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[Bosun]

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

freedom of religion, not freedom from religions... ask unbelievers and apostates what it is like living in muslim countries..

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

Really... that's your issue? A manger scene? I mean, granted, it's not as sexy as stoning gays and rape victims to death.... but come on.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

What makes more sense? Taking the position seriously of islam taking over american government and society or taking the story of Santa Claus seriously?

you tell me....

Ask one o' the other folks in your herd.....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

OMG Muslims!!!! They are coming!!!!

Shut the fuck up

Are you an idiot in real life, or do you just play one on USMB?

 

[bodecea]

In a newly surfaced video of a 2000 speech to the Islamic Society of North America, Council on American-Islamic Relations Executive Director Nihad Awad told his Muslim audience: "Muslims in America are in the best position to show Islam and to show action and to show vision – not only for a Muslim school, how it should be run, but for an entire society, how it should be run. Who better can lead America than Muslims?"

The Justice Department named both ISNA and CAIR unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal scheme to funnel millions of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers and their families.

In the same speech, "Participating in Public Affairs: Strategies for the Year 2000," Awad encouraged Muslim-Americans to be more assertive with U.S. politicians.

"They should be a servant to our issues," he said. "We should be respected."

Specifically, Awad advised that Muslim-Americans demand politicians include in their national speeches and party platforms that America is also an "Islamic society."

"This is no longer a Christian-Judeo society," Awad maintained. "It is a Christian-Judeo-and-Islamic society."


Read more: CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed

Yeah...good luck with that, CAIR.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You are saying they are not when it comes to agenda????

I am not sayin anything, just trying to figure out what you are sayin

I am still waiting for an answer as to why this thread is in a "POLITICS" message board...

The Mods, here, do seem to take certain liberties....

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[Bosun]

What makes more sense? Taking the position seriously of islam taking over american government and society or taking the story of Santa Claus seriously?

you tell me....

Ask one o' the other folks in your herd.....

if you really knew.....

 

[bodecea]

OK? so?

so, what do you think of that?

Americans give up booze and bacon?


Not bloody likely.

 

[bodecea]

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....

i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

What does HIS faith have to do with this?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

What does HIS faith have to do with this?

I think his lack thereof is the issue.

 

[GHook93]

OK? so?

so, what do you think of that?

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

Which agendas. The gay marriage one? Islamist don't even allow gays to live, let alone marry. Abortion? More than just Christians are against this. You will say abortion doctors getting attacked. So few getting attacked that it a red herring to argue it!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Wow. 200+ years and finally the "idea that is America" is being exercised.

This country shouldn't be a Christian nation. Nor a Muslim nation. Nor a Jewish nation. The idea is that ALL faiths and non-faiths should be allowed to co-exist. As the people of the country change and vote ideas in or out...the country changes. That's not to say all laws are relative and mutable (there are ordering principles that should never change - unless by Constitutional amendment), but that the government is a reflection of the people.

Sorry, Christianity. There are going to be other faiths in this country. You shouldn't have a problem with that.

....Especially when you consider....Islam came-over with a lot of our imported-labor.....LONG-before the 20th Century rush on Ellis Island!!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUk9UykY174]YouTube - Islam in America: Islamic Stars & Stripes - 26 Oct 08 - Pt 1[/ame]​

 

[Sallow]

so, what do you think of that?

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

CAIR is a political organization that is lobbying for Islamic political reform to become the dominant culture in America.... Do you think that they (CAIR) will succeed?

Not anymore then the Christian Coalition succeeded.

 

[Dr.Drock]

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

freedom of religion, not freedom from religions... ask unbelievers and apostates what it is like living in muslim countries..

Bosun, Soggy, I don't compare the US gov't to other countries. I compare the current US gov't to the Constitution and what it should be. I don't lower my expectations because of other countries.

And wanting mangers on government property still shows you want religion in government. You want the US government to promote and celebrate christianity.

Has there ever been a religion thought up by man that didn't want everyone to have that same religion?

Everyone wants their version of religion to "dominate." That's why I'm thankful I don't have one.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

In a newly surfaced video of a 2000 speech to the Islamic Society of North America, Council on American-Islamic Relations Executive Director Nihad Awad told his Muslim audience: "Muslims in America are in the best position to show Islam and to show action and to show vision – not only for a Muslim school, how it should be run, but for an entire society, how it should be run. Who better can lead America than Muslims?"

The Justice Department named both ISNA and CAIR unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal scheme to funnel millions of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers and their families.

In the same speech, "Participating in Public Affairs: Strategies for the Year 2000," Awad encouraged Muslim-Americans to be more assertive with U.S. politicians.

"They should be a servant to our issues," he said. "We should be respected."

Specifically, Awad advised that Muslim-Americans demand politicians include in their national speeches and party platforms that America is also an "Islamic society."

"This is no longer a Christian-Judeo society," Awad maintained. "It is a Christian-Judeo-and-Islamic society."


Read more: CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

Ok who are these Christians trying to turn Muslim countries into Christian countries? anyone who tries to do such a thing is either thrown in prison or executed in Muslim countries.

....'Cause you say so, huh??

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[Mr. Shaman]

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

Ok who are these Christians trying to turn Muslim countries into Christian countries? anyone who tries to do such a thing is either thrown in prison or executed in Muslim countries.

No kidding look at Iraq, their christian population has vanished.

....'Cause you say so, huh??

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[Soggy in NOLA]

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

freedom of religion, not freedom from religions... ask unbelievers and apostates what it is like living in muslim countries..

Bosun, Soggy, I don't compare the US gov't to other countries. I compare the current US gov't to the Constitution and what it should be. I don't lower my expectations because of other countries.

And wanting mangers on government property still shows you want religion in government. You want the US government to promote and celebrate christianity.

Has there ever been a religion thought up by man that didn't want everyone to have that same religion?

Everyone wants their version of religion to "dominate." That's why I'm thankful I don't have one.

Mangers are covered by the U.S. Constitution?

Who knew?

 

[Bosun]

OK? so?

so, what do you think of that?

Americans give up booze and bacon?


Not bloody likely.

i dooo like my pulled pork sandwiches, that is for sure...

hold the beer....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Ok who are these Christians trying to turn Muslim countries into Christian countries? anyone who tries to do such a thing is either thrown in prison or executed in Muslim countries.

No kidding look at Iraq, their christian population has vanished.

Not just there, Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt and Iran also had large Christian populations that are now gone, I can assure you there are no Christians over in the Middle East trying to convert those countries to Christian government, they would be beheaded if they tried. Anyone who makes comments like that knows less than zero about how Muslim countries operate, freedom of religion is non fucking existant to them.

.....'Cause you say so, huh??

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[Bosun]

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

What does HIS faith have to do with this?

just askin, Bodecea.... lighten up...