Chain Rection: The Impact of Race, Rights, and Taxes on American Politics

[Hector12]

Guy, that wasn't the standard you set. You asked why the pittance we spend on social welfare (most of which goes to white people) hasn't ended black poverty.

Name a social welfare program that has reduced black crime, black illegitimacy, or which has closed the race gap in black academic performance and scores on mental aptitude tests.

I have named a social program that has reduced black crime: more punishment.

 

[Hector12]

The Prison-Industrial complex has been counter-productive.

The prison industrial complex has reduced crime, as I have pointed out.

No social reform, no welfare spending program has ever reduced the crime rate. The only thing that works is punishment, lots and lots of punishment.

If the government stopped paying welfare checks to unmarried welfare mothers and their illegitimate children, I am sure the illegitimacy rate would decline considerably.

 

[JoeB131]

Name a social welfare program that has reduced black crime, black illegitimacy, or which has closed the race gap in black academic performance and scores on mental aptitude tests.

I have named a social program that has reduced black crime: more punishment.

Pretty much all of them... Which is why the poverty rate has gone down.

Illegitimacy isn't an issue, and you should see someone about your sexual hangups.

The prison industrial complex has reduced crime, as I have pointed out.

No, it hasn't. If anything, it's made things worse, given how many of those people are in prison for non-violent drug offenses.

 

[Hector12]

Pretty much all of them... Which is why the poverty rate has gone down.

Illegitimacy isn't an issue, and you should see someone about your sexual hangups.

I am not taking about poverty; I am talking about the characteristics that cause poverty, especially low intelligence, truancy, and disrespect for teachers.

Illegitimacy is a problem because illegitimate children are often or usually raised on welfare. Moreover, illegitimate children usually have many more problems in life than children raised to adulthood by both biological parents living together in matrimony.

 

[JoeB131]

I am not taking about poverty; I am talking about the characteristics that cause poverty, especially low intelligence, truancy, and disrespect for teachers.

Except you keep leaving out 400 years of systematic racism out of that equation.

If Black people were truly inferior, white people wouldn't have needed 400 years of schemes to keep them down.

Illegitimacy is a problem because illegitimate children are often or usually raised on welfare. Moreover, illegitimate children usually have many more problems in life than children raised to adulthood by both biological parents living together in matrimony.

Bullshit. France has a 70% illegitimacy rate, they are just fine.

The problem is, a black kid born out of wedlock is more likely to have a good relationship with his sperm donor than the white kid whose sperm donor ran off with the trophy wife.

Leave it to Beaver is a fantasy.

 

[Hector12]

Except you keep leaving out 400 years of systematic racism out of that equation.

How did "400 years of systematic racism" cause low intelligence, truancy, and disrespect for teachers?

Look how well the Jews are doing after the two thousand years of persecution and the Holocaust which you gloat about.

 

[Hector12]

If Black people were truly inferior, white people wouldn't have needed 400 years of schemes to keep them down.

If whites in America are responsible for black poverty, why are American Negroes more affluent than Negroes in Africa?

 

[Hector12]

Bullshit. France has a 70% illegitimacy rate, they are just fine.

Effects of Out-of-Wedlock Birth on Children​

1. Health at Birth​

Out-of-wedlock birth is related to poor health at birth...

2. Development​

The absence of married parents is related to delayed development in early childhood. Different risks associated with out-of-wedlock birth arise as the child grows older...

3. Academic Performance​

The absence of married parents is related to poor academic performance in school. This is amply documented in the professional literature.
A University of Illinois study of adults who were born outside of marriage found that the longer the time spent in a single-parent family the less education attained at all income levels of the parent. This significantly reduces the job and income attainments of these individuals and also reduces the overall performance of the nation’s economy. Those who have lived in single-parent homes as preschoolers are most affected. And once again, the study indicated, boys are more affected than girls.12) Explains Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, a researcher at the Manhattan-based Institute for American Values:

According to a study by the National Association of Elementary School Principals, 33 percent of two-parent elementary school students are ranked as high achievers, as compared with 17 percent of single-parent students. The children in single-parent families are more likely to be truant or to have disciplinary action taken against them. Even after controlling for race, income and religion, scholars find significant differences in educational attainment between children who grow up in intact families and children who do not.13)...

4. Emotional and Behavioral Stability​

The absence of married parents risks emotional and behavioral problems that compound during childhood. The impact of out-of-wedlock birth and growing up in a single-parent family on the child is significant and can be permanent. These children are more likely to suffer from:

• Emotional and behavioral problems;
• Physical abuse;
• Exposure to cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs;
• Aggression;
• An increased propensity to engage in violent, delinquent, and criminal behavior;
• Poor school performance;
• Expulsion from school;15)
• Difficult in delaying gratification;
• Poor impulse control;
• A weaker sense of conscience or sense of right versus wrong.16)

Effects of Out-of-Wedlock Birth on Children [Marripedia]

www.marripedia.org

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I am confident that in France legitimate children tend to have fewer problems in life than illegitimate children.

 

[JoeB131]

How did "400 years of systematic racism" cause low intelligence, truancy, and disrespect for teachers?

Look how well the Jews are doing after the two thousand years of persecution and the Holocaust which you gloat about.

It didn't.

Jews didn't get 2000 years of persecution. They had spots of persecution after wearing out their welcome in countries that accepted them.

