Call to move the Winter Olympics

[Unkotare]

More and more people and organizations are calling upon the IOC to move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia due to Russia's new laws on Homosexuality.

George Takei petitions: ?Move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia? ? MSNBC

Stephen Fry: Move Olympics from anti-gay Russia | News.com.au

What do you think, considering that there are most likely gay athletes and spectators and Russia has threatened to arrest, detain, then deport anyone who even appears to support gays in any way.

It should be moved - why would a gay athlete want to attend?

Why would anyone care whether a gay athlete wants to attend?

Why would anyone need to know if an athlete were gay or not?

 

[Seawytch]

"...It should be moved - why would a gay athlete want to attend?"

Given that sexual orientation demographics show an approximate 3% of any given population as LGBT, why would the other 97% want to bother moving it? A tempest in a teapot.

According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

JEWS IN PREWAR GERMANY

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I have a dream.

That one day the United States of America will use its powers for good. Put selfless action behind the words it preaches "freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and step out onto the global stage with a message which promotes that equality is no longer a variable, but an absolute.

The Olympics presents a rather benign opportunity to lead where others dare not go.

 

[thereisnospoon]

More and more people and organizations are calling upon the IOC to move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia due to Russia's new laws on Homosexuality.

George Takei petitions: ?Move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia? ? MSNBC

Stephen Fry: Move Olympics from anti-gay Russia | News.com.au

What do you think, considering that there are most likely gay athletes and spectators and Russia has threatened to arrest, detain, then deport anyone who even appears to support gays in any way.

It should be moved - why would a gay athlete want to attend?

Yep..Just call in the moving trucks. Real simple.
Look, this is nothing new. Russia's and many other nations and cultures have a different view of sexual orientation, culture, race, etc. If those factors were of vital importance in awarding Olympic events to a particular location, there would be objections to those locations during the bidding process.

 

[Kondor3]

"...It should be moved - why would a gay athlete want to attend?"

Given that sexual orientation demographics show an approximate 3% of any given population as LGBT, why would the other 97% want to bother moving it? A tempest in a teapot.

According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

JEWS IN PREWAR GERMANY

Wake me up when the Russians start rounding-up Gays and shipping trainloads of them off to death-camps.

Drama Queens... the world is full of Drama Queens.

 

[Kondor3]

I have a dream.

That one day the United States of America will use its powers for good. Put selfless action behind the words it preaches "freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and step out onto the global stage with a message which promotes that equality is no longer a variable, but an absolute.

The Olympics presents a rather benign opportunity to lead where others dare not go.

Russia still has a vast nuclear arsenal; at least as large as ours, and they are, by land-mass, the largest country in the world, with a huge population, vast natural resources, the potential for a dynamic and key world economy, and a reputation as a tradition-preserving and courageous people.

I can't imagine why we should further jeopardize already-strained relations with a country which would rather maintain friendly relations with us rather than resurrect old adversarial sentiments; certainly not over some pissant issue like this.

Russia has chosen to pass laws unfavorable to Gays.

In the not-too-distant past, the United States has passed laws unfavorable to Gays.

So has damned-near every other country throughout much of the civilized world.

It is only in the past half-decade to a decade that substantive Gay-favorable laws have begun surfacing within that domain.

Any sort of substantive change in societal attitudes towards Gays is going to take a very, very long time.

But, that's not good enough for Gays, who, I believe, are being highly unrealistic about timeframes and inclusiveness of nation-state legal processes, not to mention being so gorged and over-stuffed with recent legal victories in The West and so arrogant and delusional as to believe that they are the Center of the Universe for the vastly larger Straight Population of the nation, and the world, and that the world should snap to attention and put itself at their command, whenever something surfaces that does not work for them.

Not good enough?

Tough shit.

The changes (in societal attitudes) sought by Gays are going to require decades, if, indeed, they can ever be accomplished.

