap Communism any day of the week. So with the Pope, Lech and Thatcher they set out to topple the USSR and they did.

A friend of mine just told me a story, he's an engineer in NJ and after Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall some USSR engineers came to visit in NJ. My friend took them to a supermarket and it left the Soviets in tears. They lined up in Moscow for whatever unknown crap got delivered that morning; they'd heard that our prosperity was a lie, that no such thing as fresh produce, breads, meats really existed and was readily accessible to the Proletariat.

They'd been lied to their hold lives, that's something American Progressives can learn from

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

 

[Sallow]

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and knew that given half a chance the Soviet people would scrap Communism any day of the week. So with the Pope, Lech and Thatcher they set out to topple the USSR and they did.

A friend of mine just told me a story, he's an engineer in NJ and after Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall some USSR engineers came to visit in NJ. My friend took them to a supermarket and it left the Soviets in tears. They lined up in Moscow for whatever unknown crap got delivered that morning; they'd heard that our prosperity was a lie, that no such thing as fresh produce, breads, meats really existed and was readily accessible to the Proletariat.

They'd been lied to their hold lives, that's something American Progressives can learn from

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

 

[iggy pop]

Yeah..it's not like the Democrats won WWII or created a middle class in this country.

Oh wait..they did.

Wasn't Ike a Republican?

BTW, How about coming up with something in this century.

The Clinton economy was amazing.



By the way..WWII happened this century. And Ike was a general...he was not Commander in Chief.

Yea, he just directed the troops and developed military strategy.

Actually it was last century btw.

 

[iggy pop]

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

The soviets bowed to Reagen, the piss on Obama.

 

[Si modo]

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

Reagan's spending very much had an effect on the USSR. They spent, too, in keeping with a good Cold War mentality. They just couldn't keep up and they crumbled before we did.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This leaves out a whole lot of history. And Reagan, from what I've read, nearly blew it with that "evil empire" crack. Gorbachev let him know that if he kept up with that line, it would be impossible to continue with reforms. Reagan was smart enough, and Charismatic enough to befriend Gorbie and carry on.

And it should be American Conservatism (or Plutocracy types) that should take a lesson from these idiotic commie governments (which once are up and running become very conservative).

The French Revolution, The Cuban Revolution, The Chinese Revolution, The Russian Revolution and the rise of Fascism were all the results of economic misery at the behest of the wealthy.

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

Very little effect? LOL!! Seriously?

And Star Wars actually worked and the Soviets got their asses kicked in Afghanistan!!

Reagan: The USSR is an Evil Empire and we intend to dismantle it.
Gorby: Yeah! What he said!!

 

[Sallow]

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

Very little effect? LOL!! Seriously?

And Star Wars actually worked and the Soviets got their asses kicked in Afghanistan!!

Reagan: The USSR is an Evil Empire and we intend to dismantle it.
Gorby: Yeah! What he said!!

Yeah..very little affect. In fact..the hardliners wanted to break off discussions and double down.

Russia would have left Afghanistan anyway..it was to hard to manage on their own. And thanks to Reagan..the muj was the faction of choice for Afghanistan..and we all know how that turned out for America.

What did it for Russia was the promise of Economic aid (Which COST US BILLIONS, BY THE WAY).

And thanks to George W Bush..Russia has basically gone a bit more hard line again.

 

[iggy pop]

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

Very little effect? LOL!! Seriously?

And Star Wars actually worked and the Soviets got their asses kicked in Afghanistan!!

Reagan: The USSR is an Evil Empire and we intend to dismantle it.
Gorby: Yeah! What he said!!

Yeah..very little affect. In fact..the hardliners wanted to break off discussions and double down.

Russia would have left Afghanistan anyway..it was to hard to manage on their own. And thanks to Reagan..the muj was the faction of choice for Afghanistan..and we all know how that turned out for America.

What did it for Russia was the promise of Economic aid (Which COST US BILLIONS, BY THE WAY).

And thanks to George W Bush..Russia has basically gone a bit more hard line again.

Ah the old liberal blame Bush card

 

[Sallow]

See, that's the difference between Americans and American Progressives, we view history through the US point of View, you see with Moscow vision.

Reagan took a hard line with the Soviets (Pershing II and Minuteman missiles ring a bell?), called them an "Evil Empire", said their final pages were being written and delivered on it... "freedom and democracy will leave Marxism and Leninism on the ash heap of history."

