Can We Agree?

[Rustic]

Nazi youth maybe !

Perhaps you could explain how permitting those on the public dole the honor of working for it, and for the reinstatement of their privilege to vote follows Nazi thought.

Well first off 1/2 of that shit would be unconstitutional ! Then there's the racist part. Then there's the parts that logistically wouldnt work .

None of it is unconstitutional, nor racist. What would not work logistically?

Laughed my ass off when he posted some of it was racist.

Oh the "20 inch rims" line was typical dog whistle shit .

If the shoe fits... Lol

 

[Rustic]

Excellent. There may yet be hope for American youth.

Nazi youth maybe !

Perhaps you could explain how permitting those on the public dole the honor of working for it, and for the reinstatement of their privilege to vote follows Nazi thought.

Well first off 1/2 of that shit would be unconstitutional ! Then there's the racist part. Then there's the parts that logistically wouldnt work .

None of it is unconstitutional, nor racist. What would not work logistically?

You don't think it's unconstitutional to deny someone the right to vote because they are on bennies ?

Why not say "no guns if you get benefits " ? Sell your Guns ! No, we get "rims".

No one has a right to plasma, last I looked firearms are an right... Lol

 

[Rustic]

It's well documented that red states and RWs are the recipients of the most welfare.

It's also fact that children and the elderly receive the most food stamps.

Disabled vets, thanks to W and Repubs make up a large percentage of homeless and govt assist recipients.

Women raising children alone because of deadbeat dads receive assistance.

Walmart and other mega-wealthy corps pay slave wages while teaching their employees to get welfare.

Do the RWNJ traitors take any of these facts into consideration?


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Government waste is the name of the game....

 

[Rustic]

It says "right to vote " . And under the 14th we all have equal protection . 15th , protectss against racial discrimination .

Think of the 2nd . Ya righties love to quote "right to bear arms ".

Timmy want a laugh....

Fact Check: Rant on welfare abuse hits home with Internet admirers

Times-Union readers want to know:

An email I received recounts this letter by a 21-year-old female that was published in the Waco, Texas, newspaper. The email starts off: “Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards. No cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese, and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.” Is this for real?

Yes, the letter was published in the Nov. 18, 2010, edition of the Waco Tribune Herald. But it wasn’t written by a 21-year-old female. Just the opposite.

Alfred W. Evans, a 56-year-old resident of Gatesville, Texas, wrote the letter to the editor hoping to get others incensed about welfare abuse. What he didn’t expect, according to an interview with him in the Tribune Herald in November 2012, was that the letter would be emailed across the country and become an Internet phenomenon.

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Evans told the newspaper that he doesn’t oppose all government assistance; his beef is with people who abuse the system. He said he doesn’t even have a problem with tattoos, of which his wife has several. What he opposes is people who take government money and then use their own cash to get tattoos.

Does it really matter??
The country Is FUBAR... The sense of entitlement has crippled the country...

 

[Rustic]

remember when I used to work in a supermarket way back when and they had a program called WIC that gave out what were basically food stamps but all that could be purchased were milk, formula, eggs, and cereals

I see no reason why there can't be similar restrictions on food stamps

And seeing as how the republicans control the Congress, why haven't they fixed all that for you? You know, why haven't the republicans returned us to the good ole days?

Why did the republicans want control of congress if they won't do anything?

Politicians don't work, never have.
They just take... Like little Robin Hoods

 

[Rustic]

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22-inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."

Because as we all know, the people on food stamps are negroes with 22-inch rims.

Oops. Her mask slipped a little!

Again, if the shoe fits... Lol

 

[Rustic]

Put me in charge of food stamps no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of your education, and you will use proper grammar and punctuation.

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[Rustic]

Poor, ignorant rubes. They have been conditioned into bleeving their problems are somehow the fault of negroes with 22-inch rims, and Mexicans.

 

[Rustic]

It says "right to vote " . And under the 14th we all have equal protection . 15th , protectss against racial discrimination .

Think of the 2nd . Ya righties love to quote "right to bear arms ".

Timmy want a laugh....

Fact Check: Rant on welfare abuse hits home with Internet admirers

Times-Union readers want to know:

An email I received recounts this letter by a 21-year-old female that was published in the Waco, Texas, newspaper. The email starts off: “Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards. No cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese, and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.” Is this for real?

Yes, the letter was published in the Nov. 18, 2010, edition of the Waco Tribune Herald. But it wasn’t written by a 21-year-old female. Just the opposite.

Alfred W. Evans, a 56-year-old resident of Gatesville, Texas, wrote the letter to the editor hoping to get others incensed about welfare abuse. What he didn’t expect, according to an interview with him in the Tribune Herald in November 2012, was that the letter would be emailed across the country and become an Internet phenomenon.

