Bush hands Obama the presidency... (stops offshore drilling ban)

[Ravi]

Either you aren't reading or your just flat out lying, which is it?
American Solutions - RAND: U.S. Oil Shale Resources Are Three Times Larger Than the Current Oil Reserves in Saudi Arabia
The same RAND study indicated that technology exists today that would allow oil shale extraction and that the process would be cost effective once the price of a barrel of oil was $95 (p. x). The price of a barrel of oil today is around $130.

However, Shell Oil has been investing in technology that would make extraction much cheaper than standard pit mining:

Shell Oil Company has successfully conducted small-scale field tests of an insitu process based on slow underground heating via thermal conduction. Larger scale operations are required to establish technical viability, especially with regard to avoiding adverse impacts on groundwater quality. Shell anticipates that, in contrast to the cost estimates for mining and surface retorting, the petroleum products produced by their thermally conductive in-situ method will be competitive at crude oil prices in the mid-$20s per barrel.

I meant your previous one, the one from NPR the other day. If that wasn't you, I apologize.

 

[Ravi]

Because she don't want it o be true... it would go against her blindfolded political stances

I don't care if we screw Utah up, but I imagine people in Utah might care.

 

[CharlestonChad]

yes it does, but go ahead and keep claiming it does not, I wont stop you.

What is the time frame for the first drop to hit the market, and what rate of extraction will we see? I've heard ANWR, if opened up now, could first hit the market in 7 years, but maybe it's different off of florida.

 

[AllieBaba]

Nobody has shown it is not true, Oh you may think you have, but clearly you have not IMO. There is no way 800 billion barrels of oil coming on line could not lower prices. It is simple supply and Demand economics.

Truth is apparently in the eye of the beholder.

 

[jreeves]

I meant your previous one, the one from NPR the other day. If that wasn't you, I apologize.

No, it was me.

Bhattacharya figures the company can produce oil for about $33 a barrel in the early days, and that, over time, production costs will fall to less than $20 a barrel.

Squeezing Oil Out of Stones in the Rocky Mountains : NPR

 

[jreeves]

What is the time frame for the first drop to hit the market, and what rate of extraction will we see? I've heard ANWR, if opened up now, could first hit the market in 7 years, but maybe it's different off of florida.

Most commerical drilling companies could extract oil from offshore rigs in as little time as 2 or 3 years.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Cool. Do you have a link I could check out?

 

[Jeepers]

Can you cite for me the last time there was an oil spill directly attibuted to oil drilling? Don't you think that transporting the oil from around the globe is more prone to oil spills than piping it in off the coast of Florida? Refineries isn't part of the drilling process, that happens after the crude is extracted. It will hurt Florida's tourism if they drill 100 miles off of shore, are you serious?

Katrina induced oil spills. Note the last paragraph comment about hurricane Ivan causing platform spills...
44 oil spills found in southeast Louisiana - Hurricanes Archive Section - MSNBC.com
Oil Spills - Hurricane Katrina photos of oil, petroleum, and other toxic spills.

NEW YORK (September 15, 2005) -- Nearly six million gallons of oil pouring out of seven pipelines and coastal storage tanks ruptured by Hurricane Katrina amount to one of the largest U.S. oil spills in history. Yet despite this disaster-within-a-disaster, lawmakers in Washington are saying we should open up vast new areas of our nation's shoreline to more coastal oil drilling, according to the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC).

NRDC Press Archive: As Katrina Oil Spills Mount, Congress Calls for More Coastal Drilling
Oil platform leak pics... cant confirm since this administration dismisses the offshore leak accounts...

Offshore oil
As for oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, Paskewich said the Coast Guard has fielded no reports of offshore spills there, though leaks could spring when the thousands of oil platforms and hundreds of miles of pipeline are restarted. Last year, Hurricane Ivan was responsible for oil spills in the Gulf, he said.

Paskewich dismissed suggestions by an environmental advocacy group that satellite photos showed some 7,000 square miles of oil floating in the Gulf, saying numerous flyovers revealed only minor sheening.

Skytruth, a group that uses satellite imagery to track environmental damage, says extensive oil slicks are visible in areas of the Gulf raked by hurricane-force winds.

“Daily overflights are being conducted to find the real truth of what’s going on,” Paskewich told Reuters. “As for now, I am confident that we have not received any reports of significant oil spills offshore.”

http://skytruth.mediatools.org/node/12828
SkyTruth: Hurricane Katrina - Gulf of Mexico Oil Spills

20 miles of spaghetti..
Gulf Rigs and Refineries Face Cleanup : NPR

Interesting.. why is information lacking about exact spill amounts.... hmm...

No public announcement was made about the oil spill near Venice. Officials said there is no requirement to notify the public about an oil spill.

In waters near Louisiana's coast, all near Venice, four oil spills were being worked, Guidry said. He said there was no estimate how much oil leaked out.

