Charleston Massacre Victims get $88 Million Settlement

[Otis Mayfield]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

 

[Oddball]

The law failing is evidence that more laws are needed!

 

[surada]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

Wow.. Yes, how can we improve background checks?

 

[Ringel05]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

Sounds to me like a clerical error was most likely to blame for the NICB failure in this instance.

 

[TNHarley]

You guys know me, when the govt shows their ability to fuck things up, i am on the front line demanding we give them more power. Because thats the logical thing to do!

 

[Abatis]

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

How many times will this next fix be? After the NICS Improvement Act of 2007 after VATech, Obunghole's useless 2013 Executive Actions on guns after Sandy Hook, after another NICS Improvement Act in 2017 after Sutherland Springs Texas shooting, which was blamed on the Dept of Defense who never submitted a single 922(g) action the DoD ever adjudicated to the FBI . . . Allowing a wackadoodle buy a gun who should have been prohibited and then kill 26 innocents in a church.

Again and again laws are passed and EO's / EA's are signed to compel states and all agencies that adjudicate 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(1-9) dispossessions, to submit records in a timely manner.

And they still don't . . .

The background system is a joke.

Just ponder for a moment and put a number in your head of how many people you think are in the USA who are prohibited from owning and acquiring a gun and ammo.

Here's the list of offenses and prohibitory criteria to impose a lifetime ban of gun ownership, that's anyone who is or was:

• convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• who is a fugitive from justice;
• who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);
• who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
• who is an illegal alien;
• who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
• who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Do you have a number in your head, of how many records a good comprehensive background check database should have?


Well, here's what they are working with:
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Active Records in the NICS Indices | Federal Bureau of Investigation

A listing of the active records in NICS Indices as of June 30, 2023.

www.fbi.gov

So, how did you do?

Do you feel like government is doing a good job?

 

[progressive hunter]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

so they admitted the law doesnt work,, time to repeal it and move on with our lives,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

The NRA has been working to improve the NICS since its inception.
In fact, we have the NICS because of the NRA.

What we -really- need is a legislative mandate for the FBI/ATF to investigate all "deny" results and for the DoJ to prosecute all cases where a violation of the law was found.

 

[whitehall]

Funny the survivors of the most notorious school shooting in history in Va. Tech Blacksburg didn't sue the state or the local government when an obviously insane student was allowed to purchase firearms because of a glitch in the name check that didn't uncover court ordered psychiatric counseling which he never attended after the local jurisdiction dropped stalking charges filed by two female students.

 

[2aguy]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

No…..the government failed to upload his information…..it is their fault

 

[Otis Mayfield]

No…..the government failed to upload his information…..it is their fault

Is this because congress won't let the FBI have a modern computer system to do background check with?

The way I understand it is that the FBI or ATF has to use an old system that is very inefficient.

- IMPROVING THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

www.govinfo.gov

 

[Abatis]

Funny the survivors of the most notorious school shooting in history in Va. Tech Blacksburg didn't sue the state or the local government when an obviously insane student was allowed to purchase firearms because of a glitch in the name check that didn't uncover court ordered psychiatric counseling which he never attended after the local jurisdiction dropped stalking charges filed by two female students.

You are overstating the degree of involvement of authorities and mental health professionals. Cho was not diagnosed or committed nor did any proceeding or determination ever reach the level required to impress a legal firearm dispossession.

An argument could be made he fell through the cracks, that he needed more than outpatient services but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't "allowed" to buy a gun, his case never reached the process to legally stop him getting a gun.

Pages 40 -61 cover the mental heath services and the deficiencies in the system:

https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/prevail/docs/April16ReportRev20091204.pdf

 

[2aguy]

Is this because congress won't let the FBI have a modern computer system to do background check with?

The way I understand it is that the FBI or ATF has to use an old system that is very inefficient.

- IMPROVING THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

www.govinfo.gov

wont let? That's just stupid. The government is full of waste, fraud and abuse…..and incompetence. They have lots of money and they waste it or steal it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

How many times will this next fix be? After the NICS Improvement Act of 2007 after VATech, Obunghole's useless 2013 Executive Actions on guns after Sandy Hook, after another NICS Improvement Act in 2017 after Sutherland Springs Texas shooting, which was blamed on the Dept of Defense who never submitted a single 922(g) action the DoD ever adjudicated to the FBI . . . Allowing a wackadoodle buy a gun who should have been prohibited and then kill 26 innocents in a church.

Again and again laws are passed and EO's / EA's are signed to compel states and all agencies that adjudicate 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(1-9) dispossessions, to submit records in a timely manner.

And they still don't . . .

The background system is a joke.

Just ponder for a moment and put a number in your head of how many people you think are in the USA who are prohibited from owning and acquiring a gun and ammo.

Here's the list of offenses and prohibitory criteria to impose a lifetime ban of gun ownership, that's anyone who is or was:

• convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• who is a fugitive from justice;
• who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);
• who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
• who is an illegal alien;
• who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
• who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Do you have a number in your head, of how many records a good comprehensive background check database should have?


