Can we beam people?

[Bleipriester]

Getting him out there somehow...

Seriously, I don´t think it is possible for the following reasons.

1. Mind beaming?
Probably, if you beam a person to a certain destination, you are killing this person. Once beamed, the beamed one will be without mind, memory, awareness, ect. It will just fall over, dead.

2. Mind beaming!
Even if it is possible to beam the mind also, you have dissolved the brain that contains the mind, it means you have killed the person. It will just fall over, dead.

3. Full beam!
Even if you managed to beam a person together with mind and it is still alive and self-aware, you have killed the person and created a clone. Because, imagine when you beam and you would not dissolve the target person but just copy it to its destination, then you would have two identical persons. But "normal" beaming includes dissolving the person, you are cutting and pasting, killing the original person, creating a clone. The beamed person will be a clone, when it survives, it will not be the original person.

So, Scotty is not beaming someone up without killing him. The only way to move people like beaming them is to bypass the law of nature, use the powers of the beyond.

I would love to beam you to Pluto

But it is Trump who will go there.

Actually Trump will fly off in a nicer 757 than Air Farce 1

But you stay there and keep your ugly face covered

You know obey the commie rules

You can stop that bs, Trump has acknowledged that Corona is dangerous. We almost cannot die from it but the old farts we are infecting will.

 

[esalla]

Getting him out there somehow...

Seriously, I don´t think it is possible for the following reasons.

1. Mind beaming?
Probably, if you beam a person to a certain destination, you are killing this person. Once beamed, the beamed one will be without mind, memory, awareness, ect. It will just fall over, dead.

2. Mind beaming!
Even if it is possible to beam the mind also, you have dissolved the brain that contains the mind, it means you have killed the person. It will just fall over, dead.

3. Full beam!
Even if you managed to beam a person together with mind and it is still alive and self-aware, you have killed the person and created a clone. Because, imagine when you beam and you would not dissolve the target person but just copy it to its destination, then you would have two identical persons. But "normal" beaming includes dissolving the person, you are cutting and pasting, killing the original person, creating a clone. The beamed person will be a clone, when it survives, it will not be the original person.

So, Scotty is not beaming someone up without killing him. The only way to move people like beaming them is to bypass the law of nature, use the powers of the beyond.

I would love to beam you to Pluto

But it is Trump who will go there.

Actually Trump will fly off in a nicer 757 than Air Farce 1

But you stay there and keep your ugly face covered

You know obey the commie rules

You can stop that bs, Trump has acknowledged that Corona is dangerous. We almost cannot die from it but the old farts we are infecting will.

Trumps 757 is paid for, unlike your cheap car

 

[Quasar44]

Getting him out there somehow...

Seriously, I don´t think it is possible for the following reasons.

1. Mind beaming?
Probably, if you beam a person to a certain destination, you are killing this person. Once beamed, the beamed one will be without mind, memory, awareness, ect. It will just fall over, dead.

2. Mind beaming!
Even if it is possible to beam the mind also, you have dissolved the brain that contains the mind, it means you have killed the person. It will just fall over, dead.

3. Full beam!
Even if you managed to beam a person together with mind and it is still alive and self-aware, you have killed the person and created a clone. Because, imagine when you beam and you would not dissolve the target person but just copy it to its destination, then you would have two identical persons. But "normal" beaming includes dissolving the person, you are cutting and pasting, killing the original person, creating a clone. The beamed person will be a clone, when it survives, it will not be the original person.

So, Scotty is not beaming someone up without killing him. The only way to move people like beaming them is to bypass the law of nature, use the powers of the beyond.

The amount of molecular data in one person dwarfs all the books ever written by mankind
It would be next millennium technology

 

[ReinyDays]

Quantum mechanics is nuts ... something to make engineers learn to keep them humble ...

Gene Roddenberry did his homework ... transporter unit to transporter unit beaming is theoretically possible as shown in Star Trek ... though beaming down to a planet's surface, where there is no transporter unit, takes some literary license ... it was a TV show after all ...

Quantum entanglement as Flac al'Tenn posted above ... matched pairs of particles will hold opposite quantum states ... if our unit sees a "1" here, then we know for certain the other in Space Station Sirius is a "0" ... even if it's 8 light years away ... if we switch ours to a "0", the other orbiting Sirius immediately switches to "1" ... we don't have to wait 8 years ... if we could do this for an entire human body, then the information on how this human body is constructed can be "transmitted" across both time and space and we can reconstruct this body orbiting Sirius ... instantly ... identical ... right down to the very thought crossing the human's mind ...

Matter and energy can travel at the speed of light maximum ... it appears information isn't so restricted ...

The other critically important lesson in Star Trek is that ALL alien women have two large breasts ... without fail ... and by the 24th Century, beastiality will be widely accepted ... and produces fertile offspring ... i.e. Mr Spock ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

 

[MarathonMike]

Quantum mechanics is nuts ... something to make engineers learn to keep them humble ...