 

[JoeB131]

Effects of Out-of-Wedlock Birth on Children

Oh, look, a pro-marriage website spewing religous propaganda.

So, um, why hasn't France declined? They have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate, and they are doing fine.

 

[Hector12]

It didn't.

Jews didn't get 2000 years of persecution. They had spots of persecution after wearing out their welcome in countries that accepted them.

Hostility toward Jews has never been justified. In the past is was based on religious bigotry. Currently it is based on resentment of Jewish intelligence, success, and prosperity.

Despite this hostility Jews have thrived.

 

[Hector12]

Oh, look, a pro-marriage website spewing religous propaganda.

So, um, why hasn't France declined? They have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate, and they are doing fine.

Marripedia is pro marriage because it has looked at the data.

 

[JoeB131]

Hostility toward Jews has never been justified. In the past is was based on religious bigotry. Currently it is based on resentment of Jewish intelligence, success, and prosperity.

Despite this hostility Jews have thrived.

Um, yeah, because of their own behavior.

Nothing wrong with religious discrimination. Until the happy day we all outgrow the need for sky fairies, pointing out the stupid religions is always a good idea.

 

[JoeB131]

Marripedia is pro marriage because it has looked at the data.

Did you actually look at their home page? It's a heavy dose of religious crazy, being all upset about the decline of Christianity.

 

[Hector12]

Brookings

Twenty Years Later, It Turns Out Dan Quayle Was Right About Murphy Brown and Unmarried Moms​

On May 19, 1992, as the presidential campaign season was heating up, Vice President Dan Quayle delivered a family-values speech that came to define him nearly as much as his spelling talents. Speaking at the Commonwealth Club of California, he chided Murphy Brown—the fictional 40-something, divorced news anchor played by Candice Bergen on a CBS sitcom—for her decision to have a child outside of marriage...

Twenty years later, Quayle’s words seem less controversial than prophetic. The number of single parents in America has increased dramatically: The proportion of children born outside marriage has risen from roughly 30 percent in 1992 to 41 percent in 2009. For women under age 30, more than half of babies are born out of wedlock. A lifestyle once associated with poverty has become mainstream...

Those who live with their biological parents do better in school and are less likely to get pregnant or arrested. They have lower rates of suicide, achieve higher levels of education and earn more as adults. Meanwhile, children who spend time in single-parent families are more likely to misbehave, get sick, drop out of high school and be unemployed.

Twenty Years Later, It Turns Out Dan Quayle Was Right About Murphy Brown and Unmarried Moms

Isabel Sawhill reflects on the rise in the number of single parents in America. While some argue that this societal change is benign, Sawhill raises concerns that this dramatic shift in family life could have serious implications for child poverty.

www.brookings.edu

 

[JoeB131]

Twenty Years Later, It Turns Out Dan Quayle Was Right About Murphy Brown and Unmarried Moms

No he wasn't.

Dan Quayle got into an argument with a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and lost.


The problem is you think unmarried is the same as being a single parent. It isn't. It just means people don't want to get married.

Kind of understandable. Just the tax penalty I've been hit with because I got married last year would be enough of a deterrent.

 

[Hector12]

Poverty & Crime​

The notion that economic deprivation necessarily leads to lawlessness is widely believed but is not supported by empirical evidence. Human history is replete with examples of impoverished people—of all racial and ethnic backgrounds—who have endured extreme poverty without descending into criminal activity. During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco’s Chinatown were among America’s poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation...


In modern America, the correlation between high crime rates and poverty has a great deal to do with the proliferation of single-parent, father-absent households. According to the U.S Census, in 2008 the poverty rate for single parents with children was 35.6%; the rate for married couples with children was 6.4%. For white families in particular, the corresponding two-parent and single-parent poverty rates were 21.7% and 3.1%, respectively. For Hispanics, the figures were 37.5% and 12.8%, and for blacks, 35.3% and 6.9%. According to Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation, “the absence of marriage increases the frequency of child poverty 700 percent” and thus constitutes the single most reliable predictor of a self-perpetuating underclass.

Children in single-parent households are burdened not only with profound economic disadvantages, but are also far likelier to eventually get into trouble with the law. As a Heritage Foundation analysis notes, youngsters raised by single parents, as compared to those who grow up in intact married homes, are much more likely to be physically abused; to be treated for emotional and behavioral disorders; to smoke, drink, and use drugs; to behave aggressively and violently; to engage in criminal activity; and to be arrested for a juvenile crime. According to the National Fatherhood Initiative, 60% of rapists, 72% of adolescent murderers, and 70% of long-term prison inmates are men who grew up in fatherless homes.

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[JoeB131]

Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation...

Bugsy Seigal
Meyer Lansky
The Purple Gang

Nope, the Jews could commit crimes with the best of them.

The reality is, every immigrant group has had a crime problem, except the Germans, for some reason. But I think that's just because the Germans are too orderly to have organized crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

Um, guy, immigration from China was illegal in the US from 1882 (The Chinese Exclusion Act) until 1956. And it wasn't like a whole lot of new Chinese were coming in with the commies in charge.

 

[Hector12]

Bugsy Seigal
Meyer Lansky
The Purple Gang

Nope, the Jews could commit crimes with the best of them.

The reality is, every immigrant group has had a crime problem, except the Germans, for some reason. But I think that's just because the Germans are too orderly to have organized crime.

Those were the exceptions.