Canada is about to burn. 49,000 tinderbox EV to be imported from China

[Unkotare]

"Stop the World, I want to get off!"

We need the rest of the world much more than it needs us.

China gets this, which is why they are prospering.

We don't.

Ah, you got your breakfast.

 

[JoeB131]

Ah, you got your breakfast.

Jealous?

 

[Unkotare]

Jealous?

I already had breakfast. Did your money arrive?

 

[Mac-7]

JoeB131

No, we need actual investment. A tariff on China just means the big corporation moves their factory to Vietnam.

In some cases yes

We cant win every fight

But we can win more than we would by dimply giving up and surrendering to cheap chinese imports

And where we dont succeed in reintroducing a manufacturing product back to America lets at least take it away from our number one enemy, communist china

Importing parts made in Vietnam is far betterthan sourcing them from china

 

[Mac-7]

No, we need actual investment. A tariff on China just means the big corporation moves their factory to Vietnam.



Are we?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-factory-headcount-falling-despite-trumps-promised-manufacturing-boom-2026-01-09/

WASHINGTON, Jan 9 (Reuters) - U.S. manufacturing jobs in December continued an eight-month skid that began last spring after President Donald Trump rolled out aggressive import taxes that he pledged would lead to a resurgence of blue-collar jobs by reshuffling world trade to favor U.S. workers.

Just ask J.B. Brown, CEO of BCI Solutions Inc., a small metal foundry in Bremen, Indiana, that sells to a range of agriculture and heavy equipment makers.

“Every time I hear that manufacturing is booming, I scream at the TV,” Brown told Reuters. His workforce is down to 130 from 240 people over the past 27 months. That’s the fewest the family-owned business has had since at least 1993, when he joined the company.

Brown said he eliminated a shift in September 2023 and has let attrition steadily reduce numbers since then. He said he could cut another 5% of his workers, if necessary, but he’s trying to avoid that to keep ready for the eventual upturn in orders. His capacity now stands at 52%, another low point. “I’ve never been below 70 to 65%,” he said. “This is our first time experiencing that.”




No, the alternative is to do what the Chinese were wise enough to do. Invest in infrastructure and education to make manufacturnig here attractive again.

No, the alternative is to do what the Chinese were wise enough to do. Invest in infrastructure and education to make manufacturnig here attractive again.

That sounds good on paper, but the reality is that china is a mercantilist nation directed from the top by a communist dictatorship bent on world domination

Private companies in the West cannot compete against a monolith like china

They will be run out of business one by one

 

[JoeB131]

In some cases yes

We cant win every fight

But we can win more than we would by dimply giving up and surrendering to cheap chinese imports

And where we dont succeed in reintroducing a manufacturing product back to America lets at least take it away from our number one enemy, communist china

Importing parts made in Vietnam is far betterthan sourcing them from china

Actually, here's the thing, from someone who does purchasing for a living.

Purchasing is a combination of price, quality, and service.

We are never going to beat the Chinese on price. That's a given. At least not until their standard of living equals ours.

So what we need to work on is quality and service.

we don't seem focused on that.

The reason Japan beat us in electronics and automobiles is they started out on price, but eventually, they concentrated on quality, to the point where Americans value Japanese goods as top of the line.

The Chinese are working on quality to make up for pricing being more competitive... while we do... nothing.

That sounds good on paper, but the reality is that china is a mercantilist nation directed from the top by a communist dictatorship bent on world domination

Private companies in the West cannot compete against a monolith like china

They will be run out of business one by one

Um, in my lifetime, China has only invaded Vietnam. And they pulled out after a month.

Do you want me to list all the countries we've invaded since 1962? It'll be a long list.

We run around threatening to bomb anyone who displeases us, the Chinese build up good will by helping build roads and ports.

 

[Mac-7]

Actually, here's the thing, from someone who does purchasing for a living.

Purchasing is a combination of price, quality, and service.

We are never going to beat the Chinese on price. That's a given. At least not until their standard of living equals ours.

So what we need to work on is quality and service.

we don't seem focused on that.

The reason Japan beat us in electronics and automobiles is they started out on price, but eventually, they concentrated on quality, to the point where Americans value Japanese goods as top of the line.

The Chinese are working on quality to make up for pricing being more competitive... while we do... nothing.




Um, in my lifetime, China has only invaded Vietnam. And they pulled out after a month.

Do you want me to list all the countries we've invaded since 1962? It'll be a long list.

We run around threatening to bomb anyone who displeases us, the Chinese build up good will by helping build roads and ports.

As a china

Actually, here's the thing, from someone who does purchasing for a living.

Purchasing is a combination of price, quality, and service.

We are never going to beat the Chinese on price. That's a given. At least not until their standard of living equals ours.

So what we need to work on is quality and service.

we don't seem focused on that.

