Chicago Is Acting Like Southern Democrats Before The Civil War

[mudwhistle]

 

[Hafar1014]

No, he's asserting his legal authority over the city, as is the governor.

Trump is the one escalating this situation unnecessarily.



Naw, Vallas would have been far worse.

President Trump says crime is rampant in U.S. cities, while his critics assert that it is under control and dropping. Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen to select cities to fight crime, while an Associated Press report asserts that the president’s “rhetoric” mirrors that of “conservatives going back decades who have denounced cities, especially those with majority nonwhite populations or led by progressives, as lawless or crime-ridden and in need of outside intervention.”

So, have our cities become crime-ridden and unpleasant, or are they safe and livable?

Newly released results from the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey go a long way toward answering those questions. The survey finds that the rate of violent crime in urban areas increased by 61% from 2019 to 2024.

That crime spike was found only in cities. In suburban and rural areas, the observed increase in violent crime over that same span—4% and 2%, respectively—wasn’t statistically significant.

In 2019, before George Floyd, pandemic closures and the defund-the-police movement, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was roughly identical to the rate nationwide. In 2024, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was 46% higher than the nationwide rate and 104% higher—more than double—the rural rate.

Property crime has long been more prevalent in cities than elsewhere, but that gap has widened. In 2019 the property-crime rate was 51% higher in urban areas than it was nationwide; in 2024 it was 86% higher. The number of property-crime victimizations in 2024 per 1,000 households was 181.6 in urban areas, 96.1 in suburban areas, and 48.3 in rural areas.

Rather than relying on police reports, the National Crime Victimization Survey asks U.S. residents whether they were a crime victim in recent months. If so, it asks about the nature of the crime, the demographics of those involved, and whether the crime was reported to police. The nation’s largest crime survey, it has been conducted since the Nixon administration.

One thing the survey can’t measure is homicide rates, as it’s a survey of victims. Murders are the easiest crime to count, however, so police statistics in this realm should be quite reliable. Homicide counts in two cities to which Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen largely match the survey findings for recent crime trends.

In the District of Columbia, the number of homicides rose 13% from 2019 to 2024 and 61% from 2017 to 2024. In Portland, Ore., homicides almost doubled from 2019 to 2024, to 71 from 36. While it’s true that both these cities had even more murders in 2021 and 2022 than in 2024, that shows how high their murder numbers spiked before falling back down somewhat.

As for the demographics of crime, the survey finds that the likelihood that whites, blacks and Hispanics will be victims of violent crimes essentially matches their percentage of the population. A majority (52%) of incidents involving black victims also featured black offenders, a result not true for any other racial group.

The primary reason black residents weren’t disproportionately likely to be crime victims—despite this high rate of intraracial crime—is that there are comparatively few crimes committed against black victims by white offenders. White residents made up 60% of the population yet were offenders in only 7% of incidents involving black victims.

The most overlooked U.S. crime story in recent years has been the huge crime spike in our cities. When violent crime doesn’t rise in suburban or rural areas but rises 61% in urban areas, that should be big news. Mr. Trump is right that American cities aren’t nearly as safe as they were before “systemic racism” became a familiar accusation and “defund the police” became a rallying cry.

Mr. Anderson is president of the American Main Street Initiative. He served as director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2017-21.

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[Rawley]

Okay, first, the 100,000 number is utter bullshit. I put a lot of the blame on the CPD, which will list anyone as a "Gang member".

Secondly, ICE isn't there for "gang activity", it's there to enforce immigration law. Most gang members are citizens.

THird, the military are not the police. This is why most sensible people SHOULD be concerned that he is deploying National Guard to do police work. That's not their job in peacetime.

Woooosh. RIght over your head. Your cult is completely comfortable with 100,000 gang members in your community, but you literally shit your pants at the thought 200 Nat Guard in a population of 2,600,000.

Get a grip on yourselves and drop the Trump hate, for the sake of your neighbors.

 

[JoeB131]

Woooosh. RIght over your head. Your cult is completely comfortable with 100,000 gang members in your community, but you literally shit your pants at the thought 200 Nat Guard in a population of 2,600,000.

Get a grip on yourselves and drop the Trump hate, for the sake of your neighbors.

Because there aren't 100K gang members.

I've been in the National Guard.... trust me, everyone should be worried about the National Guard being out there with loaded guns. They aren't trained for law enforcement.

 

[Hafar1014]

Because there aren't 100K gang members.

I've been in the National Guard.... trust me, everyone should be worried about the National Guard being out there with loaded guns. They aren't trained for law enforcement.