Yeah, but Gorby, was the one running the show. What a fucking joke

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

The soviets bowed to Reagen, the piss on Obama.

Correction.

The Soviets were paid off by Reagan.

The Russians reduced their nuclear arsenal and are keeping an eye on "loose nukes" thanks to President Obama.

 

[peach174]

China Agrees With The Democrats
Of course they do.
They have the same philosophy, big government and controlling the people.
Of course China wants us to have a smaller weaker military.
Are you Libs forgetting that is what our government is supposed to do? Not social programs.
Notice how they didn't say anything about getting rid of too many social programs.

 

[iggy pop]

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

The soviets bowed to Reagen, the piss on Obama.

Correction.

The Soviets were paid off by Reagan.

The Russians reduced their nuclear arsenal and are keeping an eye on "loose nukes" thanks to President Obama.

Except we cut ours by a hell of a lot more than they did.

And no, the Soviets feared Reagen, they piss on Obama.

 

[iggy pop]

China Agrees With The Democrats
Of course they do.
They have the same philosophy, big government and controlling the people.
Of course China wants us to have a smaller weaker military.
Are you Libs forgetting that is what our government is supposed to do? Not social programs.
Notice how they didn't say anything about getting rid of too many social programs.

also notice they don't have social programs of their own. They have jobs. Something the democrats haven't been able to deliver.

 

[Si modo]

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

The soviets bowed to Reagen, the piss on Obama.

Correction.

The Soviets were paid off by Reagan.

The Russians reduced their nuclear arsenal and are keeping an eye on "loose nukes" thanks to President Obama.

Under START 2010, this is counted as one deployed nuclear warhead:

Way to go, Obama.

 

[Bill Angel]

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and knew that given half a chance the Soviet people would scrap Communism any day of the week. So with the Pope, Lech and Thatcher they set out to topple the USSR and they did.

Many people think that the Soviet Union's defeat in Afghanistan also contributed to the breakup of the USSR. It's ironic to think that the USA and Osama bin Laden were on the same side in helping the Afghan Mujaheddin defeat the Soviet Union. Perhaps the name of Osama in Laden should be added to the list (above) that includes the "Pope, Lech, and Thatcher"?

 

[Mr Natural]

China Agrees With The Democrats
Of course they do.
They have the same philosophy, big government and controlling the people.
Of course China wants us to have a smaller weaker military.
Are you Libs forgetting that is what our government is supposed to do? Not social programs.
Notice how they didn't say anything about getting rid of too many social programs.

also notice they don't have social programs of their own. They have jobs. Something the democrats haven't been able to deliver.

That's because they work cheap.

Something the repubs are trying their hardest to get Americans to sign onto.

 

[California Girl]

Of course they do. They surely don't want the USA to have a strong military. It's kind of like Joe Fraizer telling Ali he works out to much befor a fight.

Its good to know The Dems and China have the same goal.

To be prosperous?

Yeah..I am down with that.

You been to China lately?

You really have lost any shred of intellect.

 

[Jroc]

Its good to know The Dems and China have the same goal.

To be prosperous?

Yeah..I am down with that.

You been to China lately?

You really have lost any shred of intellect.

Yep... 800 million people living in slums and poverty...the liberal utopia.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan put up "Star Wars', spent more money then any President before him and funded the muj. All of those things had very little effect on the Soviet Union.

In fact, Carter's Wheat embargo crippled them much more then any of those hostile and idiotic nightmarish spending schemes. It displayed for the Russians, in a very clear and concise manner, how fucked up the commies were. They couldn't even grow enough wheat to keep bread on the shelves without America.

Reagan's acting chops helped him out here. And if he didn't partner up with Gorbie..we'd still be talking about what a threat the Soviets were..

Bottom line.

Very little effect? LOL!! Seriously?

And Star Wars actually worked and the Soviets got their asses kicked in Afghanistan!!

Reagan: The USSR is an Evil Empire and we intend to dismantle it.
Gorby: Yeah! What he said!!

Yeah..very little affect. In fact..the hardliners wanted to break off discussions and double down.

Russia would have left Afghanistan anyway..it was to hard to manage on their own. And thanks to Reagan..the muj was the faction of choice for Afghanistan..and we all know how that turned out for America.

What did it for Russia was the promise of Economic aid (Which COST US BILLIONS, BY THE WAY).

And thanks to George W Bush..Russia has basically gone a bit more hard line again.

You're kidding, right? That was a comedy routine you wrote for Noose right?

They would have left Afghanistan anyway?