The reason Japan beat us in electronics and automobiles is they started out on price, but eventually, they concentrated on quality, to the point where Americans value Japanese goods as top of the line.

The Chinese are working on quality to make up for pricing being more competitive... while we do... nothing.




Um, in my lifetime, China has only invaded Vietnam. And they pulled out after a month.

Do you want me to list all the countries we've invaded since 1962? It'll be a long list.

We run around threatening tobomb anyone who displeases us, the Chinese build up good will by helping build roads and ports.

I hope you are aware of Sun Tzu the famous writer that has guided chinese thinking for a millium

His goal is domination by exerting economic or political power

Using overwhelming military force is viewed only as a last resort

But nothing is off the table

Sun Tzu | Art of War, Strategy, & Quotes | Britannica

Sun Tzu was a Chinese military strategist who served the state of Wu near the end of the Spring and Autumn period. He was the reputed author of The Art of War, the earliest known treatise on war and military science.

www.britannica.com

 

[Mac-7]

The reason Japan beat us in electronics and automobiles is they started out on price, but eventually, they concentrated on quality, to the point where Americans value Japanese goods as top of the line.

I agree that Japan beat American electronics on quality as well as price

The difference was not much but it did exist thanks to the legendary work ethic of the Japanese

But dont confuse an ally like Japan that is not a threat to our security with a mortal enemy like china and expect us to treat them the same

Particularly since unlike Japan, china innovates very little and copies much, though often at lower quality but a cheaper price

 

[JoeB131]

I hope you are aware of Sun Tzu the famous writer that has guided chinese thinking for a millium

His goal is domination by exerting economic or political power

Using overwhelming military force is viewed only as a last resort

But nothing is off the table

Not sure what a "millium" is, exactly.

Sun Tzu may not have even existed, just had some quotes attributed to him. The book attributed to him was written during the "Warring States" period, when China wasn't even united.

(The Misus and I watched this 83-episode costume drama about the Warring States period. Basically, every other episode, the female protagonist is being kidnapped or poisoned. It was a very interesting insight into Chinese drama, and the production values were as good as anything you'd see from Hollywood.)

I agree that Japan beat American electronics on quality as well as price

The difference was not much but it did exist thanks to the legendary work ethic of the Japanese

Again, the Chinese have a fantastic work ethic. If you knew any Chinese, you'd know this. Compared to fat, lazy Americans, they work circles around us.

But dont confuse an ally like Japan that is not a threat to our security with a mortal enemy like china and expect us to treat them the same

Right. Japan is an ally? Did you forget about a little thing called "Pearl Harbor"?

Particularly since unlike Japan, china innovates very little and copies much, though often at lower quality but a cheaper price

The Japanese did very little to innovate, either.

Here's the thing. After World War II, a guy named William Deming went to Japan to teach them manufacturing techniques. He gave a lot of these techniques Japanese names, which is why you hear terms KanBan and Kaizen and 5S and Muda now if you have ever taken any high-level manufacturing planning courses like APICS.

While Americans were doing shit like refusing to recall the Pinto for an $11.00 repair because it was just cheaper to pay off the families of people who burned to death, the Japanese were using Demings methods to improve quality and efficiency. And that's why they beat us.


And so are the Chinese, now.

 

[Mac-7]

Not sure what a "millium" is, exactly.

Sun Tzu may not have even existed, just had some quotes attributed to him. The book attributed to him was written during the "Warring States" period, when China wasn't even united.

(The Misus and I watched this 83-episode costume drama about the Warring States period. Basically, every other episode, the female protagonist is being kidnapped or poisoned. It was a very interesting insight into Chinese drama, and the production values were as good as anything you'd see from Hollywood.)



Again, the Chinese have a fantastic work ethic. If you knew any Chinese, you'd know this. Compared to fat, lazy Americans, they work circles around us.



Right. Japan is an ally? Did you forget about a little thing called "Pearl Harbor"?



The Japanese did very little to innovate, either.

Here's the thing. After World War II, a guy named William Deming went to Japan to teach them manufacturing techniques. He gave a lot of these techniques Japanese names, which is why you hear terms KanBan and Kaizen and 5S and Muda now if you have ever taken any high-level manufacturing planning courses like APICS.

While Americans were doing shit like refusing to recall the Pinto for an $11.00 repair because it was just cheaper to pay off the families of people who burned to death, the Japanese were using Demings methods to improve quality and efficiency. And that's why they beat us.


And so are the Chinese, now.

After World War II, a guy named William Deming went to Japan to teach them manufacturing techniques.

Deming offered to teach American companies the same techniques but for many decades they refused to listen

 

[JoeB131]

After World War II, a guy named William Deming went to Japan to teach them manufacturing techniques.

Deming offered to teach American companies the same techniques but for many decades they refused to listen

yes, he did. Shame on us.