President Trump says crime is rampant in U.S. cities, while his critics assert that it is under control and dropping. Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen to select cities to fight crime, while an Associated Press report asserts that the president’s “rhetoric” mirrors that of “conservatives going back decades who have denounced cities, especially those with majority nonwhite populations or led by progressives, as lawless or crime-ridden and in need of outside intervention.”

So, have our cities become crime-ridden and unpleasant, or are they safe and livable?

Newly released results from the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey go a long way toward answering those questions. The survey finds that the rate of violent crime in urban areas increased by 61% from 2019 to 2024.

That crime spike was found only in cities. In suburban and rural areas, the observed increase in violent crime over that same span—4% and 2%, respectively—wasn’t statistically significant.

In 2019, before George Floyd, pandemic closures and the defund-the-police movement, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was roughly identical to the rate nationwide. In 2024, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was 46% higher than the nationwide rate and 104% higher—more than double—the rural rate.

Property crime has long been more prevalent in cities than elsewhere, but that gap has widened. In 2019 the property-crime rate was 51% higher in urban areas than it was nationwide; in 2024 it was 86% higher. The number of property-crime victimizations in 2024 per 1,000 households was 181.6 in urban areas, 96.1 in suburban areas, and 48.3 in rural areas.

Rather than relying on police reports, the National Crime Victimization Survey asks U.S. residents whether they were a crime victim in recent months. If so, it asks about the nature of the crime, the demographics of those involved, and whether the crime was reported to police. The nation’s largest crime survey, it has been conducted since the Nixon administration.

One thing the survey can’t measure is homicide rates, as it’s a survey of victims. Murders are the easiest crime to count, however, so police statistics in this realm should be quite reliable. Homicide counts in two cities to which Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen largely match the survey findings for recent crime trends.

In the District of Columbia, the number of homicides rose 13% from 2019 to 2024 and 61% from 2017 to 2024. In Portland, Ore., homicides almost doubled from 2019 to 2024, to 71 from 36. While it’s true that both these cities had even more murders in 2021 and 2022 than in 2024, that shows how high their murder numbers spiked before falling back down somewhat.

As for the demographics of crime, the survey finds that the likelihood that whites, blacks and Hispanics will be victims of violent crimes essentially matches their percentage of the population. A majority (52%) of incidents involving black victims also featured black offenders, a result not true for any other racial group.

The primary reason black residents weren’t disproportionately likely to be crime victims—despite this high rate of intraracial crime—is that there are comparatively few crimes committed against black victims by white offenders. White residents made up 60% of the population yet were offenders in only 7% of incidents involving black victims.

The most overlooked U.S. crime story in recent years has been the huge crime spike in our cities. When violent crime doesn’t rise in suburban or rural areas but rises 61% in urban areas, that should be big news. Mr. Trump is right that American cities aren’t nearly as safe as they were before “systemic racism” became a familiar accusation and “defund the police” became a rallying cry.

Mr. Anderson is president of the American Main Street Initiative. He served as director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2017-21.

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[Blaster]

The origin of the Democrat party is the Confederacy.

 

[JoeB131]

President Trump says crime is rampant in U.S. cities,

Trump lies.

I see you didn't put a link to that shit you just posted, probably because even you are too embarrassed by it.

Crime has been on the decline since 2021. There's no reason to deploy the National Guard to cities, other than Trump wanting to look "tough".

 

[Hafar1014]

Trump lies.

I see you didn't put a link to that shit you just posted, probably because even you are too embarrassed by it.

Crime has been on the decline since 2021. There's no reason to deploy the National Guard to cities, other than Trump wanting to look "tough".

Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-urban-crime-spike-is-real-555b7410?mod=opinion_more_article_pos29

Democrats stopped reporting crime and tried to cover up the increases especially since it increased only in their cities. Why? Defund police policies and importing thousands of illegal criminals
President Trump says crime is rampant in U.S. cities, while his critics assert that it is under control and dropping. Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen to select cities to fight crime, while an Associated Press report asserts that the president’s “rhetoric” mirrors that of “conservatives going back decades who have denounced cities, especially those with majority nonwhite populations or led by progressives, as lawless or crime-ridden and in need of outside intervention.”

So, have our cities become crime-ridden and unpleasant, or are they safe and livable?

Newly released results from the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey go a long way toward answering those questions. The survey finds that the rate of violent crime in urban areas increased by 61% from 2019 to 2024.

