Canada caves on tariffs.

[SweetTea]

Was the canadian PM invited to the Big Beautiful Summit in washington over Ukraine?

No

They are too unimportant

Everybody except Democrats knew this was going to happen. The US is in the cat bird seat with regards to tariffs, but with anti-US rhetoric most Democrats have been exposed to, they aren't able to see this.

 

[Mac-7]

but with anti-US rhetoric most Democrats have been exposed to, they aren't able to see this.

True

Their bubble is not transparent

 

[Woodznutz]

Another domino has fallen?

 

[shockedcanadian]

This is good news for America

But bad news for democrats and America hating canadians

To be fair, we didn't really cave, it just didn't work as Canadians authorities had planned and was poorly thought out to begin with. Canada was hitting the U.S products under USMCA protection, so it was Canada, not the U.S violating this agreement since the U.S did not tariff anything protected under USMCA if I am correct.

What this did was add an irritant to an already shaky trading relationship and also probably gave Trump a further excuse to rip up the Agreement next year. This is in fact the greatest fear north of your border.

Trump sees an opportunity to bring back jobs to the U.S and he is going to pursue it with full force it seems.

As it were, I can't repeat enough that Canada should have listened to people like me instead of destroying us.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

This is good news for America

But bad news for democrats and America hating canadians

"Say Uncle" is one of the most common phrases by those who try to FAFO with Trump

 

[Paradoxical#1]

To be fair, we didn't really cave, it just didn't work as Canadians authorities had planned and was poorly thought out to begin with. Canada was hitting the U.S products under USMCA protection, so it was Canada, not the U.S violating this agreement since the U.S did not tariff anything protected under USMCA if I am correct.

What this did was add an irritant to an already shaky trading relationship and also probably gave Trump a further excuse to rip up the Agreement next year. This is in fact the greatest fear north of your border.

Trump sees an opportunity to bring back jobs to the U.S and he is going to pursue it with full force it seems.

As it were, I can't repeat enough that Canada should have listened to people like me instead of destroying us.

You have reasoned arguments about Canada and the United States, and it is normal to want to defend Canada and be concerned about future possibilities. I have a close relative who used to be a staunch conservative who is Hispanic. She drank the Kool-Aid that her friends and relatives would be deported. In spite of the fact that he is targeting only criminals, she thinks they are going to be rounded up tomorrow and hates Trump now. This shows how easily humans are indoctrinated through fear induced by media and politicians and others "in authority"

Trump won this, and he should have. He isn't going to tear up any agreement. He is running America like it should be run. As a business and America first, instead of the liberals who kiss other countries asses and put us last.

I like your postings. Canada screwed up by electing that clown, which again shows how so many people are indoctrinated. He is a far leftist and used to bullying others into accepting his radical positions like going 100% green energy and not caring that energy costs double or even triple. California did what he's doing, and their electrical costs are double that of other states and gas is a buck a gallon higher. But, the Canadians elected another Newsom and will have to pay the price.

 

[wtb]

Everybody except Democrats knew this was going to happen. The US is in the cat bird seat with regards to tariffs, but with anti-US rhetoric most Democrats have been exposed to, they aren't able to see this.

Carney was arrogant, stubborn, and quite slow in seeing the writing on the wall and the reality of his situation. His negotiating strength has weakened going forth because he has now given himself a reputation of not knowing what he's doing and of being a slow learner.

 

[wtb]

What this did was add an irritant to an already shaky trading relationship and also probably gave Trump a further excuse to rip up the Agreement next year. This is in fact the greatest fear north of your border.

All true! Carney is not off to a good start.

 

[Blaster]

Winning!

 

[shockedcanadian]

You have reasoned arguments about Canada and the United States, and it is normal to want to defend Canada and be concerned about future possibilities. I have a close relative who used to be a staunch conservative who is Hispanic. She drank the Kool-Aid that her friends and relatives would be deported. In spite of the fact that he is targeting only criminals, she thinks they are going to be rounded up tomorrow and hates Trump now. This shows how easily humans are indoctrinated through fear induced by media and politicians and others "in authority"

Trump won this, and he should have. He isn't going to tear up any agreement. He is running America like it should be run. As a business and America first, instead of the liberals who kiss other countries asses and put us last.

