Cash for Guns

[JGalt]

Sure, I mean that is obviously true.

But, by the same token, a gas station has no idea if the person gassing up his white van will be delibering dog food, or kidnapping kids, a grocery store that sells baby formula doesn't know if this purchaser of a case at a time has a large family, runs a daycare, or works for a baby selling ring.

Some guy passing up a chance to buy and sell guns because one of the purchasers might be a criminal isn't going to stop those criminals from getting guns.

Many straw purchases are also done by people who buy the guns legally, and complete the paperwork.

 

[Failzero]

They don't in my state. The private sellers even put signs on their tables stating that they're private sellers. They do pretty well because a lot of people hate paperwork.

You can’t sell new HGs at a Gun Show without going through an FFL ( Gun Shows hire FFLs to be there to do transfers and run BGCs )

 

[Concerned American]

And they have no idea if they're selling to an illegal straw buyer or not.

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That's absolutely true, however, in ID, if the seller's gun turns up in the criminal system and the buyer was not legally allowed to own a gun (mental, felon, domestic abuser), the seller can be held liable. It is my understanding that most sellers are pretty diligent in their checking of IDs. In the case of CDA, being close to the WA border, if a buyer is from WA, the seller will avail themselves to the NCIS or accompany the buyer to a FFL retailer in WA to complete the purchase under WA law.

 

[Concerned American]

You can’t sell new HGs at a Gun Show without going through an FFL ( Gun Shows hire FFLs to be there to do transfers and run BGCs )

I believe that is a CA law. Other states don't have that requirement.

Gun show loophole - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Failzero]

I believe that is a CA law. Other states don't have that requirement.

Gun show loophole - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can’t buy a NEW Handgun from
An FFL at a Shop or Show without a BGC ( Used HGs & C&R may be different , but no FFL would sell a NEW HG on their books to someone without a BGC .

 

[Concerned American]

You can’t buy a NEW Handgun from
An FFL at a Shop or Show without a BGC ( Used HGs & C&R may be different , but no FFL would sell a NEW HG on their books to someone without a BGC .

In ID you don't have to have an FFL to sell any gun in a private sale or gun show. I think I explained that in my post #23 to OK Texas.

 

[OKTexas]

Sure, I mean that is obviously true.

But, by the same token, a gas station has no idea if the person gassing up his white van will be delibering dog food, or kidnapping kids, a grocery store that sells baby formula doesn't know if this purchaser of a case at a time has a large family, runs a daycare, or works for a baby selling ring.

Some guy passing up a chance to buy and sell guns because one of the purchasers might be a criminal isn't going to stop those criminals from getting guns.

I would never sell one of my firearms to a perfect stranger. Well unless it was done at a police station, where they can check out the buyer. I'm just not that careless.

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[1srelluc]

And they have no idea if they're selling to an illegal straw buyer or not.

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And?

 

[Failzero]

In ID you don't have to have an FFL to sell any gun in a private sale or gun show. I think I explained that in my post #23 to OK Texas.

If you are an FFL you won’t sell a NEW Handgun on your books to Anyone ( But another FFL ) without a BGC .

 

[Concerned American]

If you are an FFL you won’t sell a NEW Handgun on your books to Anyone ( But another FFL ) without a BGC .

Agreed, but in ID and many other states, you don't have to have an FFL to sell handguns, shot guns or semi auto rifles. However the seller is responsible for ascertaining that the buyer can legally purchase a weapon. They check IDs and if they don't know the person they will often use Nat'l Instant Criminal Background Check and it will return either approved, not approved or more time that can take up to 3 days. But there is no requirement---if the gun is sold to a criminal or it is used in a crime, the seller can be held liable.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And they have no idea if they're selling to an illegal straw buyer or not.

Neither does a a "legit" dealer, even if he runs a background check.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Face to Face sales of New Handguns should be verboten ( BGC on New HG sales should be a national requirement ?)

All new sales require a background check.

 

[Muhammed]

Or he could be buying them to sell out of his trunk to inner city thugs, or maybe cartels. A legit dealer doesn't usually do street transactions.

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You know are probably people bringing him stolen guns for cash.

It could even be an undercover operation. Somebody brings a gun to sell, the buyer checks the numbers and finds out it's stolen, apprehension team appears from nowhere and off to the pokey they go.

 

[JWBooth]

Or he could be buying them to sell out of his trunk to inner city thugs, or maybe cartels. A legit dealer doesn't usually do street transactions.

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And they have no idea if they're selling to an illegal straw buyer or not.

Entrepreneurship is a wonderful thing.

 

[1srelluc]

You know are probably people bringing him stolen guns for cash.

It could even be an undercover operation. Somebody brings a gun to sell, the buyer checks the numbers and finds out it's stolen, apprehension team appears from nowhere and off to the pokey they go.

Stolen guns are not picked up on a VSP background check.....That's usually way after the sale once the firearm is reentered in the system, reported stolen, or used in a crime.

I had one that I bought at a pawn shop and better than a year later it was reported stolen.

It's was not my first rodeo in that regard and I refused to give it up when the cop came by till the owner (or state) filed charges.

The reason was his grandkid stole a bunch of guns from a guy and he refused to press charges and neither did the state.

I did give the owner an opportunity to buy it back at my cost but he did not want it....I still have it.

A true case of legal possession is 9/10s of the law.

 

[Muhammed]

Stolen guns are not picked up on a VSP background check.....That's usually way after the sale once the firearm is reentered in the system, reported stolen, or used in a crime.

I had one that I bought at a pawn shop and better than a year later it was reported stolen.

It's was not my first rodeo in that regard and I refused to give it up when the cop came by till the owner (or state) filed charges.

The reason was his grandkid stole a bunch of guns from a guy and he refused to press charges and neither did the state.

I did give the owner an opportunity to buy it back at my cost but he did not want it....I still have it.

A true case of legal possession is 9/10s of the law.

That's kinda what happened when I went into a pawn shop and found my acoustic guitar that I loaned to a friend hanging on the wall. It was for sale. He sold it outright very cheaply. The guy showed me a copy of his drivers license and said he also brought in a torque wrench. My torque wrench.

They said it happens regularly and they work closely with the police. I could get my stuff back for the price he paid for it, but only if I prosecuted. Otherwise, I could pay full price.

 

[westwall]

Most, if not all, gun shows require people renting spaces to sell firearms to have FFLs.

Depends on the state you live in.

 

[1srelluc]

That's kinda what happened when I went into a pawn shop and found my acoustic guitar that I loaned to a friend hanging on the wall. It was for sale. He sold it outright very cheaply. The guy showed me a copy of his drivers license and said he also brought in a torque wrench. My torque wrench.

They said it happens regularly and they work closely with the police. I could get my stuff back for the price he paid for it, but only if I prosecuted. Otherwise, I could pay full price.

A lot of people simply don't know their possession rights under the law....The cops will talk them in to turning them over.

 

[Concerned American]

I could get my stuff back for the price he paid for it, but only if I prosecuted. Otherwise, I could pay full price.

My place was robbed a few years back and the idiot kid took all of it to a pawn shop and pawned it under his own name. They found it on the pawn shop data base using my chain saw serial #. I was told by the prosecutor that if the case was prosecuted that I would get my stuff back after the case (which happened) but if I dropped it, I would have to pay the pawn shop.

 

[Failzero]

Depends on the state you live in.

Not for NEW HANDGUNS that are on an FFL’s Books ( All states have BGC for New handguns )