Chicago shootings up nearly 200 percent in 2016

[Vigilante]

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

 

[Care4all]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

 

[Vigilante]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

The easy answer you don't want to hear, it's just like murder....you execute them, and you do it within 3 months...period.

 

[Hossfly]

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

It appears the thugs have gun control.

 

[S.J.]

We must pass new laws to make it harder for their victims to get guns. We don't want anyone shooting back.

 

[Fueri]

It's been warm here. Typically it's too cold in January to be running around playing shoot the neighbors.

This year it's been fiiiiiine shootin weather, so it'll be fun to watch the grabbers and warmers scramble over each other, and the bodies, of course, to get to the cameras to hype their causes...

 

[August West]

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

Quite an improvement from the 80`s and 90`s.
Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Brain357]

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

They have concealed carry now, shouldn't crime be going down?

 

[Conservative65]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't stop illegal gun trade. That's why it's called illegal.

All this push for background checks and no one has explained to me how the criminal that stole a gun from my locked car is going to have a check done on him.

 

[Care4all]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't stop illegal gun trade. That's why it's called illegal.

All this push for background checks and no one has explained to me how the criminal that stole a gun from my locked car is going to have a check done on him.

guns stolen from individuals account for only 10% of guns used in crimes.... 90% of guns used in crimes are NOT stolen from us.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting
Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.
According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."
The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.
Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.
While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

 

[dannyboys]

A tiny fraction of illegal guns used by negro thugs, (let's be honest. They are committing the vast majority of gun related murders) are in fact stolen from legal gun owners. That's a fucking LIB myth.
The VAST majority of illegal guns used to commit murder are supplied to the inner city gang bangers by Mexican Drug Cartels. The Cartels smuggle in the heroin/cocaine and the cheap C. European 'knock-off' hand guns. Glock for instance has been trying for years to stop their products being copied by C. European arms manufacturers with no success.
The drugs and the illegal guns end up in the same hands on the same street corners of every inner city negro shithole in the country.
Incidentally there's basically no profit for the Cartels selling illegal guns to the gang-bangers. The Cartels provide the guns so the inner city negroes can try to defend themselves from their drug dealing cousin across the street. Basically the Cartels don't want their distribution system to be wiped out.

 

[dannyboys]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't stop illegal gun trade. That's why it's called illegal.

All this push for background checks and no one has explained to me how the criminal that stole a gun from my locked car is going to have a check done on him.

guns stolen from individuals account for only 10% of guns used in crimes.... 90% of guns used in crimes are NOT stolen from us.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting
Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.
According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."
The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.
Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.
While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

The 'study' you quoted from is22 years old. It has zero relation to what's happening today. The Mexican drug Cartels took over virtually 100% of the illegal gun trade starting a decade ago.
'Straw purchases, thefts now account for about 5% of the illegal guns on the street. There is NO SUCH THING as a 'gun show dealer' selling hundreds of legal guns at gun shows anymore.
100% of legal registered gun dealers will turn in any 'illegal' gun dealer in.
Legal gun dealers are like legal vintage car collectors. They all know each other across the country. Someone new shows up at a gunshow who nobody knows and puts a tableful of handguns on their table for sale EVERY other gun dealer is at that table LONG before the doors open. They'll know in a minute all about the new seller.
Any red flags go up and someone calls the authorities.

 

[2aguy]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't. What you can do is put them in jail when you catch them.....the problem has been the prosecutors and judges. They are not taking gun crimes seriously, especially possession of a gun by a convicted felon. They are letting them out and then they go and kill people. We need to seriously look at why they are not putting these criminals away for a long time.

In Japan.....the country the gun grabbers point to.....they have massive sentences for gun crime...they have made it toxic for known criminals to carry guns....and on top of that, if a minion of a crime boss is caught with a gun, they fine the crime boss. In Japan....losing money is the worst thing you can do to a Yakuza.....

That is how Japan controls guns in their criminal underworld.

 

[2aguy]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't stop illegal gun trade. That's why it's called illegal.

All this push for background checks and no one has explained to me how the criminal that stole a gun from my locked car is going to have a check done on him.

guns stolen from individuals account for only 10% of guns used in crimes.... 90% of guns used in crimes are NOT stolen from us.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting
Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.
According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."
The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.
Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.
While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

I have posted stories of gun traffickers caught through informants....who only get 3 years...and they will usually be out in under 2 years. They need to increase the sentences for actual gun traffickers.

 

[2aguy]

CBS ^ | Adriana Diaz
CHICAGO -- On average, one person has been shot every three hours in Chicago since January 1st. Just two hours into the New Year, 24-year-old Deandre Holiday was gunned down after a fight at a New Year's Eve party spilled into the street. He's Chicago's first homicide of what's so far been a bloody 2016. Since January 1st, 110 people have been shot -- compared to 37 during the same time last year. That's a nearly 200 percent increase.

They have concealed carry now, shouldn't crime be going down?