Well, here's what they are working with:
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View attachment 557445

Active Records in the NICS Indices | Federal Bureau of Investigation

A listing of the active records in NICS Indices as of June 30, 2023.

www.fbi.gov

So, how did you do?

Do you feel like government is doing a good job?

If our government will not prosecute those who are caught by our background check system then what is the point other than to have that failure to possibly use as coercion at some other time for some other purpose?

If they won't prosecute the ones that they have in their hot little hands why do we have this system?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The survivors and the victims’ families had sued the government for wrongful death and physical injuries, accusing the authorities of negligence in the background check system that allowed the gunman to purchase a firearm, the department said. The settlement amounts range from $6 million to $7.5 million for those killed, and $5 million for survivors, the department said in a statement.

The lawsuits alleged that the F.B.I.’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System failed to discover in a “timely” manner that the gunman, Dylann Roof, had been prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, the department’s statement said.

Families of Charleston Massacre Victims Reach $88 Million Settlement (Published 2021)

The settlement with the Justice Department includes millions for the families and survivors of the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015.

www.nytimes.com

$88 million of your tax dollars went to pay of the families of the victims of the lunatic who tried to start a race war.

The background check system failed to catch him.

Do you think we should improve the background check system?

This article shouldn't be in the 2nd Amendment topic, in my opinion. This doesn't really have anything to do with the right to keep and bear arms as Roof wasn't interested in doing so for any Constitutionally protected purpose, he was and is a criminal.

The 'Current Events' topic or 'Race Relations/Racism' appear to be more applicable.

 

[August West]

How many times will this next fix be? After the NICS Improvement Act of 2007 after VATech, Obunghole's useless 2013 Executive Actions on guns after Sandy Hook, after another NICS Improvement Act in 2017 after Sutherland Springs Texas shooting, which was blamed on the Dept of Defense who never submitted a single 922(g) action the DoD ever adjudicated to the FBI . . . Allowing a wackadoodle buy a gun who should have been prohibited and then kill 26 innocents in a church.

Again and again laws are passed and EO's / EA's are signed to compel states and all agencies that adjudicate 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(1-9) dispossessions, to submit records in a timely manner.

And they still don't . . .

The background system is a joke.

Just ponder for a moment and put a number in your head of how many people you think are in the USA who are prohibited from owning and acquiring a gun and ammo.

Here's the list of offenses and prohibitory criteria to impose a lifetime ban of gun ownership, that's anyone who is or was:

• convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• who is a fugitive from justice;
• who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);
• who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
• who is an illegal alien;
• who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
• who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Do you have a number in your head, of how many records a good comprehensive background check database should have?


Well, here's what they are working with:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



View attachment 557445

Active Records in the NICS Indices | Federal Bureau of Investigation

A listing of the active records in NICS Indices as of June 30, 2023.

www.fbi.gov

So, how did you do?

Do you feel like government is doing a good job?

I think gun owners are doing a bad job when they leave their guns in their vehicles overnight for criminals to take them. 12 were reported stolen in one week in Nashville but that`s only the ones that were reported. That`s one city, one week. Why bother with background checks when you can just open car doors at night? Good job "law abiding" citizens.

Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week

NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV) - A total of 12 guns were stolen from cars in Nashville last week, according to Metro Police.

www.wsmv.com

 

[Circe]

Funny the survivors of the most notorious school shooting in history in Va. Tech Blacksburg didn't sue the state or the local government when an obviously insane student was allowed to purchase firearms because of a glitch in the name check that didn't uncover court ordered psychiatric counseling which he never attended after the local jurisdiction dropped stalking charges filed by two female students.

Yehbut they weren't black, see. You only get huge payouts from taxpayers' money if you're black.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

I think gun owners are doing a bad job when they leave their guns in their vehicles overnight for criminals to take them. 12 were reported stolen in one week in Nashville but that`s only the ones that were reported. That`s one city, one week. Why bother with background checks when you can just open car doors at night? Good job "law abiding" citizens.

Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week

NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV) - A total of 12 guns were stolen from cars in Nashville last week, according to Metro Police.

www.wsmv.com

Type of firearm	Number of firearms stolen or lost
Pistols	6,703
Rifles	2,974
Revolvers	1,306
Shotguns	1,199

Enough to equip a small army each year.

 

[2aguy]

I think gun owners are doing a bad job when they leave their guns in their vehicles overnight for criminals to take them. 12 were reported stolen in one week in Nashville but that`s only the ones that were reported. That`s one city, one week. Why bother with background checks when you can just open car doors at night? Good job "law abiding" citizens.

Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week

NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV) - A total of 12 guns were stolen from cars in Nashville last week, according to Metro Police.

www.wsmv.com

And you solve that easily…….if you are caught stealing guns you go to prison for 30 years…..that will stop 99% of those break ins over night.

And the added bonus? You don’t bother normal gun owners….

 

[2aguy]

Type of firearm	Number of firearms stolen or lost
Pistols	6,703
Rifles	2,974
Revolvers	1,306
Shotguns	1,199

Enough to equip a small army each year.

Solve that by putting gun thieves in prison for 30 years ……instead the democrat party drops the gun theft and illegal gun possession charges over and over again.

Why don’t you guys want to stop gun theft?