I like your postings. Canada screwed up by electing that clown, which again shows how so many people are indoctrinated. He is a far leftist and used to bullying others into accepting his radical positions like going 100% green energy and not caring that energy costs double or even triple. California did what he's doing, and their electrical costs are double that of other states and gas is a buck a gallon higher. But, the Canadians elected another Newsom and will have to pay the price.

Well, Trump said Carney is a nice guy. That often leads to Trump winning any trade war but at least he doesn't view him as he does the guy in Australia.

As it were, Canada cannot win in a trade war with America because we didn't innovate. That is our key problem, we lose our best and brightest, promote a MASSIVE government apparatus, often those with family relations to the bloated Security Industrial Complex so that the system is in fact, a caste system in which being intelligent and honourable is looked down upon.

This is how covert Police States work and I hope Carney addresses it in a dramatic fashion.

Carney is at least intelligent. He's far brighter than Trudeau. Trump understands the situation though and the worst person in this has been Premier Doug Ford. When he said "I will cut off their energy and smile" and one of his lackeys in the back smiled with him, it was a REALLY bad decision.

When Trump talks about Canadians being "nasty", that is an example of what he is referring to. Trump does not like threats like that, especially to the well being of Americans during Winter.

So, Trump has decided, I gather, "I am going to take as many jobs and industries from Ontario as I can" Other provinces are losing jobs too because Trump has the cards and he has decided to play his hand.

The TACO acronym which was prematurely used, is not applicable in Trumps dealing with Canada. In fact, he has been unusually indifferent. From his standpoint it's just pure cash for the treasury and will help him to either pay down debt, and/or give some back to citizens, which I suggest he should do, even if just 25% of it to remind citizens of the value of defending their economy. Do it on a scale based on last years income tax with a minimum to everyone even if they aren' working.

Let's assume for arguments sake the U.S collects $360B in tariff in 2025. 25% of that is 90B Divide that by 400M citizens and you come to $225 each, the other 270B can be applied directly to your deficit

Now, how many 18 year olds + do you have working? According to this website it is 170M people. A record right now:

Of this 170M, Trump should decide to give everyone who makes less than $150,000 a return. That might drop the number somewhat. You go from there and give people a check back according to a salary scale. $500-$1000 or something, the math is probably off there as I'm spending too much but you get the idea.

That's what I would do if I were him. Giving 25% back is a big deal to citizens and make them part of the trade negotiations.

 

[ColonelAngus]

This is good for America.

Lefties will hate it.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

All true! Carney is not off to a good start.

The press there did their usual assassination tactics of fear to make Poli lose. The number one indoctrination tactic is to put people in fear. You do that by demonizing the individual or group you want to assassinate. Now, Canada has gotten the government it deserves. We got Biden because they put America in fear of Trump. We lived through a nightmare. It's Canada's turn now. Will the rich elitist Carney change? I doubt it. He is like that fat boy billionaire governor of Illinois is J.B. Pritzker, who is now giving financial aid to illegals. He doesn't care. When you have that much money, you treat the populace like serfs who must do what YOU want them to do.

 

[ColonelAngus]

It is wild that lefties are only happy when bad things happen for the USA,

WHY IS THAT?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, Trump said Carney is a nice guy. That often leads to Trump winning any trade war but at least he doesn't view him as he does the guy in Australia.

As it were, Canada cannot win in a trade war with America because we didn't innovate. That is our key problem, we lose our best and brightest, promote a MASSIVE government apparatus, often those with family relations to the bloated Security Industrial Complex so that the system is in fact, a caste system in which being intelligent and honourable is looked down upon.

This is how covert Police States work and I hope Carney addresses it in a dramatic fashion.

Carney is at least intelligent. He's far brighter than Trudeau. Trump understands the situation though and the worst person in this has been Premier Doug Ford. When he said "I will cut off their energy and smile" and one of his lackeys in the back smiled with him, it was a REALLY bad decision.

When Trump talks about Canadians being "nasty", that is an example of what he is referring to. Trump does not like threats like that, especially to the well being of Americans during Winter.

So, Trump has decided, I gather, "I am going to take as many jobs and industries from Ontario as I can" Other provinces are losing jobs too because Trump has the cards and he has decided to play his hand.

