Can't find a job? Maybe you aren't really trying...

[Said1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80

To me, that's a little ridiculous being 22 years old, graduating from a really nice college and having to live at home because you make just a little over minimum wage. I understand that sometimes you have to do what you have to do, but I don't think they were kidding when they said that college grads were going to have it rough when they got out of college.

I was scrapping newly installed tile floors with a razor blade when I finished college at 22 - for a little over minimum wage.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
I know it's going to really suck for me as well because I am going into the education field and in San Diego, education jobs are limited, especially after all the layoffs they just did. Again, tons of things play a factor.

Again, depends on where you live. Vegas is BEGGING teachers to move here.

In reply to the first part not quoted. . . .

Part of life is working your way up through the ranks. Just having a degree from a good college is not enough. Did your friend do intern work in college? Did she establish herself enough that she received offers? Apparently not. So now she has to start at the bottom and work her way up just like everybody else. Instant gratification is what you are looking for but that is not right. You have to work and work hard.

I finished college after spending nearly 8 years in the Army. The time in the Army gave me the "experience" I needed to make potential employers take a closer look. If they only looked at my education background, even having a degree would not have been enough as I would not have had experience. You have to build experience to give yourself any worth. Education alone is not enough just like experience alone is not enough to go to the top in most cases. It takes a combination of the two. So that minimum wage job should be viewed as a stepping stone and not a frustration. C'mon, what do you really think you should be making at 22? $60K a year?? lol

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
Again, depends on where you live. Vegas is BEGGING teachers to move here.

In reply to the first part not quoted. . . .

Part of life is working your way up through the ranks. Just having a degree from a good college is not enough. Did your friend do intern work in college? Did she establish herself enough that she received offers? Apparently not. So now she has to start at the bottom and work her way up just like everybody else. Instant gratification is what you are looking for but that is not right. You have to work and work hard.

I finished college after spending nearly 8 years in the Army. The time in the Army gave me the "experience" I needed to make potential employers take a closer look. If they only looked at my education background, even having a degree would not have been enough as I would not have had experience. You have to build experience to give yourself any worth. Education alone is not enough just like experience alone is not enough to go to the top in most cases. It takes a combination of the two. So that minimum wage job should be viewed as a stepping stone and not a frustration. C'mon, what do you really think you should be making at 22? $60K a year?? lol

I felt the same when I finished school, despite everyone telling me what you said above. It took awhile for it to sink in, but once I accepted this, I was able to see other opportunities I had been overlooking.

I have since gone back to school, studing something different, but I have a different attitude too. I am lucky to have a friend who works for company in my area of study (well sort of). I sort data for her, for free just to have the reference in the future. THis is something I would have scoffed at at 22, now I think I'm lucky to be given this chance a learning something new.

 

[brneyedgrl80]

I hate to say it freeandfun1, but this is something that we are going to disagree on.

My friend is a lot more ambitious than I am and she definitely takes advantage of what she can. Again, like I said, sometimes jobs want someone with experience and will over look a college a grad with intern experience for someone who has actually been doing the job. That's just how it is.

As for me, besides the fact that I want to move back home, I also have to move back home because of my grandmother, so Vegas is not an option for me. I also have plenty of TA experience which will help on my resume, but it won't get me very far if they keep laying off in people in San Diego. The whole state of California isn't doing too well as far as education jobs and city jobs. Sigh...

Los Angeles usually has openings there for teachers, mainly because the teachers don't last very long there in the more urban areas.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
I hate to say it freeandfun1, but this is something that we are going to disagree on.

So what are you disagreeing with me on? You are not disagreeing. You are making excuses. Big difference.

 

[UsaPride]

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
~Thomas A. Edison

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
. . . . the whole state of California isn't doing too well as far as education jobs and city jobs. Sigh...

Perhaps your problem is that you are looking for the government to employ you. Why do you have to teach for the government?