"That oil is floating around all over there and everyone is picking it up," he said.

Ivan Causes Oil Pipeline Leaks in Gulf (washingtonpost.com)

Now I have sailed and fished all over Florida.. some of the most amazing reefs that Ive ever seen are right off the southern coast. Some of the best bone and tarpon fishing are in the southern gulf shallows not to mention billions are already being spend to revitalize the everglades. With the number of Huricannes that hit or pass through Florida, do you really think the risk is worth it....

Speaking of the Ivan spill...

Coast Guard marine safety personnel are investigating a report of a spill of 130,000 gallons of crude oil from a fuel tank located on a fixed platform and pipeline located 25 miles northeast of the Southwest Pass in the Gulf of Mexico.

Ivan the Terrible Blows Away Lives, Properties

 

[jreeves]

Katrina induced oil spills. Note the last paragraph comment about hurricane Ivan causing platform spills...
44 oil spills found in southeast Louisiana - Hurricanes Archive Section - MSNBC.com
Oil Spills - Hurricane Katrina photos of oil, petroleum, and other toxic spills.


NRDC Press Archive: As Katrina Oil Spills Mount, Congress Calls for More Coastal Drilling
Oil platform leak pics... cant confirm since this administration dismisses the offshore leak accounts...
http://skytruth.mediatools.org/node/12828
SkyTruth: Hurricane Katrina - Gulf of Mexico Oil Spills

20 miles of spaghetti..
Gulf Rigs and Refineries Face Cleanup : NPR

Interesting.. why is information lacking about exact spill amounts.... hmm... Ivan Causes Oil Pipeline Leaks in Gulf (washingtonpost.com)

Now I have sailed and fished all over Florida.. some of the most amazing reefs that Ive ever seen are right off the southern coast. Some of the best bone and tarpon fishing are in the southern gulf shallows not to mention billions are already being spend to revitalize the everglades. With the number of Huricannes that hit or pass through Florida, do you really think the risk is worth it....

Speaking of the Ivan spill...
Ivan the Terrible Blows Away Lives, Properties

The Absurd Report Welcome to our World: John McCain
And for the notion that drilling adds to the potential of oil spills… you have two choices if you don’t drill then you must import oil by sea and the potential of an oil spill by tankers is much greater than from drilling.

Besides, there hasn’t been a major oil spill in the United States in the past 25 years and this can be directly attributed to new technology and advancements in off shore drilling. Remember Hurricane Katrina that hit hundreds of off shore drilling rigs in the Gulf, not a drop was spilled. But let’s not let facts get into the way of political agendas.

But the actual subsea wells tied to the wrecked platforms suffered no significant leaks. The biggest spills were from onshore storage and a barge accident after the storms.

"Not only did we not have any significant environmental spills associated with wells from those two hurricanes," said Tim Sampson, manager of exploration and production with the American Petroleum Institute. "But we also had no accidents or injuries associated with the evacuation of all the offshore personnel."

Despite fears that new offshore drilling risks an environmental disaster, the U.S. industry has had a strong record for decades.

Despite Spill Fears,Offshore Drilling Has Clean Record - Yahoo! News



Do you think you could cite some sources other than enviromental orgs?

 

[DiamondDave]

You got to love this from the Yahoo news article

"Once again, the oilman in the White House is echoing the demands of Big Oil," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "The Bush plan is a hoax. It will neither reduce gas prices nor increase energy independence. It just gives millions more acres to the same companies that are sitting on nearly 68 million acres of public lands and coastal areas."

Bush trumps Congress; Moves first on drilling - Yahoo! News

Nazi Pelosi's attempt at trickery once again. A common myth put forward by the wicked witch of the west and enviro-nazis is that the Big Bad oil Companies are already sitting on all this acreage that they simply don't drill and get the oil out of. When the fact is that if there were cost effective deposits of oil on the already set aside land, the oil companies would have been drilling. Making more money.

Pelosi needs to shut the hell up, once again

 

[Ravi]

You got to love this from the Yahoo news article

Bush trumps Congress; Moves first on drilling - Yahoo! News

Nazi Pelosi's attempt at trickery once again. A common myth put forward by the wicked witch of the west and enviro-nazis is that the Big Bad oil Companies are already sitting on all this acreage that they simply don't drill and get the oil out of. When the fact is that if there were cost effective deposits of oil on the already set aside land, the oil companies would have been drilling. Making more money.

Pelosi needs to shut the hell up, once again

Nah, they just want to have to control for when there actually is an oil shortage. They aren't drilling now because they know they'll be wasting money.

 

[jreeves]

You got to love this from the Yahoo news article

Bush trumps Congress; Moves first on drilling - Yahoo! News

Nazi Pelosi's attempt at trickery once again. A common myth put forward by the wicked witch of the west and enviro-nazis is that the Big Bad oil Companies are already sitting on all this acreage that they simply don't drill and get the oil out of. When the fact is that if there were cost effective deposits of oil on the already set aside land, the oil companies would have been drilling. Making more money.