They don't have enough police, and the gangs control their aldermen....there is only so much concealed carry can do...and it was only passed 2 years ago...it takes about 5 years for the word to spread through the criminal underworld not to attack peolpe...since they can now shoot back...the 2 recent shootings of thugs by store clerks will go a long way to teaching that lesson....also, the Uber driver who stopped the mass shooting, and the other concealed carrier who stopped the shooting at the party.....those stories will help lower the crime rate.

But when democrats run a city...there is only so much armed citizens can do....

 

[KissMy]

So the increased shootings are all Chicago's new CCW holders killing the criminals?

 

[2aguy]

Are all Chicago's new CCW holders now killing the criminals?

All....no....but the stories are making the news.

 

[2aguy]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

This is the problem......from today...This is why we have so much gun murder in our criminal sub culture....this is the problem that needs to be fixed...look at this guy...and he was put back on the street after several felony convictions for guns.....

Delaware Prosecutes Just 29% of Gun Charges - The Truth About Guns

The following story was buried in the middle of deleware.com’s post In Del., 71% of gun charges are dropped. While the article offers cases that seem to justify dropping weapons charges against criminals — in an attempt to increase the possibility of conviction and, thus, jail time — this anecdote puts things into their proper perspective . .

.

Then there is the case of Mateo Pinkston [above].


In late summer 2011, court documents say Pinkston walked up to a man, pointed a gun at him and took his cellphone.

Pinkston, who had already been convicted of two felonies and was a suspect in a still-unsolved homicide, was arrested by Wilmington police and charged with robbery and several gun counts.

But the Delaware Attorney General’s Office cut a deal with him in 2012, agreeing to drop three weapon charges that carried a maximum of 41 years in prison in exchange for Pinkston admitting to second-degree robbery and terroristic threatening, which carried a maximum of eight years in prison.
Soon after being released from his 12-month prison sentence, Pinkston, police said, shot and killed 25-year-old Arteise Brown in Wilmington last year.

​

Again, the article provides multiple examples of criminals who pleaded guilty to other charges in exchange for dropping weapon offenses, and drew lengthy sentences. Some of them make sense, some of them seem absurd on their face. But there’s a stat missing from this piece . . .

How may people convicted of violent crimes had gun-related charges dropped before they committed a serious crime? Men like Mateo Pinkston. I’m willing to bet it’s a high percentage. Besides, wouldn’t prosecuting gun offenses — no matter what the outcome — send a message to criminals not commit crimes with firearms? Just a thought . . .

 

[Conservative65]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't stop illegal gun trade. That's why it's called illegal.

All this push for background checks and no one has explained to me how the criminal that stole a gun from my locked car is going to have a check done on him.

guns stolen from individuals account for only 10% of guns used in crimes.... 90% of guns used in crimes are NOT stolen from us.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting
Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.
In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.
The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that's where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.
According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."
The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.
Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.
While many guns are taken off the street when people are arrested and any firearms in their possession are confiscated, a new study shows how easily arrestees believe they could illegally acquire another firearm. Supported by the National Institute of Justice and based on interviews with those recently arrested, the study acknowledges gun theft is common, with 13 percent of all arrestees interviewed admitting that they had stolen a gun. However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
ATF officials say that only about 8% of the nation's 124,000 retail gun dealers sell the majority of handguns that are used in crimes. They conclude that these licensed retailers are part of a block of rogue entrepreneurs tempted by the big profits of gun trafficking. Cracking down on these dealers continues to be a priority for the ATF. What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally. But he says, "Let's be honest. If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

The 'study' you quoted from is22 years old. It has zero relation to what's happening today. The Mexican drug Cartels took over virtually 100% of the illegal gun trade starting a decade ago.
'Straw purchases, thefts now account for about 5% of the illegal guns on the street. There is NO SUCH THING as a 'gun show dealer' selling hundreds of legal guns at gun shows anymore.
100% of legal registered gun dealers will turn in any 'illegal' gun dealer in.
Legal gun dealers are like legal vintage car collectors. They all know each other across the country. Someone new shows up at a gunshow who nobody knows and puts a tableful of handguns on their table for sale EVERY other gun dealer is at that table LONG before the doors open. They'll know in a minute all about the new seller.
Any red flags go up and someone calls the authorities.

That's what they do then claim the rest of us live in the past.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

How did these non-responsible perps get their guns? legally? illegally? if illegally, how do we STOP the illegal trade in guns?

You can't. What you can do is put them in jail when you catch them.....the problem has been the prosecutors and judges. They are not taking gun crimes seriously, especially possession of a gun by a convicted felon. They are letting them out and then they go and kill people. We need to seriously look at why they are not putting these criminals away for a long time.

In Japan.....the country the gun grabbers point to.....they have massive sentences for gun crime...they have made it toxic for known criminals to carry guns....and on top of that, if a minion of a crime boss is caught with a gun, they fine the crime boss. In Japan....losing money is the worst thing you can do to a Yakuza.....

That is how Japan controls guns in their criminal underworld.

Mandatory death penalty for gun crimes.