..........
Evans told the newspaper that he doesn’t oppose all government assistance; his beef is with people who abuse the system. He said he doesn’t even have a problem with tattoos, of which his wife has several. What he opposes is people who take government money and then use their own cash to get tattoos.

AGAIN NOT A 21 YEAR OLD

Again, the federal government has zero credibility...

 

[Rustic]

Why do some think the people on welfare are entitled to luxuries afforded by the employed, and not just basic substance?

-Geaux

My point didn't really have anything to do with your reply.

To answer your question, I don't think those who don't work should be entitled to luxuries at all.

However to return to my point, the person is regurgitating what has been force fed her. Solutions for the problem of welfare are not as simple as what she's making out. There's not much thinking going on at all. That's why I have a problem with what has been said.

Force fed? I'd say it's common sense.
There was a time when being on welfare was embarrassing...those days need to return.

You'd say it's common sense huh? I wouldn't, I don't have time right now to go into it, I gotta run, but I'll try and remember when I get back in a looooong while.

I'd say things need to change, but not necessarily with simplistic nonsense.

When there's no shame being on the dole and they come to feel it's their right to receive it we have a problem.
And it should be abundantly clear to those who are on welfare that they are a burden on society and the benefits they receive should reflect that.

You think this is all about shame. I don't.

A good system works because it works.

Shame won't exist in the modern world because people can hide away from their neighbors, no longer reliant on the community around them, the world has changed, and people need to accept these changes.

What I believe is that people should get welfare based on what they have done. If you haven't paid into the system for five years, you should get nothing. After five years you should be the first level, you lose your job, you get welfare. I'm not sure what works best, whether welfare lasts for a certain amount of time, or the welfare payments get reduced after a period of time or not. Then after say 10 years of work that welfare level would rise, then after 15, or 20 years it would rise again. You paid in to the system, you should be able to get something out.
Also, those who have worked for a long period of time, are liable to have a work ethic, and therefore want to rely less on welfare, this would work better than your view, in my opinion, because you've built up a work ethic, instead of expecting people to have it at the age of 18.

For those who can't get welfare, there should be choices. The choice of education, I don't mean English literature and things like that, but work based education that aims to give people the skills they need to get jobs. The same in prisons too, so that prisoners when they leave prisons also have the ability to work.
The choice of some kind of apprenticeship, so that companies can do the same, educate people, get paid for educating them.
Joining the Armed Forces. Okay, the option is already there, but pushing this with those who aren't in work.
Community projects.
Whatever happens, these people only get money if they're actually doing something.

I believe we have similar ideas based on this, basically to stop there being the entitlement attitude that exists quite strongly in certain parts of the country.

However education is also essential to this, and by this I mean pre-19 education. Having education which isn't a one size fits all type education, where kids are learning skills that are necessary to their future, this depends on the person.
In poor inner city areas with major problems there needs to be a massive program of trying to reverse the entitlement attitude, the crime attitude and so on.

The problem is, many politicians aren't interested much in this. Look at the Flint water supply issue, who cares? No one, it doesn't enhance their career, so they don't bother.

Politicians shouldn't be about career enhancing, they should be about working for the people, they're also into this entitlement nonsense, just in a different way.

This is what happens with a 100% socialist society, with 100% government control, a wash with welfare. Right smack in the middle of the country... Only getting worse by the day.
This is "it takes a village" mentality at its best...

Pine Ridge Indian Reservation

Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota is the poorest county in the United States and the community that Re-Member serves.

Why help Pine Ridge Reservation?
From 1980 to 2000, the counties that make up Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota comprised the poorest of our nation's 3,143 counties. The 2000 census found them the third poorest, not because things got better on Pine Ridge, but because things got worse on two other South Dakota Indian Reservations.

Population
While the 2000 census reported a population of 15,521, a study by Colorado State University and accepted by U.S. Housing & Urban Development (HUD) estimated the population at 28,000. Tribal Government records show 38,000 enrolled members living on Pine Ridge Reservation.

Extreme Poverty
The poverty on Pine Ridge can be described in no other terms than third world. It is common to find homes overcrowded, as those with homes take in whoever needs a roof over their heads. Many homes are without running water, and without sewer.

Pine Ridge Statistics as of 2007

• Unemployment rate of 80-90%
• Per capita income of $4,000
• 8 Times the United States rate of diabetes
• 5 Times the United States rate of cervical cancer
• Twice the rate of heart disease
• 8 Times the United States rate of Tuberculosis
• Alcoholism rate estimated as high as 80%
• 1 in 4 infants born with fetal alcohol syndrome or effects
• Suicide rate more than twice the national rate
• Teen suicide rate 4 times the national rate
• Infant mortality is three times the national rate
• Life expectancy on Pine Ridge is the lowest in the United States and the 2nd lowest in the Western Hemisphere. Only Haiti has a lower rate.

 

[Freewill]

I can see problems, although reform such as listed could work.