That crime spike was found only in cities. In suburban and rural areas, the observed increase in violent crime over that same span—4% and 2%, respectively—wasn’t statistically significant.

In 2019, before George Floyd, pandemic closures and the defund-the-police movement, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was roughly identical to the rate nationwide. In 2024, the rate of violent crime in urban areas was 46% higher than the nationwide rate and 104% higher—more than double—the rural rate.

Property crime has long been more prevalent in cities than elsewhere, but that gap has widened. In 2019 the property-crime rate was 51% higher in urban areas than it was nationwide; in 2024 it was 86% higher. The number of property-crime victimizations in 2024 per 1,000 households was 181.6 in urban areas, 96.1 in suburban areas, and 48.3 in rural areas.

Rather than relying on police reports, the National Crime Victimization Survey asks U.S. residents whether they were a crime victim in recent months. If so, it asks about the nature of the crime, the demographics of those involved, and whether the crime was reported to police. The nation’s largest crime survey, it has been conducted since the Nixon administration.

One thing the survey can’t measure is homicide rates, as it’s a survey of victims. Murders are the easiest crime to count, however, so police statistics in this realm should be quite reliable. Homicide counts in two cities to which Mr. Trump has sent National Guardsmen largely match the survey findings for recent crime trends.

In the District of Columbia, the number of homicides rose 13% from 2019 to 2024 and 61% from 2017 to 2024. In Portland, Ore., homicides almost doubled from 2019 to 2024, to 71 from 36. While it’s true that both these cities had even more murders in 2021 and 2022 than in 2024, that shows how high their murder numbers spiked before falling back down somewhat.

As for the demographics of crime, the survey finds that the likelihood that whites, blacks and Hispanics will be victims of violent crimes essentially matches their percentage of the population. A majority (52%) of incidents involving black victims also featured black offenders, a result not true for any other racial group.

The primary reason black residents weren’t disproportionately likely to be crime victims—despite this high rate of intraracial crime—is that there are comparatively few crimes committed against black victims by white offenders. White residents made up 60% of the population yet were offenders in only 7% of incidents involving black victims.

The most overlooked U.S. crime story in recent years has been the huge crime spike in our cities. When violent crime doesn’t rise in suburban or rural areas but rises 61% in urban areas, that should be big news. Mr. Trump is right that American cities aren’t nearly as safe as they were before “systemic racism” became a familiar accusation and “defund the police” became a rallying cry.

Mr. Anderson is president of the American Main Street Initiative. He served as director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2017-21.

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[Rawley]

Because there aren't 100K gang members.

OK Chicago Police are lying. But your beloved Mayor and Faboi Gov are truthtellers? LOL

I've been in the National Guard.... trust me, everyone should be worried about the National Guard being out there with loaded guns. They aren't trained for law enforcement.

Don't project your ineptitude onto others. They aren't doing law enforcement. They are protecting their fellow Federal officers.

 

[Rambunctious]

A civil war is coming....

 

[JoeB131]

OK Chicago Police are lying. But your beloved Mayor and Faboi Gov are truthtellers? LOL

You mean the CPD that regularly lied so often that the State had to require them to wear body cams?

Here's the problem with the CPD's "Gang Database". It was so incredibly flawed the city had to make them shut it down, because a lot of innocent folks were being added to it.

Oversight commission shuts down Chicago Police gang database

Twice over the last five years, the city's Inspector General laid into the CPD for its out-of-date database that contained jaw dropping mistakes amid allegations that it was deeply discriminatory.

www.cbsnews.com

Over the years, 134,242 people entered the CPD gang database through any number of entry points. Of the people entered, 95 percent were Black or Latinx.

A total of 90 people were listed as over 117 years old or older, and some listed were as young as 7.

"There was nobody fact-checking and scraping and scrubbing the database to check for accuracy," said Driver. "It's Chicago. We have a very tough history that we've got to deal with. A lot of things like that has happened in our past, and we're trying to right these wrongs."

More Than 3 Years After Watchdog Warned Chicago Police Gang Databases Were ‘Deeply Flawed,’ New System Poised to Launch Despite Objections

The interim Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability will hold a virtual meeting at 6:30 p.m. Monday to discuss a draft of the policy that would govern the new gang database, dubbed the Criminal Enterprise Information System.

news.wttw.com

Don't project your ineptitude onto others. They aren't doing law enforcement. They are protecting their fellow Federal officers.

YOu mean they are out there with loaded guns with a situation they aren't trained for.

