Can "Moderate" leftists un-ring the bell?

[jc456]

It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".

If you don’t know it , you’re a radical leftist. Not moderate

Define it, is that so difficult?

Only a true moderate can see the radical.

 

[jc456]

It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".

Fair question.

1) The Democrat party platform
2) DNC talking points
3) The position every leftist on the board has every day in every discussion and for the same reason
4) Every position you have on the board every day in every discussion

There you go, four answers that are all exactly the same thing

Well...Kaz...that is both vague and amusing at the same time....

Let’s start with positions.

The Far left wants Open borders................

They want laws in place that make them citizens ............Blanket Amnesty..........

We want the border Secure...............

Middle Ground is a compromise between the 2............The SNAG...............we refuse any deals that do not secure the border first..............

The far left refuse any deals that don't leave it Open..........

So who here supports the middle Ground were both sides win and both sides lose............as the Founding Fathers Meant it to be.

More bullshit.

No one wants open borders. That is like claiming the right wants to kill brown children.

In fact...immigration is one of the rare points of fairly broad agreement. Most on both sides want increased security (personnel, electronics, etc)...most oppose that security in the form of a physical wall across the border. Most want a humane solution or DACA. Most want a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill to cover immigration as a whole, they disagree on the details but that is negotiable. It is the president who is putting a stopper in it by trying to stick his ideas of immigration reform in to another bill and refusing anything that doesn’t fund his pet wall.

Unfortunately that doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, in a tweet or in your talking points.

The fact is, radical left do want open borders. See you don’t think so . They want the illegal aliens to vote. More radical. Keep going that’s two. And you’ll deny both. True radical

 

[Coyote]

For those of you who used to consider yourselves moderate leftists, but have been co-opted by Trump Derangement Syndrome into rubber stamping the radical left's agenda, I have a question. Where do you go from here when Trump is gone? Can you un-ring the bell? Can you somehow go back to believing you have moderate positions, not radical left positions as you are supporting now?

No, the Left has crossed a bridge too far. They raised their successor generation to be a bunch of ignorant and functionally illiterate whinging Social Justice bullies. The Progs have taken over the party. The best that moderate leftists can do is to join up with the GOP and support more independent and libertarian leading candidates.

Join with the radical right consoling the GOP? Not likely.

 

[Coyote]

It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".

Fair question.

1) The Democrat party platform
2) DNC talking points
3) The position every leftist on the board has every day in every discussion and for the same reason
4) Every position you have on the board every day in every discussion

There you go, four answers that are all exactly the same thing

Well...Kaz...that is both vague and amusing at the same time....

Let’s start with positions.

The Far left wants Open borders................

They want laws in place that make them citizens ............Blanket Amnesty..........

We want the border Secure...............

Middle Ground is a compromise between the 2............The SNAG...............we refuse any deals that do not secure the border first..............

The far left refuse any deals that don't leave it Open..........

So who here supports the middle Ground were both sides win and both sides lose............as the Founding Fathers Meant it to be.

More bullshit.

No one wants open borders. That is like claiming the right wants to kill brown children.

In fact...immigration is one of the rare points of fairly broad agreement. Most on both sides want increased security (personnel, electronics, etc)...most oppose that security in the form of a physical wall across the border. Most want a humane solution or DACA. Most want a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill to cover immigration as a whole, they disagree on the details but that is negotiable. It is the president who is putting a stopper in it by trying to stick his ideas of immigration reform in to another bill and refusing anything that doesn’t fund his pet wall.

Unfortunately that doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, in a tweet or in your talking points.

The fact is, radical left do want open borders. See you don’t think so . They want the illegal aliens to vote. More radical. Keep going that’s two. And you’ll deny both. True radical

You are such a liar. Keep going, I have endless popcorn.

 

[BlackFlag]

^ ironic

The only way you and that moronic mod could find that ironic is if you have ignored my posting history. And if you're referring to the loons who run for office on the right the GOP OFTEN demand they step down and refuse to fund them. Just like Todd Akin. And our party has many divisions within it unlike the lockstep lemming left

Roy Moore and Donald Trump

/conversation

Roy Moore isn't a radical he's a creep.

Trump was elected DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF THE GOP.

You fail on both counts just like the left always does.

Trump had the full backing of the RNC during the election, and still does. Roy Moore is a radical nutjob, who decent people thought was a monster even before it came out that he molested lots of children.

The RNC =/= the GOP.