I do not see enough work for the low educated low skilled workers. Yes they could flip burgers but that hardly is enough to live off of. First our borders are flooding with low skill, low educated workers. Second the jobs they could be doing are being encouraged to be moved off shore, aka Cuban tractor factory. Thirdly, every day I read about how robots are going to displace these types of jobs. Fourthly Social Security is ALWAYS a target for cut backs although it is a self sufficent program, right now. We should encourage folks to retire to make way for the younger generation that needs cash to raise a family. Finally, a way out has always been the military and that is even drying up.

I realize something needs done, but can we really cut large sums of people from welfare and expect them to find jobs when there are none? And if that happens how will they survive? Will they just starve to death or would they try to take what someone else has? How full can we make our prisons?

I agree with the premise of the OP. Incentives to work and be self sufficient are great and are what is needed. How that happens with the mess we have made of America is anyone's guess. But I seriously doubt any on the bullets in the OP will come to pass.

 

[hazlnut]

Hats off to ever this young lady was. Bravo

-Geaux
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This was written by an unnamed 21 yr. old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . ..

Put me in charge of food stamps no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.


Put me in charge of Medicaid. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.


In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22-inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check . If you want to vote, then get a job .

Most people on medicaid and food stamps have a job... at Walmart.

This 21 yo dumb slit should have her tubes tied so she doesn't infect children with her grotesque and vile ignorance.

 

[hazlnut]

All of these ideas have already been tried and rejected by Democratic politicians selling "entitlements" for votes. Once given, they can never be taken back.

You don't know what an "entitlement" is.

VA = entitlement.

SS = entitlement.

Medicare = entitlement.

The Health Care that every senator and congressman and their entire staff and families get = entitlement.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hats off to ever this young lady was. Bravo

-Geaux
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This was written by an unnamed 21 yr. old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . ..

Put me in charge of food stamps no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.


Put me in charge of Medicaid. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.


In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22-inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check . If you want to vote, then get a job .

Most people on medicaid and food stamps have a job... at Walmart.

This 21 yo dumb slit should have her tubes tied so she doesn't infect children with her grotesque and vile ignorance.

It be way more cost effective to sterilize all those ghetto mommas with six kids.
I mean really,lets get to the root of the problem.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

All of these ideas have already been tried and rejected by Democratic politicians selling "entitlements" for votes. Once given, they can never be taken back.

You don't know what an "entitlement" is.

VA = entitlement.

SS = entitlement.

Medicare = entitlement.

The Health Care that every senator and congressman and their entire staff and families get = entitlement.

You dumbfucks try this ploy on a regular basis.
When you pay for something it isn't an entitlement.

 

[Arizona Willie]

no. we can't agree. neither she nor you "get it" at all.

Why don't you explain "it" to the rest of us?

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You're an ultra right winger ... therefore you don't have enough brains to understand if someone did set you down and explain it.

Go back to your Fox News coloring books.

 

[jon_berzerk]

All of these ideas have already been tried and rejected by Democratic politicians selling "entitlements" for votes. Once given, they can never be taken back.

You don't know what an "entitlement" is.

VA = entitlement.

SS = entitlement.

Medicare = entitlement.

The Health Care that every senator and congressman and their entire staff and families get = entitlement.

You dumbfucks try this ploy on a regular basis.
When you pay for something it isn't an entitlement.

unless you are a libtard

 

[Weatherman2020]

Hats off to ever this young lady was. Bravo

-Geaux

So memorable you can't even figure out who she is or if she actually exists.

No, the words just wrote themselves.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Really? Lectured by a 21 year old who probably lives off mommy n daddy .

I wish we knew who she was so we could point out all the "welfare " she benefits from.

Proving the left can't grasp the concept of self reliance.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Hats off to ever this young lady was. Bravo

-Geaux
------------------

This was written by an unnamed 21 yr. old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . ..

Put me in charge of food stamps no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.


Put me in charge of Medicaid. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.


In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22-inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check . If you want to vote, then get a job .

Most people on medicaid and food stamps have a job... at Walmart.

This 21 yo dumb slit should have her tubes tied so she doesn't infect children with her grotesque and vile ignorance.

It be way more cost effective to sterilize all those ghetto mommas with six kids.
I mean really,lets get to the root of the problem.

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There is very little I < ever > agree with conservatives on.

But I do agree that any woman who has a second child with no Daddy taking responsibility should be sterilized.

Women should not make a living off of the taxpayers by laying on their back.

If they have six or seven kids they get thousands a month for Aide to Dependent Children and / or other social welfare programs. Even as a lifelong Liberal I don't think that is right.

The worst isn't because she is sponging off the taxpayers as the fact that it is a terrible environment for the kids. Those women sleep all day and party all night and neglect their kids.

Over 80% of the people in prison are children of single parent families.

They raise their own gang of criminals.