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Canadian free healthcare, is not free, and is barely healthcare...a story...

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So your plan is, I'm going to have to pay 1/4 of my income in taxes to pay for public health care.... and then save up my own money anyway, to pay for private care, because public care sucks.

What is the up-side to this?

What would actually happen is you and most ordinary people would opt to use the public option after realizing the bullshit you've been fed by right wing propagandists is indeed bullshit. American health in general would improve because more people would regularly go to the doctor and receive preventative care. Oh, and by the way that would reduce overall healthcare costs too. Ever heard the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Yeah...

Canadian and European healthcare is not some backwards nightmare. I have been to Canada and to Europe. The people there are happy with what they have. They are amazed that we do it the way we do here. Studies say the people in those countries are happy with how they do things as well, which backs up my own anecdotal experience. They don't want to move away from public care, just find ways to improve it. We are the ones that are backwards with healthcare. Everybody else has figured it out. These propaganda pieces y'all eat up are misleading and agenda driven. Conservatives are wrong about this, and they will lose this battle.
 
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No. You did not.

People can still get care privately in Canada. The only people waiting in pain like in the article are people that can't afford a private option, and cases like that where people have to wait in pain for public care are rare. You just hear about the bad stories whenever they happen because your propaganda peddlers need all of the ammunition they can get to keep you fooled. There are countless horror stories in U.S healthcare. Suggesting our healthcare system is superior is outrageous. If you actually went to Canada and talked to people, did some research online etc, you'd find that they and European countries are mostly happy with what they have and would never entertain the idea of doing it like we do.

There are millions of Americans with no health insurance, and more still that are under-insured. You don't think they'd benefit from a public option that might possibly have them waiting for care in certain situations? Isn't that better than not getting care at all and having to wait until it's a catastrophe so they can go to the E.R? Oh, and you would benefit too, because it wouldn't run as inefficiently as right wing propaganda suggests, so you'd be able to use it in place of private care in most, probably all instances.

You make it sound like people would regularly be waiting in anguish to get low quality care if we created a public option and that's simply not realistic. That's not how it is in Canada and Europe. If it was like that the people there wouldn't be supportive of their healthcare system.

You are being fed bullshit.

You believe it because you want to, because God forbid the lefties be right about healthcare. Whatever though. Public healthcare will happen sooner or later despite conservative opposition, and history will know that y'all were wrong about this one.
Yep! You fed us bullshit with Obamacare too. I remember.
 

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Yep! You fed us bullshit with Obamacare too. I remember.

I never supported Obamacare. It was designed to empower insurance companies even more.
 
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So your plan is, I'm going to have to pay 1/4 of my income in taxes to pay for public health care.... and then save up my own money anyway, to pay for private care, because public care sucks.

What is the up-side to this?

What would actually happen is you and most ordinary people would opt to use the public option after realizing the bullshit you've been fed by right wing propagandists is indeed bullshit. American health in general would improve because more people would regularly go to the doctor and receive preventative care. Oh, and by the way that would reduce overall healthcare costs too. Ever heard the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Yeah...

Canadian and European healthcare is not some backwards nightmare. I have been to Canada and to Europe. The people there are happy with what they have. They are amazed that we do it the way we do here. Studies say the people in those countries are happy with how they do things as well, which backs up my own anecdotal experience. They don't want to move away from public care, just find ways to improve it. We are the ones that are backwards with healthcare. Everybody else has figured it out. These propaganda pieces y'all eat up are misleading and agenda driven. Conservatives are wrong about this, and they will lose this battle.

You are talking to people who don't use the system, who are young and their injuries or illness are not serious, and who aren't aged out of actual care ......
 
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So your plan is, I'm going to have to pay 1/4 of my income in taxes to pay for public health care.... and then save up my own money anyway, to pay for private care, because public care sucks.

What is the up-side to this?

What would actually happen is you and most ordinary people would opt to use the public option after realizing the bullshit you've been fed by right wing propagandists is indeed bullshit. American health in general would improve because more people would regularly go to the doctor and receive preventative care. Oh, and by the way that would reduce overall healthcare costs too. Ever heard the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Yeah...

Canadian and European healthcare is not some backwards nightmare. I have been to Canada and to Europe. The people there are happy with what they have. They are amazed that we do it the way we do here. Studies say the people in those countries are happy with how they do things as well, which backs up my own anecdotal experience. They don't want to move away from public care, just find ways to improve it. We are the ones that are backwards with healthcare. Everybody else has figured it out. These propaganda pieces y'all eat up are misleading and agenda driven. Conservatives are wrong about this, and they will lose this battle.


We have more MRI machines in one state than the entire country of Canada....you don't know what you are talking about.
 

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We have more MRI machines in one state than the entire country of Canada

And you think you won't be able to get healthcare in a timely manner with a public option in the United States? These outlier horror stories are designed to mislead you. The healthcare in Canada and Europe is good overall, and we could do what they're doing even better.
 