They had the full backing of all but a handful in the GOP. Ted Cruz was booed out of the convention and his wife escorted out in fear for her safety because he was the one person with the balls to not endorse Trump. He has since been castrated.

 

[rightwinger]

You hate gays. You think same sex relationships are “yucky”
As a result, you seek to prevent gays from serving in the military. You don’t want the government granting the same recognition that your relationships receive

It is YOU forcing your views on others

I hate gays? No, I do not. I have no reason to hate them. I don't care about same sex relationships at all. I have never done anything to prevent gays from doing anything at all. You, on the other hand, are all about forcing me to do things against my will.

Why do you think I hate gays?

Then why are you bitching if they get married ?
What is against your will?

Where on earth have I ever bitched about gays being married? I support gay marriage. An individual should be able to marry anyone they want. You are just a loon is all.

Then it wasn’t forced on you against your will, was it?

What about your false accusations against me? Are you going to be a man and apologize for that. As a matter of fact, I have been known to fight quite viciously on this forum for gays right to marry one another. No government should be able to tell us who we can marry (as long as both parties are ADULTs and are both consenting to the arrangement). I also don't think government should force other people to pay for someone else's "recreational activities."

I respectfully apologize for my error

 

[rightwinger]

It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".

Fair question.

1) The Democrat party platform
2) DNC talking points
3) The position every leftist on the board has every day in every discussion and for the same reason
4) Every position you have on the board every day in every discussion

There you go, four answers that are all exactly the same thing

Well...Kaz...that is both vague and amusing at the same time....

Let’s start with positions.

The Far left wants Open borders................

They want laws in place that make them citizens ............Blanket Amnesty..........

We want the border Secure...............

Middle Ground is a compromise between the 2............The SNAG...............we refuse any deals that do not secure the border first..............

The far left refuse any deals that don't leave it Open..........

So who here supports the middle Ground were both sides win and both sides lose............as the Founding Fathers Meant it to be.

More bullshit.

No one wants open borders. That is like claiming the right wants to kill brown children.

In fact...immigration is one of the rare points of fairly broad agreement. Most on both sides want increased security (personnel, electronics, etc)...most oppose that security in the form of a physical wall across the border. Most want a humane solution or DACA. Most want a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill to cover immigration as a whole, they disagree on the details but that is negotiable. It is the president who is putting a stopper in it by trying to stick his ideas of immigration reform in to another bill and refusing anything that doesn’t fund his pet wall.

Unfortunately that doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, in a tweet or in your talking points.

The fact is, radical left do want open borders. See you don’t think so . They want the illegal aliens to vote. More radical. Keep going that’s two. And you’ll deny both. True radical

Open borders do not scare me. I look at sealing them as a waste of money
Nobody wants illegal aliens to vote .....
I welcome expanding the accessibility of work permits

 

[jc456]

For those of you who used to consider yourselves moderate leftists, but have been co-opted by Trump Derangement Syndrome into rubber stamping the radical left's agenda, I have a question. Where do you go from here when Trump is gone? Can you un-ring the bell? Can you somehow go back to believing you have moderate positions, not radical left positions as you are supporting now?

No, the Left has crossed a bridge too far. They raised their successor generation to be a bunch of ignorant and functionally illiterate whinging Social Justice bullies. The Progs have taken over the party. The best that moderate leftists can do is to join up with the GOP and support more independent and libertarian leading candidates.

Join with the radical right consoling the GOP? Not likely.

See how radical you are, projecting yourself

 

[jc456]

The only way you and that moronic mod could find that ironic is if you have ignored my posting history. And if you're referring to the loons who run for office on the right the GOP OFTEN demand they step down and refuse to fund them. Just like Todd Akin. And our party has many divisions within it unlike the lockstep lemming left

Roy Moore and Donald Trump

/conversation

Roy Moore isn't a radical he's a creep.

Trump was elected DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF THE GOP.

You fail on both counts just like the left always does.

Trump had the full backing of the RNC during the election, and still does. Roy Moore is a radical nutjob, who decent people thought was a monster even before it came out that he molested lots of children.

The RNC =/= the GOP.

They had the full backing of all but a handful in the GOP. Ted Cruz was booed out of the convention and his wife escorted out in fear for her safety because he was the one person with the balls to not endorse Trump. He has since been castrated.

How the fk you figure that? And what does it have to do with the OP?

 

[jc456]

It's impossible answer the OP's question if he can't or won't define this "radical left agenda".

Fair question.