Pelosi needs to shut the hell up, once again

It's reported that 4 out of 5 leases that held by oil companies doesn't contain enough oil for commerical drilling.....

 

[DiamondDave]

It's reported that 4 out of 5 leases that held by oil companies doesn't contain enough oil for commerical drilling.....

yet ones like Nazi Pelosi and ravi keep up with their myths....

 

[Jeepers]

...not a drop was spilled...

Now what exactly is your definition of a drop... cause I just posted some things that I consider drops..

Oh.. btw.. companies arent required to report offshore leaks.. and there may have been a 7,000 square mile sheen of oil or it could hve been nothing more than a teensy tiny widdle slick...

 

[jreeves]

Now what exactly is your definition of a drop... cause I just posted some things that I consider drops..

Oh.. btw.. companies arent required to report offshore leaks.. and there may have been a 7,000 square mile sheen of oil or it could hve been nothing more than a teensy tiny widdle slick...

LOL....So you think it's safer to ship oil around the world in tankers?

 

[Jeepers]

It's reported that 4 out of 5 leases that held by oil companies doesn't contain enough oil for commerical drilling.....

Reported by whom.. or is that who..

 

[Jeepers]

LOL....So you think it's safer to ship oil around the world in tankers?

Sure unless.. they is drivin ships through cat 5 hurricannes...

 

[jreeves]

Reported by whom.. or is that who..

The U.S. Minerals Management Service notes that only one of three wells results in a discovery of oil that can be recovered economically. In deeper water, it's one of five. All this involves huge risks, capital investment – and time.
Obama's Dry Hole - WSJ.com

 

[jreeves]

Sure unless.. they is drivin ships through cat 5 hurricannes...

yep they were drivin through cat 5 hurricane....
Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989. It is considered one of the most devastating man-made environmental disasters ever to occur at sea. As significant as the Exxon Valdez spill was, it ranks well down on the list of the world's largest oil spills in terms of volume released.[1] However, Prince William Sound's remote location (accessible only by helicopter and boat) made government and industry response efforts difficult and severely taxed existing plans for response. The region was a habitat for salmon, sea otters, seals, and seabirds. The vessel spilled 10.8 million U.S. gallons (40.9×103 m3 or 9.0×106 imp gal) of Prudhoe Bay crude oil into the sea, and the oil eventually covered 11,000 square miles (28,000 km²) of ocean.[2]

The oil tanker Exxon Valdez departed the Valdez oil terminal in Alaska at 9:12 pm on March 23, 1989 bound for Washington. A harbor pilot guided the ship through the Valdez Narrows before departing the ship and returning control to Joseph Hazelwood, the ship's master. The ship maneuvered out of the shipping lane to avoid icebergs. Following the maneuver and sometime after 11 pm, Hazelwood departed the wheel house and was in his stateroom at the time of the accident. He left Third Mate Gregory Cousins in charge of the wheel house and Able Seaman Robert Kagan at the helm with instructions to return to the shipping lane at a prearranged point. Exxon Valdez failed to return to the shipping lanes and struck Bligh Reef at around 12:04 am March 24, 1989.[2]


Beginning three days after the vessel grounded, a storm pushed large quantities of fresh oil onto the rocky shores of many of the beaches in the Knight Island chain. In this photograph, pooled oil is shown stranded in the rocks.According to official reports, the ship was carrying 53.1 million U.S. gallons (201×103 m3) of oil, of which 10.8 million U.S.gallons[3] were spilled into the Prince William Sound.[4] This figure has become the consensus estimate of the spill's volume, as it has been accepted by the State of Alaska's Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council,[2] the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,[1] and environmental groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club.[5][6] Some groups, such as Defenders of Wildlife, dispute the official estimates, maintaining that the volume of the spill has been underreported.[7]

 

[Jeepers]

yep they were drivin through cat 5 hurricane....

omg.. I'm never going to drive again .. I just read this article..

Drivers recovering after Sunday's Folly Road wreck; both to be charged with felony DUI
By Noah Haglund (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Monday, July 14, 2008



JAMES ISLAND — The Charleston County Sheriff's Office planned to charge both drivers involved in Sunday night's head-on collision on Folly Road with felony driving under the influence, the agency reported today.

The wreck near Grimball Road Extension around 10:30 p.m. left both drivers with non-life-threatening injuries, sheriff's Maj. John Clark wrote in a release.

The drivers were trapped in their respective vehicles. The Sheriff's Office identified them as Gary L. Denaux, 35, and Ulysses J. Moore, 71, both of Charleston. It was not immediately known when they were expected to appear for a bail hearing.

Denaux had a broken nose, several broken teeth and minor bruises, Clark wrote in the release. Moore was kept for observation due to his age, Clark wrote. MUSC had no information to release on the patients.

stupid dumbass...