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by Hannitized
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
~Thomas A. Edison

 

[fuzzykitten99]

wow, i didn't think i'd get this many responses, and i am glad that i got backup... i agree that just because you have a 4-yr degree that you are guaranteed employment. it takes experience and first-hand knowledge. it also usually takes a degree in something useful. i know that some get degrees in stuff just for the fun of it, but those that get them in stuff like Sanskrit (my hubby's cousin did ) and expect to be hired at any company. This is such delusional thinking.

 

[brneyedgrl80]

I'm not making up excuses, I'm giving reasons. But go ahead and view them as excuses if it makes you feel better.

Perhaps your problem is that you are looking for the government to employ you. Why do you have to teach for the government?

Perhaps your problem is that you seem to gloss over the word "and" in between the words "education jobs and city jobs". The last time I checked, people used the word "and" to seperate two different topics, items, etc....

Where did you get that I would be teaching for the government, lol how silly! I would like to be teaching in the city of San Diego and preferrably in the San Diego City School District, but will gladly accept any other school district that would be willing to hire me. I do not want to teach for the City of San Diego, just in the city. Oh, and just to clarify, you are aware that any state will have teachers working there, but not necessarily for the state, just in the state... right?

Answer me this if you can. Why do you get upset when someone politely tells you that they disagree with you? I said nothing that would upset you, unless you are a little more sensitive than most, in which case I apologize if I offended you in any way.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
I'm not making up excuses, I'm giving reasons. But go ahead and view them as excuses if it makes you feel better.



Perhaps your problem is that you seem to gloss over the word "and" in between the words "education jobs and city jobs". The last time I checked, people used the word "and" to seperate two different topics, items, etc....

Where did you get that I would be teaching for the government, lol how silly! I would like to be teaching in the city of San Diego and preferrably in the San Diego City School District, but will gladly accept any other school district that would be willing to hire me. I do not want to teach for the City of San Diego, just in the city. Oh, and just to clarify, you are aware that any state will have teachers working there, but not necessarily for the state, just in the state... right?

Answer me this if you can. Why do you get upset when someone politely tells you that they disagree with you? I said nothing that would upset you, unless you are a little more sensitive than most, in which case I apologize if I offended you in any way.

School districts are government agencies.

You never were clear what you disagreed on. You just said you "disagreed".

So, tell me, what do you disagree on?

Did you disagree with my statement that the availability of jobs depends on where you live?

Did you disagree with my statement that Vegas is BEGGING teachers to move here.

How about the statement that "Part of life is working your way up through the ranks."?

Or "Just having a degree from a good college is not enough."?

Well, maybe it was my comment that your friend has to "start at the bottom and work her way up just like everybody else."?

If not that, then maybe it was the statement that "Instant gratification is what you are looking for but that is not right. You have to work and work hard."?

But then again, maybe you were disagreeing with my account of my life when I wrote that, "I finished college after spending nearly 8 years in the Army. The time in the Army gave me the "experience" I needed to make potential employers take a closer look. If they only looked at my education background, even having a degree would not have been enough as I would not have had experience."

Or again, maybe it was my statement "You have to build experience to give yourself any worth. Education alone is not enough just like experience alone is not enough to go to the top in most cases. It takes a combination of the two." that you disagreed with?

No? Well then was it the statement that "[the] minimum wage job should be viewed as a stepping stone and not a frustration."?

More than likely it was the statement "C'mon, what do you really think you should be making at 22? $60K a year?? lol" that you disagreed with.

If you are going to disagree, please be specific about what it is you disagree with. Frankly, I am not sure how you can disagree with any of what I wrote unless you are just wanting to be argumentative.

 

[brneyedgrl80]

You know, I don't do this very often... and I'm embarrassed to say it, but I got you confused with Said1.

I disagreed with Said1 as far as the only reason being that people can't find jobs is because of their standards. I believe that there are other factors involved, not just that.

Man I'm embarrassed....

Of course, if Said1 doesn't think that that's the only reason, then I have nothing to disagree with.

I apologize freeandfun1. :hail:

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes, the 1's are easy to confuse.

 

[Said1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
You know, I don't do this very often... and I'm embarrassed to say it, but I got you confused with Said1.

I disagreed with Said1 as far as the only reason being that people can't find jobs is because of their standards. I believe that there are other factors involved, not just that.