1) The Democrat party platform
2) DNC talking points
3) The position every leftist on the board has every day in every discussion and for the same reason
4) Every position you have on the board every day in every discussion

There you go, four answers that are all exactly the same thing

Well...Kaz...that is both vague and amusing at the same time....

Let’s start with positions.

The Far left wants Open borders................

They want laws in place that make them citizens ............Blanket Amnesty..........

We want the border Secure...............

Middle Ground is a compromise between the 2............The SNAG...............we refuse any deals that do not secure the border first..............

The far left refuse any deals that don't leave it Open..........

So who here supports the middle Ground were both sides win and both sides lose............as the Founding Fathers Meant it to be.

More bullshit.

No one wants open borders. That is like claiming the right wants to kill brown children.

In fact...immigration is one of the rare points of fairly broad agreement. Most on both sides want increased security (personnel, electronics, etc)...most oppose that security in the form of a physical wall across the border. Most want a humane solution or DACA. Most want a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill to cover immigration as a whole, they disagree on the details but that is negotiable. It is the president who is putting a stopper in it by trying to stick his ideas of immigration reform in to another bill and refusing anything that doesn’t fund his pet wall.

Unfortunately that doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, in a tweet or in your talking points.

The fact is, radical left do want open borders. See you don’t think so . They want the illegal aliens to vote. More radical. Keep going that’s two. And you’ll deny both. True radical

You are such a liar. Keep going, I have endless popcorn.

More radical games you have it down

 

[BlackFlag]

How the fk you figure that?

Because it actually happened and there is plenty of video.

 

[rightwinger]

How the fk you figure that?

Because it actually happened and there is plenty of video.

Show us some

 

[Coyote]

This whole thread is an example of of what is wrong with this country. Both sides blatantly lie about the other, demonize and misrepresent each other, can’t possibly conceive of any merit in meeting part way. This is why we are fucked as a country, and why we elected a pompous, self aggrandizing lying demagogue as president. We have closed ourselves into little safe space bubbles where we are nurtured on disinformation, believe lies about the other and proclaim ourselves patriots.

We deserve Trump, because we can no longer recognize ethics, decency, integrity, humility or balance as standards to be admired. We are fucked as a country.

 

[BlackFlag]

How the fk you figure that?

Because it actually happened and there is plenty of video.

Show us some

 

[rightwinger]

If birth control was super expensive, then I might agree to subsidizing it for poor people, but it is not super expensive. If you are going to have sex, then you need to be the one weighing the pros and cons of your activities. If you do not want to have a baby, then wrap it up! Take your own precautions. It is not up to everyone else to baby you and to take care of you!

Without subsidies or insurance it can get to be very expensive

 

[jc456]

This whole thread is an example of of what is wrong with this country. Both sides blatantly lie about the other, demonize and misrepresent each other, can’t possibly conceive of any merit in meeting part way. This is why we are fucked as a country, and why we elected a pompous, self aggrandizing lying demagogue as president. We have closed ourselves into little safe space bubbles where we are nurtured on disinformation, believe lies about the other and proclaim ourselves patriots.

We deserve Trump, because we can no longer recognize ethics, decency, integrity, humility or balance as standards to be admired. We are fucked as a country.

Defending oneself after 50 years really bothers you leftists. Trump stands up to leftists and they like you can’t handle it

 

[kaz]

What does that even mean? You are free to fire your employer any time you want and get a better one. That is the only true way to protect employees. As for human rights? You're just drowning in propaganda and you're completely ignorant of the rest of the world.

And government everywhere is the threat to human rights, they are the solution nowhere. You protect human rights by limiting government

They want "forced equality". You will be FORCED to accept me and my weird quirks or else! Lol.

You are not forced to do anything. You are free to hate anyone you please

But you can’t get the government to enforce your hatred. If you own a business, you cannot refuse service

Who do I hate? How am I trying to get the government to "enforce" any hatred? Please explain your ridiculous comments. Thanks.

You hate gays. You think same sex relationships are “yucky”
As a result, you seek to prevent gays from serving in the military. You don’t want the government granting the same recognition that your relationships receive

It is YOU forcing your views on others

I hate gays? No, I do not. I have no reason to hate them. I don't care about same sex relationships at all. I have never done anything to prevent gays from doing anything at all. You, on the other hand, are all about forcing me to do things against my will.

Why do you think I hate gays?