The TACO acronym which was prematurely used, is not applicable in Trumps dealing with Canada. In fact, he has been unusually indifferent. From his standpoint it's just pure cash for the treasury and will help him to either pay down debt, and/or give some back to citizens, which I suggest he should do, even if just 25% of it to remind citizens of the value of defending their economy. Do it on a scale based on last years income tax with a minimum to everyone even if they aren' working.

Let's assume for arguments sake the U.S collects $360B in tariff in 2025. 25% of that is 90B Divide that by 400M citizens and you come to $225 each, the other 270B can be applied directly to your deficit

Now, how many 18 year olds + do you have working? According to this website it is 170M people. A record right now:

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Of this 170M, Trump should decide to give everyone who makes less than $150,000 a return. That might drop the number somewhat. You go from there and give people a check back according to a salary scale. $500-$1000 or something, the math is probably off there as I'm spending too much but you get the idea.

That's what I would do if I were him. Giving 25% back is a big deal to citizens and make them part of the trade negotiations.

I agree 100%. There was talk about a rebate here for tariffs. That is not a good idea. I don't consider a tariff a tax like the liberals here do. I have the option to NOT buy products from other countries, which is my choice. Therefore, there was no tax on me. The middle class here has been screwed by the left. They gave our money to illegal aliens and the shiftless, and already tax the rich heavily. Our corporate tax is already one of the highest. You can only tax the "rich" so much because there are only so many of them, and you tax away incentive when you do that. If I have to pay 50% in taxes, why in the hell should I work that hard?

The elite don't care if you or me have to pay $800.00 a month in electricity costs. They need a cause and if they imagine they are saving the world like Jesus it is screw you Canadians. You all need to get on board with the cause of the elite who have millions and if in government get lavish salaries and perks. If Carney or Ford were a regular citizen ho had to pay $800.00 to a thousand on energy costs and high gas and housing costs, they would shut the eff up. The peons are the ones who suffer and have to cut back on other things to make people like Carney and Ford heros who "save the world."

 

[Nostra]

More winning for America, more losing for the American hating Dimwinger party.

 

[whitehall]

They are all caving. That's what tariffs are for. Good old chump Uncle Sam has been putting up with unfair trade through a dozen administrations and Trump is the only president with the balls to do something about it. Instead of congratulating him the hypocrite biased media criticizes him and the crazy TDS left cheers.

 

[wtb]

The TACO acronym which was prematurely used, is not applicable in Trumps dealing with Canada. In fact, he has been unusually indifferent. From his standpoint it's just pure cash for the treasury and will help him to either pay down debt, and/or give some back to citizens, which I suggest he should do, even if just 25% of it to remind citizens of the value of defending their economy. Do it on a scale based on last years income tax with a minimum to everyone even if they aren' working.

I completely agree that Trump grew indifferent about Canada.

I think Trump reached the point where he just didn't care if any deal was reached or not. He was happy to just collect the tariffs and not even bother with further negotiations, after Carney had been so slow and difficult to negotiate with initially.

Finally, I think Carney realized Canada had been largely forgotten in any of the further trade discussions, and realized the situation he had put himself in.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So much for the tough talk and standing up to Trump.

Canucks Out of Pucks

Maple Leaf mulch.

 

[Michael1985]

There's plenty I don't agree with Pierre Poilievre on, but he's absolutely right on this. So far we have seen the government climb down on both the Digital Services Tax and now the counter-tariffs while getting absolutely nothing in return. Both of those measures should have stayed in place until there's actual movement from the US side, and not just "In the interest of moving the negotiation forward" as the feds have tried so hard to frame it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

They like to use Law Fare in Ontario to destroy their citizens. Their citizens are then with great dismay forced to expose in granular detail the abusers within these same organizations and how they infiltrate U.S corporations, employ transnational trade to violate U.S sovereignty, make life difficult for citizens who respect America and their sacrifices etc.

The outcome is that the economy of so many of these morally flawed jurisdictions pay a steep price as they drive full speed into the wall after decades of destroying potential talent, especially young men. These same criminal agencies and their government benefactors are responsible for one of the greatest declines in Western history. The U.K ironically enough is not too far behind.

Toronto is already $107M short. Wait until next year. Property taxes will have to increase as will the homeless population. They will as usual blame America. They blame them in good and bad times.

The Creepy Ones and their lineage will be fine of course. Americans are learning though...even the some of the weirdos over there who blindly support the Creepy Ones.