Man I'm embarrassed....

Of course, if Said1 doesn't think that that's the only reason, then I have nothing to disagree with.

I apologize freeandfun1. :hail:

I said a lot more than that.

 

[brneyedgrl80]

Shut up RWA!

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
You know, I don't do this very often... and I'm embarrassed to say it, but I got you confused with Said1.

I disagreed with Said1 as far as the only reason being that people can't find jobs is because of their standards. I believe that there are other factors involved, not just that.

Man I'm embarrassed....

Of course, if Said1 doesn't think that that's the only reason, then I have nothing to disagree with.

I apologize freeandfun1. :hail:

Apology accepted. I understand and good luck looking for a job.

BTW: Have you considered teaching for companies? I have a friend that is a trainer for one of the big casinos in Vegas and she makes around $150,000 + per year. Her degree was in elementary education and teaching applies to adults as much as kids!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by brneyedgrl80
Shut up RWA!

 

[brneyedgrl80]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
Apology accepted. I understand and good luck looking for a job.

BTW: Have you considered teaching for companies? I have a friend that is a trainer for one of the big casinos in Vegas and she makes around $150,000 + per year. Her degree was in elementary education and teaching applies to adults as much as kids!

Actually no I haven't considered it. I'm not sure what all my options are at this point because I'm still in school. I just know that next year I will be moving back to San Diego because of want and need, so I'll be finishing school there and then who knows? But that does sound really good. Not to sound silly, but I'm going for 2nd year education, do you think that would still apply? lol

 

[OCA]

I think alot of you younger new college grads are looking in the wrong direction. I graduated with a degree in business and minor in poli. sci. back in the mid 90's and had a hell of a time finding a job. Up until about 4 years ago I had done everything from loan processing to customer service at well known national companies and a couple lesser known. I had always had a sort of look down my nose attitude at people who did menial jobs until 1 day the guy my mom works for asked me and my wife if we would clean his office for him for $150 a week. I thought sure why not, we are in there about a total 3 hrs a week and thats $50 an hour I could handle that. Well we did such a bang up job that word got around and pretty soon we were asked to do other offices and people's homes and pretty much I quit and this is what I do full time now. Its lawyer money but you still have to bust your ass.

My point is why close your mind to the possibility of being your own boss and look to being an employee only? There are a myriad of opportunities out there and not all of them take a ton of cash to start up. I believe that the only real super successful people in America are self employed. Being an employee means always having to deal with other personalities and office politics. Don't take this though as me putting down employees because I know many happy people who are not self employed, just in my case I wanted more.

Hey free, how tough is it to become a dealer in Vegas? Those guys make bank!

 

[fuzzykitten99]

Originally posted by OCA
I think alot of you younger new college grads are looking in the wrong direction. I graduated with a degree in business and minor in poli. sci. back in the mid 90's and had a hell of a time finding a job. Up until about 4 years ago I had done everything from loan processing to customer service at well known national companies and a couple lesser known. I had always had a sort of look down my nose attitude at people who did menial jobs until 1 day the guy my mom works for asked me and my wife if we would clean his office for him for $150 a week. I thought sure why not, we are in there about a total 3 hrs a week and thats $50 an hour I could handle that. Well we did such a bang up job that word got around and pretty soon we were asked to do other offices and people's homes and pretty much I quit and this is what I do full time now. Its lawyer money but you still have to bust your ass.

My point is why close your mind to the possibility of being your own boss and look to being an employee only? There are a myriad of opportunities out there and not all of them take a ton of cash to start up. I believe that the only real super successful people in America are self employed. Being an employee means always having to deal with other personalities and office politics. Don't take this though as me putting down employees because I know many happy people who are not self employed, just in my case I wanted more.

Hey free, how tough is it to become a dealer in Vegas? Those guys make bank!

i commend you OCA...it takes guts and alot of patience to be self employed...i would start a biz myself, but the benefits of working for another company, specifically a major corporation, outweigh self-employment for myself. mostly because i have a child under 1 yr and the insurance and time off benefits are better than what i could get being self employed.