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Can't anybody be a witness then?
Zone1 Children Out Of Wedlock
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Can't anybody be a witness then?
Meriweather
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A married couple faces these struggles and business as one. Are you saying each of you need to take care of his/her financial struggles and personal business as an individual, not as one together?
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It's just really a complicated situation right now.
Meriweather
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Is it a valid witness also recognized also by state/government jurisdiction? Were the all the appropriate papers filed?
Welp, only the two of you can make that decision.
I don't normally give advice in situations like this...i feel it's not my place.
But I will mention this: Both my sisters had children outside of wedlock and it cost them dearly...and continued to cost them up until the children were legal adults.
That's ALOT of misery! For a LONG TIME! And I saw it up close and personal.
And both my sisters had the help and support of the entire family! It was still brutal on the both of them!
But I will mention this: Both my sisters had children outside of wedlock and it cost them dearly...and continued to cost them up until the children were legal adults.
That's ALOT of misery! For a LONG TIME! And I saw it up close and personal.
And both my sisters had the help and support of the entire family! It was still brutal on the both of them!
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Exactly as I think that these commandments are really put in place for our benefits rather than God just telling us this stuff but He can.
You nailed it!
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Then it appears one or both of you are not yet in the position to make vows, before God, family, and community--or to one another. Therefore the perfect (meaning whole, complete) route to take is to not make vows (and when together) don't act as though you had. As Christians, we are called (by God) to live in truth. Living in truth is much greater than refraining from telling lies.
But in the days of adam and eve...there was no gov't...no laws (other than Gods law). No inheritance laws (who else is your stuff gonna go to? There was nobody else to claim ownership).
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It seems like you aren't in any position to judge me as our personal lives aren't even really your business to begin with. I mean I don't mind the questions but now you're going too far.
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I am saying there has to be official witnesses and official papers. Where and how this is arranged is up to you and your witnesses. For example, if you wish your vows to be witnessed by a Catholic priest, there may be pre-marriage counseling or even a pre-marriage course. If one gets married at city hall, I suspect only the proper paperwork is filed. Probably the same for people who have online permission to conduct a wedding ceremony.
What about Adam and Eve? It's not as if they had paper and pens, or even a rock and hieroglyphics (as there was yet to be tools or alphabet). However, it is known to this day they were husband and wife. In Biblical times, it was accepted spoken words had power. This came to us via oral tradition which was, much later, put into the written word.
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We're not Catholics.
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I am not judging you. What do you think there is for me to judge? You were asking about marriage. Presenting facts about marriage is not a judgment of anyone. I regret you feel you have been placed in a position where you judged yourself, but that is your judgment, not mine. It's not as if I never found myself in your exact position.
In fact, since I made it through my situation, I have every confidence you will, too. My only advice to you is reflect on these two questions: What is it you want? What is it you are willing to settle for? How do the answers to these two questions reflect truth, keeping in mind individual or subjective truth is not always objective truth.
Offering something to think over is never judgment. Remember, it is your choice to dismiss all I write as nothing worth thinking over! I wish you well.
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So what? That has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. (old proverb)
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Isn't the Bible contradicting itself then? Or was Mary the exception to the rule? I don't trust the Bible one hundred percent anyways and this is why. I'm a believer in God not man because more often than not men can't seem to get their stories straight.
The sin is not pregnancy. The sin is fornication--sex before marriage.
Mary was pregnant but she did not fornicate. So Jesus wasn't conceived in sin.
SweetSue92
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I don't think anyone is judging you personally. We're just telling you what the Bible says. It's a difficult book bc it convicts us ALL.
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You don't have to be Catholic to read over and over in the Bible what sex is meant for, and not meant for.
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