Do you know what National Guard Civil Disturbance training consisted of when I was in? One day of Training in December, and we didn't even have enough batons to go around to practice with.

Now, this was back in the 1980's or maybe the 1990s, but I doubt it's improved since then.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You mean the CPD that regularly lied so often that the State had to require them to wear body cams?

Here's the problem with the CPD's "Gang Database". It was so incredibly flawed the city had to make them shut it down, because a lot of innocent folks were being added to it.

Oversight commission shuts down Chicago Police gang database

Twice over the last five years, the city's Inspector General laid into the CPD for its out-of-date database that contained jaw dropping mistakes amid allegations that it was deeply discriminatory.

www.cbsnews.com

Over the years, 134,242 people entered the CPD gang database through any number of entry points. Of the people entered, 95 percent were Black or Latinx.

A total of 90 people were listed as over 117 years old or older, and some listed were as young as 7.

"There was nobody fact-checking and scraping and scrubbing the database to check for accuracy," said Driver. "It's Chicago. We have a very tough history that we've got to deal with. A lot of things like that has happened in our past, and we're trying to right these wrongs."

More Than 3 Years After Watchdog Warned Chicago Police Gang Databases Were ‘Deeply Flawed,’ New System Poised to Launch Despite Objections

The interim Community Commission for Public Safety and Accountability will hold a virtual meeting at 6:30 p.m. Monday to discuss a draft of the policy that would govern the new gang database, dubbed the Criminal Enterprise Information System.

news.wttw.com

YOu mean they are out there with loaded guns with a situation they aren't trained for.

Do you know what National Guard Civil Disturbance training consisted of when I was in? One day of Training in December, and we didn't even have enough batons to go around to practice with.

Now, this was back in the 1980's or maybe the 1990s, but I doubt it's improved since then.

I think you will find that the NG of today is a whole different animal than when you were in. They are combat units with multiple deployments now; they were what we in the Reserves and on active duty called "Campus Commandos" back then. Poorly trained, poorly led and utterly non-motivated.

 

[JoeB131]

I think you will find that the NG of today is a whole different animal than when you were in. They are combat units with multiple deployments now; they were what we in the Reserves and on active duty called "Campus Commandos" back then. Poorly trained, poorly led and utterly non-motivated.

I kind of doubt it.

If anything, that probably makes it worse. But today's NG is about as far removed from the "War on an Emotional State" as it was in my day vis-a-vis Vietnam.

We had a lot of Vietnam Vets in our unit.

Now, here's the thing. When I was in the IL Guard, we had six Infantry battalions.

Today, the IL Guard has 2 Infantry Battalions.

And I promise you, they are probably spending about one day on CD training, just like we did.

The thing is that when WE did CD Training, Kent State was still fresh in everyone's mind. Is it today?

A very wise Battalion XO said to us during one CD Training session, "If we are called out on CD Duty, those people are not the enemy, they are our fellow citizens, they are damned angry about something, and they have every right to be."

Given the rhetoric currently coming out of Trump right now, I don't think this wisdom is still there.

 

[beagle9]

Because there aren't 100K gang members.

I've been in the National Guard.... trust me, everyone should be worried about the National Guard being out there with loaded guns. They aren't trained for law enforcement.

Well they should be ok now that you aren't there anymore...

Bring in the NG...

 

[beagle9]

I kind of doubt it.

If anything, that probably makes it worse. But today's NG is about as far removed from the "War on an Emotional State" as it was in my day vis-a-vis Vietnam.

We had a lot of Vietnam Vets in our unit.

Now, here's the thing. When I was in the IL Guard, we had six Infantry battalions.

Today, the IL Guard has 2 Infantry Battalions.

And I promise you, they are probably spending about one day on CD training, just like we did.

The thing is that when WE did CD Training, Kent State was still fresh in everyone's mind. Is it today?

A very wise Battalion XO said to us during one CD Training session, "If we are called out on CD Duty, those people are not the enemy, they are our fellow citizens, they are damned angry about something, and they have every right to be."

Given the rhetoric currently coming out of Trump right now, I don't think this wisdom is still there.

So you just made a strong case as to why Hegseth is now having to "de-democrat policy" the National guard aka the US military. Thanks

 

[JoeB131]

Well they should be ok now that you aren't there anymore...

Bring in the NG...

Well, um, no, the Guard had all sorts of problems when it was abused during the War on Terror.

So you just made a strong case as to why Hegseth is now having to "de-democrat policy" the National guard aka the US military. Thanks

Hegseth is a drunken clown. I doubt he lasts a year.