Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed at Utah Valley University

Good question to start a thread or poll.

Are we?

Really?

One of the leading voices for engaging others in dialogue was just murdered for his views (and I think effectiveness)

Edit to add: There are voices here on USMB who are being allowed to revel in it, taunt over it and otherwise try to justify it, with LIES.
Yes. That is why Kirk was murdered.

The Left wants free rein to indoctrinate students into their world view, and in order to do that, they need to delegitimize and silence expression of the other side. That is why they scream Fascist! Hitler! Nazi! Racist! at everyone who disagrees with them.

Kirk in particular was a threat to them. He was exposing students to the lies and brainwashing students were receiving, and he was INDEED effective. He showed them, calmly and respectively, how what they were being taught was wrong.

The Left can’t tolerate that, as they need an ignorant, brainwashed electorate to win elections, so they ramped up the demonization and delegitimization. As a result, a troubled young man believed the lies - and KILLED him.

It is obviously what radical leftists wanted, and that’s why they’re celebrating. Even worse - they are calling for their next victim, and I fear they have Miller in their cross-hairs.
 
I'm saying establishing an individual's mental competence before authorizing his acquisition of firearms is a responsible policy, given the level of gun carnage in the U.S.
that is exactly what we on the right have been saying for decades.
 
an individual's mental competence before authorizing his acquisition of firearms is a responsible policy, given the level of gun carnage in the U.S...
that is exactly what we on the right have been saying for decades.
Good. Citation, please. When? Where?
 
Its out there little girl. You just post w/o reading threads like so many.//

then i call bullshit on that claim, big guy. i know I always back up what i claim. MAGAt here? not so much.
 
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any smart man is always prepared,,

thats why we have a 2nd amendment,,
No need for any war or anything like it..... All that is needed is to enact laws against the activities of certain group's, otherwise for whom engage in certain activities that are directly related to the trouble and/or actions that have been in play or have been taken by the group because of said certain activities.

The evidence is overwhelming now, but if it is ignored because of feelings or the worry-ation of offending the group or individual's within the group, then the proverbial can will be kicked down the road until the next tragedy takes place.
 
nope he didn't. btw - the same gov that said a family member claims the shooter was a lefty - also said he lived with his parents. so which is true - did he live w/ his folks or in a 3 bedroom place with a tranny?
Turns out his lover was a tranny.
 
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Notsomuch about the gun stuff, boy. :1peleas:
Everything else was OK, though.
That 2nd Amendment should not be restricted as much as it is.
The gun in the car law in FL is maddening.
You gotta have it in a rag and 2 steps to this and wtf ever.
It's ridiculous. Know what it is if in FL though. You need to have your gun wrapped in a rag and in the glovebox or under the seat, I think that's legal. Ask a Florida Trooper or..my favorite people! FWC will know.
I'd ask the Troopers if it was me. :eek2yum:
Going astray of the law in FL is really not a good idea. They got a place for ya.
They do not discriminate. You break the law, you go to the place. Simple.
No, I'm not attacking the 2nd at all, otherwise good people should always be ok to buy guns and protect themselves.

Like a surgeon doing surgery, this is the method that should be used in order to remove from the bad guys (their guns), otherwise to do so where it absolutely never affects the good people and their 2nd Amendment Rights.
 
Be serious. Why would a conservative Trump supporter assassinate another conservative Trump supporter?

there is a theory out there that he was a 'groyper' & if you want to know start here - this article was written in 2019:

Charlie Kirk's Culture War, Groypers, Nickers and Q&A-trolling​

Since mid-October, Charlie Kirk’s Culture War tour has been increasingly haunted by the Groyper Q&A-trolls, who use the Q&A section to frame Kirk as a cuck.
Ico Maly

Charlie Kirk, his Culture War Tour and Groyper trolls

[ groypers are nick fuentes' followers ]

or this little gem from a few weeks ago, b4 kirk was murdered ... you can skip to the good part starting at the 7:00 min. mark :

 
No, I'm not attacking the 2nd at all, otherwise good people should always be ok to buy guns and protect themselves.

Like a surgeon doing surgery, this is the method that should be used in order to remove from the bad guys (their guns), otherwise to do so where it absolutely never affects the good people and their 2nd Amendment Rights.
A lot of not so smart people actually need access to guns to keep bad people from around their places.
This is America, and it is what it is.
I'd rather have the dumb one grandma having a gun and shooting the peeping Tom that probably was looking to be a rapist/murderer to her family.
 
Like a surgeon doing surgery, this is the method that should be used in order to remove from the bad guys (their guns)...
Axiom:
1: If a bad guy - a convicted criminal - is so dangerous to society cannot be trusted with a firearm, he should not be released from incarceration.
2: If a nutjob - an institutionalized mental case - is so dangerous to society cannot be trusted with a firearm, he should not be released from institutionalization.
Corollary:
If you aren't in prison or a mental institution, you have a the right to own and use a gun, as protected by the 2nd.


 
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A lot of not so smart people actually need access to guns to keep bad people from around their places.
This is America, and it is what it is.
I'd rather have the dumb one grandma having a gun and shooting the peeping Tom that probably was looking to be a rapist/murderer to her family.
You can be dumb without being bad... This is a bad vs good issue or a good vs evil issue plain and simple.
 
Axiom:
1: If a bad guy - a convicted criminal - is so dangerous to society cannot be trusted with a firearm, he should not be released from incarceration.
2: If a nutjob - an institutionalized mental case - is so dangerous to society cannot be trusted with a firearm, he should not be released from institutionalization.
Corollary:
If you aren't in prison or a mental institution, you have a the right to own and use a gun, as protected by the 2nd.
If a gang is running around with illegal guns in Chicago for example, and they are threatening, intimidating, and killing people with those guns, then you are saying that there is no way to remove the guns from these gangs or bad individual's who are free to just do their anarchy and intimidation with those weapons because of their 2nd amendment rights ??

So what's your plan then ? Remember the chit's been going on now for decades.
 
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