Gene Roddenberry did his homework ... transporter unit to transporter unit beaming is theoretically possible as shown in Star Trek ... though beaming down to a planet's surface, where there is no transporter unit, takes some literary license ... it was a TV show after all ...

Quantum entanglement as Flac al'Tenn posted above ... matched pairs of particles will hold opposite quantum states ... if our unit sees a "1" here, then we know for certain the other in Space Station Sirius is a "0" ... even if it's 8 light years away ... if we switch ours to a "0", the other orbiting Sirius immediately switches to "1" ... we don't have to wait 8 years ... if we could do this for an entire human body, then the information on how this human body is constructed can be "transmitted" across both time and space and we can reconstruct this body orbiting Sirius ... instantly ... identical ... right down to the very thought crossing the human's mind ...

Matter and energy can travel at the speed of light maximum ... it appears information isn't so restricted ...

The other critically important lesson in Star Trek is that ALL alien women have two large breasts ... without fail ... and by the 24th Century, beastiality will be widely accepted ... and produces fertile offspring ... i.e. Mr Spock ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Capt. Kirk sure did bag him some alien poon, he was my hero!

 

[Quasar44]

Getting him out there somehow...

Seriously, I don´t think it is possible for the following reasons.

1. Mind beaming?
Probably, if you beam a person to a certain destination, you are killing this person. Once beamed, the beamed one will be without mind, memory, awareness, ect. It will just fall over, dead.

2. Mind beaming!
Even if it is possible to beam the mind also, you have dissolved the brain that contains the mind, it means you have killed the person. It will just fall over, dead.

3. Full beam!
Even if you managed to beam a person together with mind and it is still alive and self-aware, you have killed the person and created a clone. Because, imagine when you beam and you would not dissolve the target person but just copy it to its destination, then you would have two identical persons. But "normal" beaming includes dissolving the person, you are cutting and pasting, killing the original person, creating a clone. The beamed person will be a clone, when it survives, it will not be the original person.

So, Scotty is not beaming someone up without killing him. The only way to move people like beaming them is to bypass the law of nature, use the powers of the beyond.

Interesting topic.


Science fiction author David Brin acknowledged the problem in his sole Star Trek work, a Next Generation graphic novel titled Forgiveness. There, he introduces a 21st Century scientist who invents the transporter, Colin Blakeney. Blakeney faces fear and hatred from groups who believe that once a person steps through the transporter, the result is a soulless copy. At one point, the scientist accidentally beams himself into space, where he rematerializes 300 years later aboard the Enterprise. There, he tells Dr. Crusher what he has now learned.

“The transporter doesn’t just send information on how to build a copy of you," Blakeney concludes. "It sends you… soul and all.”

Redirect Notice

Entertainment is not science. In fact, you have to switch off a person to store its mind somewhere and put it back into the person on its destination. Really off, not put asleep. That means you have killed the person. What you will get is an undead zombie, at best.

As I see it, since quantum identity is defined by state information rather than physical substance, the 'self' endures in the transporter pattern—the energy matrix encoding the quantum-level information of the transported subject's structure—while the physical particles of the body are dissociated (i.e. have their state information temporarily removed from them and stored in the beam instead),” Bennett told Ars. “So when characters in Trek talk about the transporter converting matter to energy, my rationalization is that they don't literally mean mass-energy conversion by E=mc2 (which would entail a horrifyingly destructive energy release), but rather they are talking about your identity, your physical pattern and consciousness, being temporarily encoded in the beam's energy matrix (the transporter pattern) until they can be reunited with your particle stream.”

The description "storing in the beam" cannot hide that it means a conversion into a file, respective on bunch of huge files, stripped off any life.

We are talking 24th century, what if they did find your soul and store it on a computer, your brain is really just an a electrical source

You are talking Star Trek time. I am just talking beaming. And if we have a soul that goes into the beyond, it cannot be stored with means of this world because it follows other laws.
The brain is electric, indeed, but it does not have a "hard drive", once it is off, it is dead.

Ok the transporter goes at the speed of light, your brain doesn't shut off that fast, they could put the body back together again and you would be the same

All the info ever written by humans is about 10 to the 12th power in kB .
Add another 16 zeros and that is the info of a human being
With today’s computers it would take tens of billions of years to download

 

[Quasar44]

Human
You need every atom
It’s exact type of bond to other atoms
Atom locations
It’s spin
It’s vibration
Etc

 

[ReinyDays]

Human
You need every atom
It’s exact type of bond to other atoms
Atom locations
It’s spin
It’s vibration
Etc

Wishful thinking ... by particles, I mean quarks, electrons ... and that's just matter ... we add all the photons, vibrations, spins and colors to add the energy component to our transport beam ... this would be easy with quantum computers returning results instantly ... infinite flops ...

 

[Bleipriester]

Getting him out there somehow...

Seriously, I don´t think it is possible for the following reasons.