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So your plan is, I'm going to have to pay 1/4 of my income in taxes to pay for public health care.... and then save up my own money anyway, to pay for private care, because public care sucks.

What is the up-side to this?

What would actually happen is you and most ordinary people would opt to use the public option after realizing the bullshit you've been fed by right wing propagandists is indeed bullshit. American health in general would improve because more people would regularly go to the doctor and receive preventative care. Oh, and by the way that would reduce overall healthcare costs too. Ever heard the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Yeah...

Canadian and European healthcare is not some backwards nightmare. I have been to Canada and to Europe. The people there are happy with what they have. They are amazed that we do it the way we do here. Studies say the people in those countries are happy with how they do things as well, which backs up my own anecdotal experience. They don't want to move away from public care, just find ways to improve it. We are the ones that are backwards with healthcare. Everybody else has figured it out. These propaganda pieces y'all eat up are misleading and agenda driven. Conservatives are wrong about this, and they will lose this battle.
There are differences in the quality of doctors and dentists in this nation. Believe me!
 

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So your plan is, I'm going to have to pay 1/4 of my income in taxes to pay for public health care.... and then save up my own money anyway, to pay for private care, because public care sucks.

What is the up-side to this?

What would actually happen is you and most ordinary people would opt to use the public option after realizing the bullshit you've been fed by right wing propagandists is indeed bullshit. American health in general would improve because more people would regularly go to the doctor and receive preventative care. Oh, and by the way that would reduce overall healthcare costs too. Ever heard the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Yeah...

Canadian and European healthcare is not some backwards nightmare. I have been to Canada and to Europe. The people there are happy with what they have. They are amazed that we do it the way we do here. Studies say the people in those countries are happy with how they do things as well, which backs up my own anecdotal experience. They don't want to move away from public care, just find ways to improve it. We are the ones that are backwards with healthcare. Everybody else has figured it out. These propaganda pieces y'all eat up are misleading and agenda driven. Conservatives are wrong about this, and they will lose this battle.

I don't get people like you. Propaganda? What propaganda?

307,000 vets may have died awaiting VA care, report says - CNNPolitics

This was reported by CNN, the most left-wing media outlet in the country. Even the media outlet that is practically channeling Stalin's version of socialism.... has to admit that the VA Health care system (which is as socialized as it gets), has let an estimate 300 thousand vets die on waiting lists, and that doesn't include the millions that suffered waiting months or years for treatment.

DID THAT HAPPEN OR NOT?? What propaganda do you think we are buying into? Did that happen or not????

My brother in law, was in Iraq. Him and a buddy were blown up by a IED. After coming back here, he needed some surgery on his hand. He waited months on months on months for the VA to setup an appointment. He finally said screw the VA, and went to a private doctor... AND HAD THE SURGERY DONE IN A FEW DAYS.

What propaganda do you think we're buying into, when we've seen how your system works FIRST HAND?

The only one here buying propaganda is you. You are the one ignoring all the data, all the information, all the first hand accounts....

Do you want me to post the survival rates? Which by the way, are not even accurate, because survival rates include people who survive in Canada, because they traveled to the US for care.

And by the way.... there are so many people that come to the US for care, that they have companies that specialize in getting people in to pay-for-service hospitals and care.

Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices

Company is called "Timely Medical Alternatives"..... alternative to what? Socialized care in Canada.

Please... let's hear your explanation? How is that propaganda? You think we made up that the company exists? You think we made up that the owner of the company, is a doctor that worked at gov-care hospitals in Canada? You think we made up that he opened this company specifically because he was tired of watching his patients die?

No, you are the idiot who is living in your oblivious left-wing propaganda BS crap. We're the ones trying to save you from your own stupidity. You are dumb as AOC banning oil, and not realizing that everyone would starve from the lack of food being transported to the cities. You are all brainless idiotic fools, and the only reason you people are even alive, is because of the good people of the right-wing trying to save you from creating your Venezuela like hell, and then wondering why your life sucks.

You foolish idiots, remind me of reading about a Jewish guy whose father was a supporter of Lenin in Soviet Russia. His father was swept up by the Stalin purges and show trials. That's you people. So dumb, you destroy yourselves if given the chance, and destroy everyone around you while your at it. Garbage people, all of you.
 

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There's a lengthy story on Pocket about the miseries of Canadian health care. Wait to see your doctor. Wait longer to get the tests he orders. Wait even longer for the care determined by the tests.

I wonder why so many Canadians come to the USA to get health care.
 

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There's a lengthy story on Pocket about the miseries of Canadian health care. Wait to see your doctor. Wait longer to get the tests he orders. Wait even longer for the care determined by the tests.

I wonder why so many Canadians come to the USA to get health care.

We had a husband and wife from Canada stay with the Wife and I here in Houston so he could get cancer treatment at MD Anderson.
He would have died without it.
 

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