Right winger is a sexual deviant, but a different kind. I have him on ignore for repeatedly making specific sexual references I don't care to repeat about my daughter. He should have been permanently banned. She wasn't a minor, but she was pretty close.

Do you notice how macho leftists always go after women with sexual references to other posters? I have Franco on ignore for saying he had sex with my mother and sister

 

[kaz]

You are not forced to do anything. You are free to hate anyone you please

But you can’t get the government to enforce your hatred. If you own a business, you cannot refuse service

Who do I hate? How am I trying to get the government to "enforce" any hatred? Please explain your ridiculous comments. Thanks.

You hate gays. You think same sex relationships are “yucky”
As a result, you seek to prevent gays from serving in the military. You don’t want the government granting the same recognition that your relationships receive

It is YOU forcing your views on others

I hate gays? No, I do not. I have no reason to hate them. I don't care about same sex relationships at all. I have never done anything to prevent gays from doing anything at all. You, on the other hand, are all about forcing me to do things against my will.

Why do you think I hate gays?

Then why are you bitching if they get married ?
What is against your will?

Where on earth have I ever bitched about gays being married? I support gay marriage. An individual should be able to marry anyone they want. You are just a loon is all.

I oppose gay government marriage. Though that's misleading, I oppose straight government marriage too. Government should treat all of it's citizens the same

 

[kaz]

LBGT people are American citizens and such defense shouldn't be considered far left at all as they're people for Christ sakes

For Christ sakes what? Can you give me a subject what you are talking about? Who is somehow harming the LBGT community?

I have quite a few moderate to right wing positions that I believe in. I just think that we should have an safetynet, help the poor and treat people with respect. Is that ok?

Sure, if you want to pay for it. I will contribute too if you come up with an effective program. If you mean rob the rich and enslave the poor as Democrats advocate, I'm out

I believe in the death penalty, I believe in an large amount of capitalism and aint afraid to have a large military for starters.

I am against metoo and blacklivesmatters.

So why are you consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome then?

1. LBGT people deserve legal protection just like anyone else. They shouldn't be made to feel that they aint welcome within our society either. Freedom is about accepting that not everyone is going to live the way you do. One example is the hatred for trangender people as I believe it is unfounded and needs to stop, while another is the bans on gay adoption of children...Why exactly should anyone be excluded that is a citizen of our country? Some people will even argue that these people shouldn't get medical attention for Pete sakes. It is about human rights and being an society that accepts people as people.

2. We're all better off for having SSI for the old, an educated population(85% of the population get tax payer education) and exist to healthcare for most of our society through medicaid and medicare. Something like 80% of all old people use these programs for nursing home care, etc.A lot of these people would be the poor that are in the gutter if not for these programs as in india and some of the poorer parts of the world. Our economy is far larger for it and our standards of living are higher than most of the world that doesn't have it. I am arguing that it is worth it for me and you to have it.

3. Because of his attacks on human rights as explained in 1. and his disrespect for the poor in my second argument.

Legal protection from what?

LGBT have all the rights everyone else does. Jessica wants them to have extra rights

 

[kaz]

For those of you who used to consider yourselves moderate leftists, but have been co-opted by Trump Derangement Syndrome into rubber stamping the radical left's agenda, I have a question. Where do you go from here when Trump is gone? Can you un-ring the bell? Can you somehow go back to believing you have moderate positions, not radical left positions as you are supporting now?

I believe in human rights for all humans, period. This is a moderate position, LBGT people are American citizens and such defense shouldn't be considered far left at all as they're people for Christ sakes. I have quite a few moderate to right wing positions that I believe in. I just think that we should have an safetynet, help the poor and treat people with respect. Is that ok?

I believe in the death penalty, I believe in an large amount of capitalism and aint afraid to have a large military for starters.

I am against metoo and blacklivesmatters.

Do you know the difference between capitalism and corporatism?

Corporatism is pretty much capitalism out of control. Big businesses use the government for their own advancement and seek full control over the market place through special favors.

Marxist Rhetoric. Corporatism is a form of socialism. It has nothing to do with capitalism. Either Government makes our choices (socialism, Marxism, leftism, authoritarianism, corporatism, ...) or we do (capitalism).

And capitalism doesn't go out of control, government does. That's what causes corporatism. Corporatism is GOVERNMENT regulation. Cut with the propaganda.

Jessica: Government is too strong, let's make it stronger!!!

Both examples of socialism, not capitalism. Socialism is government deciding. That isn't capitalism in any form.

Go barf your Marxist rhetoric somewhere else