1. Mind beaming?
Probably, if you beam a person to a certain destination, you are killing this person. Once beamed, the beamed one will be without mind, memory, awareness, ect. It will just fall over, dead.

2. Mind beaming!
Even if it is possible to beam the mind also, you have dissolved the brain that contains the mind, it means you have killed the person. It will just fall over, dead.

3. Full beam!
Even if you managed to beam a person together with mind and it is still alive and self-aware, you have killed the person and created a clone. Because, imagine when you beam and you would not dissolve the target person but just copy it to its destination, then you would have two identical persons. But "normal" beaming includes dissolving the person, you are cutting and pasting, killing the original person, creating a clone. The beamed person will be a clone, when it survives, it will not be the original person.

So, Scotty is not beaming someone up without killing him. The only way to move people like beaming them is to bypass the law of nature, use the powers of the beyond.

Interesting topic.


Science fiction author David Brin acknowledged the problem in his sole Star Trek work, a Next Generation graphic novel titled Forgiveness. There, he introduces a 21st Century scientist who invents the transporter, Colin Blakeney. Blakeney faces fear and hatred from groups who believe that once a person steps through the transporter, the result is a soulless copy. At one point, the scientist accidentally beams himself into space, where he rematerializes 300 years later aboard the Enterprise. There, he tells Dr. Crusher what he has now learned.

“The transporter doesn’t just send information on how to build a copy of you," Blakeney concludes. "It sends you… soul and all.”

Redirect Notice

Entertainment is not science. In fact, you have to switch off a person to store its mind somewhere and put it back into the person on its destination. Really off, not put asleep. That means you have killed the person. What you will get is an undead zombie, at best.

As I see it, since quantum identity is defined by state information rather than physical substance, the 'self' endures in the transporter pattern—the energy matrix encoding the quantum-level information of the transported subject's structure—while the physical particles of the body are dissociated (i.e. have their state information temporarily removed from them and stored in the beam instead),” Bennett told Ars. “So when characters in Trek talk about the transporter converting matter to energy, my rationalization is that they don't literally mean mass-energy conversion by E=mc2 (which would entail a horrifyingly destructive energy release), but rather they are talking about your identity, your physical pattern and consciousness, being temporarily encoded in the beam's energy matrix (the transporter pattern) until they can be reunited with your particle stream.”

The description "storing in the beam" cannot hide that it means a conversion into a file, respective on bunch of huge files, stripped off any life.

We are talking 24th century, what if they did find your soul and store it on a computer, your brain is really just an a electrical source

You are talking Star Trek time. I am just talking beaming. And if we have a soul that goes into the beyond, it cannot be stored with means of this world because it follows other laws.
The brain is electric, indeed, but it does not have a "hard drive", once it is off, it is dead.

Ok the transporter goes at the speed of light, your brain doesn't shut off that fast, they could put the body back together again and you would be the same

All the info ever written by humans is about 10 to the 12th power in kB .
Add another 16 zeros and that is the info of a human being
With today’s computers it would take tens of billions of years to download

We also should not forget that the human body is a biologic machine. It does not have an on/off switch. Once it is off, it is broken.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Bennett concludes that quantum teleportation—a real phenomenon—offers a conclusive, scientific answer to the problem. Quantum teleportation is a process by which information about a particle’s quantum state is traded with another particle at the receiving end, essentially transforming that particle into the original particle.

When we observed the state of a quantum particle, we alter its behavior.

That's because it is a particle/wave. You can only theories it as either a relative particle or a quantum wave as it has both properties.

 

[22lcidw]

Quantum mechanics is nuts ... something to make engineers learn to keep them humble ...

Gene Roddenberry did his homework ... transporter unit to transporter unit beaming is theoretically possible as shown in Star Trek ... though beaming down to a planet's surface, where there is no transporter unit, takes some literary license ... it was a TV show after all ...

Quantum entanglement as Flac al'Tenn posted above ... matched pairs of particles will hold opposite quantum states ... if our unit sees a "1" here, then we know for certain the other in Space Station Sirius is a "0" ... even if it's 8 light years away ... if we switch ours to a "0", the other orbiting Sirius immediately switches to "1" ... we don't have to wait 8 years ... if we could do this for an entire human body, then the information on how this human body is constructed can be "transmitted" across both time and space and we can reconstruct this body orbiting Sirius ... instantly ... identical ... right down to the very thought crossing the human's mind ...

Matter and energy can travel at the speed of light maximum ... it appears information isn't so restricted ...

The other critically important lesson in Star Trek is that ALL alien women have two large breasts ... without fail ... and by the 24th Century, beastiality will be widely accepted ... and produces fertile offspring ... i.e. Mr Spock ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Capt. Kirk sure did bag him some alien poon, he was my hero!

Kirk went beyond something as mundane as race in his sexual exploits. He left little Kirks from different species all across the quadrant. Helping to bring peace for us all from him getting a piece.