A great many Straight Folk think the Attractions and Behaviors and Practices and Outward and Public Manifestations associated with homosexuality are freakish and sinful and unnatural and perverse and dirty and creepy and repulsive as hell.

You can't legislate-away how people feel about such things.

Some nation-states merely manifest that revulsion in different ways than others.

Or at a different pace.

IMO...

This is a non-issue - an artificial construct and complete-and-total bullshit...

And the Olympics should stay right where they are...

But that's just me...

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I have a dream.

That one day the United States of America will use its powers for good. Put selfless action behind the words it preaches "freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and step out onto the global stage with a message which promotes that equality is no longer a variable, but an absolute.

The Olympics presents a rather benign opportunity to lead where others dare not go.

Russia still has a vast nuclear arsenal; at least as large as ours, and they are, by land-mass, the largest country in the world.

Russia has chosen to pass laws unfavorable to Gays.

In the not-too-distant past, the United States has passed laws unfavorable to Gays.

So has damned-near every other country throughout much of the civilized world.

It is only in the past half-decade to a decade that substantive Gay-favorable laws have begun surfacing within that domain.

Any sort of softening of societal attitudes towards Gays is going to take a very, very long time.

But, that's not good enough for Gays, who, I believe, are being highly unrealistic about timeframes and inclusiveness of nation-state legal processes.

Tough shit.

It's gonna take a few decades.

A great many Straight Folk think the Attractions and Behaviors and Practices and Outward and Public Manifestations are freakish and sinful and unnatural and perverse and dirty and creepy and repulsive as hell.

You can't legislate-away how people feel about such things.

Some nation-states merely manifest that revulsion in different ways than others.

Or at a different pace.

IMO, this is a non-issue - an artificial construct and complete-and-total bullshit - and the Olympics should stay right where they are.

Has been in action for decades, its time has come. This is not about promoting gay lifestyle, its about the USA saying to the world that we are who we say we are...FREE.

And no you can not legislate emotions, but you can legislate against people who deny others equal rights because of their emotional opinions.

Equally free to all, not just those who think like me.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Has been in action for decades..."

But not in Russia; they just had another 1776-style moment back in 1991; that's only 22 years ago, and they've got a lot more important things on their minds than the Gays.

"...its time has come..."

For much of The West - perhaps - with varying degrees of success and inclusiveness.

But just because its 'time has come' HERE does NOT mean that its 'time has come' THERE.

Rather arrogant and presumptuous of us, methinks.

"...its about the USA saying to the world that we are who we say we are...FREE..."

We have been 'free' since 1776.

We have simply had harsher attitudes in times past about what is broadly perceived to be unnatural perversion, openly flaunted.

"...And no you can not legislate emotions, but you can legislate against people who deny others equal rights because of their emotional opinions..."

Quite true.

Right up to the time when a more Conservative regime finds the legal means to reverse the present spate of pro-Gay legislation.

I'm guessing that if such a reversal ever gains momentum, government will probably pitch it not as an infraction or reversal of equal rights, but as a reassessment and set of corrective measures designed to suppress unnatural and aberrant behaviors and practices which are detrimental to society.

"...Equally free to all, not just those who think like me."

Indeed. The ultimate benchmark for Liberty. You are free to think whatever and however you like.

But, when following your thoughts, your behaviors are deemed detrimental to society, such behaviors are oftentimes de-legitimized, and, sometimes, oscillate between acceptable and unacceptable, or legal and illegal, every couple of decades.

Rather like the open-ended abortion scenario, which is now seeing the noose being drawn tight about its neck once again, after a few decades, State by State.

Society at large tends to correct the mistakes of government and the law, by changing the law when society at large disapproves of it strongly enough. The Gay issue may prove to be one such scenario. Or not. Time will tell us that story.

And, if things are in such a state of flux here, and throughout much of The West, the lion's share of the population of The West is not going to get overly excited about Gay Rights in Russia nor inclined to piss 'em off and either boycott the Olympics nor insist upon moving them.

Ain't gonna happen.

Gaaarrrr---rrrroonnnn---teeeeedd .

 

[novasteve]

Every last prancing libmo should go to gaza and have a gay pride parade with their jihadist darlings. Ever last libmo

 

[Katzndogz]

More and more people and organizations are calling upon the IOC to move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia due to Russia's new laws on Homosexuality.

George Takei petitions: ?Move the 2014 Winter Olympics out of Russia? ? MSNBC

Stephen Fry: Move Olympics from anti-gay Russia | News.com.au

What do you think, considering that there are most likely gay athletes and spectators and Russia has threatened to arrest, detain, then deport anyone who even appears to support gays in any way.

It should be moved - why would a gay athlete want to attend?

Why would anyone care whether a gay athlete wants to attend?

No one cares. Not even the Russians. The law is against propagandizing not being gay.

 

[Unkotare]

Homophobia in Russia pales in comparison to the degree of racism there. If there is going to be some sort of 'tolerance' litmus test you'll end up with an Olympics involving half a dozen people or so.

Not that it matters. The Olympics has sunk all the way into irrelevancy (at best).

 

[Kondor3]

"...No one cares. Not even the Russians. The law is against propagandizing not being gay."

An important distinction.

They still prefer theirs in the closet.

No big deal.

 

[Spoonman]

The last time I looked russia didn't have a constitution and bill of rights like we do protecting the rights of it's citizens. Something we should really keep in mind as we let our government slowly chip away at our rights and give them a pass just because they happen to be a member of the party of our choice.

 

[Katzndogz]

Russia evidently protects religious rights and we don't.

 

[bodecea]

Russia evidently protects religious rights and we don't.

So..you admit that "religious rights" include the right to persecute and arrest gays.

 

[Seawytch]

Given that sexual orientation demographics show an approximate 3% of any given population as LGBT, why would the other 97% want to bother moving it? A tempest in a teapot.

According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

JEWS IN PREWAR GERMANY

Wake me up when the Russians start rounding-up Gays and shipping trainloads of them off to death-camps.

Drama Queens... the world is full of Drama Queens.

It started with Jews (and gays and gypsies) just like this in Germany. Police are looking the other way as vigilantes round up, beat and torture gays.

 

[bodecea]

According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

JEWS IN PREWAR GERMANY

Wake me up when the Russians start rounding-up Gays and shipping trainloads of them off to death-camps.

Drama Queens... the world is full of Drama Queens.

It started with Jews (and gays and gypsies) just like this in Germany. Police are looking the other way as vigilantes round up, beat and torture gays.

People forget that the Nazis didn't take over one day in 1933 and start shipping Jews and others to the Death Camps the next day. Every move they made, they paused to see what world opinion would be about it....just like their grabbing bits and pieces of Europe....waiting each time to see if someone was going to do something about it.

 

[dilloduck]

Wake me up when the Russians start rounding-up Gays and shipping trainloads of them off to death-camps.

Drama Queens... the world is full of Drama Queens.

It started with Jews (and gays and gypsies) just like this in Germany. Police are looking the other way as vigilantes round up, beat and torture gays.

People forget that the Nazis didn't take over one day in 1933 and start shipping Jews and others to the Death Camps the next day. Every move they made, they paused to see what world opinion would be about it....just like their grabbing bits and pieces of Europe....waiting each time to see if someone was going to do something about it.

And when the rest of the world refused to take jews in, the final solution was developed.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Who cares?

Let some gay athlete beat a Russian athlete and then rub it in their faces.

Kinda like when Jesse Owens crushed the Hitler Aryan athletes.

 

[Katzndogz]

Russia evidently protects religious rights and we don't.

So..you admit that "religious rights" include the right to persecute and arrest gays.

That's not even an issue.

The law is against propagandizing and street demonstrating. No one is arresting or persecuting gays.

Russia knows what's happening in the United States. They don't want people of religious principles persecuted in Russia.